Re: [music-dsp] Iterative decomposition of an arbitrary frequency response by biquad IIR

2014-03-04 Thread Uli Brueggemann
Thanks so far for the different proposals. I must admit that I do not have much skills with Matlab. And it seems the proposals require all steep learning curve. Maybe the problem I like to solve can be described with an example: Let's assume a series of two biquad peaking filters, first with

Re: [music-dsp] Iterative decomposition of an arbitrary frequency response by biquad IIR

2014-03-04 Thread João Felipe Santos
There is no simple method that I've ever heard of, but I think this problem is a good candidate to be solved as an optimization problem. I actually wrote some MATLAB scripts some time ago to design a filterbank based on a cascade of biquads without needing to use anything fancier than the fmincon

Re: [music-dsp] Iterative decomposition of an arbitrary frequency response by biquad IIR

2014-03-04 Thread robert bristow-johnson
On 3/4/14 9:37 AM, Theo Verelst wrote: Ross Bencina wrote: Since people are throwing out random suggestions, ... I have not made any random suggestions thus far. Undergrad univ. EEs can recognize easily (if they're a bit good and are in a proper eduction institute) what I've mentioned here.

Re: [music-dsp] Iterative decomposition of an arbitrary frequency response by biquad IIR

2014-03-04 Thread robert bristow-johnson
On 3/4/14 11:05 AM, Theo Verelst wrote: robert bristow-johnson wrote: On 3/4/14 9:37 AM, Theo Verelst wrote: Ross Bencina wrote: Since people are throwing out random suggestions, ... I have not made any random suggestions thus far. Undergrad univ. EEs can recognize easily (if they're a bit

Re: [music-dsp] Iterative decomposition of an arbitrary frequency response by biquad IIR

2014-03-04 Thread Uli Brueggemann
theo verelst wrote: I didn't get the part where the frequency response is a given, I mean, how is that given (and where does that come from). And if indeed a certain response is to be implemented as a digital filter, why does phase not matter, too ? Assume a frequency response of a speaker

Re: [music-dsp] Iterative decomposition of an arbitrary frequency response by biquad IIR

2014-03-04 Thread robert bristow-johnson
On 3/4/14 11:19 AM, Theo Verelst wrote: robert bristow-johnson wrote: You put probes in the ground, set of a bar of dynamite, and measure the seismic response. Then take a lot of assumptions, and try to invert those measurments into a soil sediment picture, as to find oil... still

Re: [music-dsp] music-dsp Digest, Vol 123, Issue 9

2014-03-04 Thread Uli Brueggemann
Hello Greg, I've unsuccessfully tried to find more about FDLS. Can you please give me a tip or even send me some info by PM? - Uli 2014-03-04 17:37 GMT+01:00 gjberc...@charter.net: On Tue, 04 Mar 2014 11:28:37 -0500, robert bristow-johnson wrote: as far as i know there is the prony method.

Re: [music-dsp] Negative PCA coefficients

2014-03-04 Thread Charles Z Henry
Negative coefficients are like a negative correlation. I say like, because PCA gives you vectors of associated variables along which the variance in the data is decomposed. That's not exactly the same as correlation. The other part to pay attention is the eigenvalues. The largest components

Re: [music-dsp] Negative PCA coefficients

2014-03-04 Thread Charles Z Henry
On Mar 4, 2014 1:16 AM, Linda Seltzer lselt...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: And when some components have very small absolute values does that mean they can be omitted in an image of the component? Linda Seltzer Small values should not be simply omitted. It's sort of an effect size

Re: [music-dsp] Iterative decomposition of an arbitrary frequency response by biquad IIR

2014-03-04 Thread Mike
Mike wrote: You could try pretending they're Gaussian shaped (and then translate the sigma to Q), What's they in the comparison, I mean are we talking Frequency Domain here, where a band filters characteristic pass band curve is to be replaced by a statistics integral ? Doesn't make much sense to

Re: [music-dsp] Iterative decomposition of an arbitrary frequency response by biquad IIR

2014-03-04 Thread Ethan Duni
Seems to me that you could just reformulate an EM algorithm to work directly on the actual (magnitude) responses of the biquad stages, and so bypass the step of converting from a Gaussian response to the actual biquad response (along with its attendant error). The only obvious wrinkle that occurs

Re: [music-dsp] music-dsp Digest, Vol 123, Issue 9

2014-03-04 Thread robert bristow-johnson
On 3/4/14 11:53 AM, Ethan Duni wrote: LDS, LSD... you do the math... ya. too much of the latter for me, i'm afraid. i've risked death on it. on my motorcycle in the '80s.

Re: [music-dsp] Iterative decomposition of an arbitrary frequency response by biquad IIR

2014-03-04 Thread Ross Bencina
On 5/03/2014 7:56 AM, Ethan Duni wrote: Seems like somebody somewhere should have already thought through the problem of matching a single biquad stage to an arbitrary frequency response - anybody? Pretty sure that the oft-cited Knud Bank Christensen paper does LMS fit of a biquad over an

Re: [music-dsp] Iterative decomposition of an arbitrary frequency response by biquad IIR

2014-03-04 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2014-03-05, Ross Bencina wrote: Pretty sure that the oft-cited Knud Bank Christensen paper does LMS fit of a biquad over an arbitrary sampled frequency response. If not, then Serra and the rest of the FOF folks did implementations where formants were implemented with fitted biquads.

Re: [music-dsp] Iterative decomposition of an arbitrary frequency response by biquad IIR

2014-03-04 Thread Ross Bencina
On 5/03/2014 2:27 PM, Sampo Syreeni wrote: Pretty sure that literature has to contain the relevant algorithms if used with just a single resonance. I never looked at rational function fitting, but this would be easy enough to try: http://www.mathworks.com.au/help/rf/rationalfit.html The

Re: [music-dsp] Introductory literature for loudspeaker predistortion

2014-03-04 Thread Jerry
On Mar 3, 2014, at 8:14 AM, Marco Lo Monaco marco.lomon...@teletu.it wrote: Hello jerry, Klippel is one of the most experienced in the field and I believe that looking thru his literature (papers) you will find a lot of inspiration. Yes, I thought to look at Klippel's web site, and indeed