Re: [music-dsp] a weird but salient, LTI-relevant question

2014-05-08 Thread Enr G
My two cents as a person in the field: the human hearing system is kind of an LTI... only at very low level processing. The consistency of measured signal (= perceiving the same signal the same way at all time as somebody wrote here) is present in the ear canal up to brainstem - inferior

Re: [music-dsp] a weird but salient, LTI-relevant question

2014-05-08 Thread Stefan Stenzel
As someone already pointed out, spend an evening to hack a website for this. Otherwise I just don’t feel like it’s worth the hassle, this is why-oh-why I don’t. Stefan On 08 May 2014, at 7:25 , Sampo Syreeni de...@iki.fi wrote: Yet why-oh-why doesn't anybody just pop up their Audacity and a

Re: [music-dsp] a weird but salient, LTI-relevant question

2014-05-08 Thread Richard Wentk
I'd recommend Intelligence by Jeff Hawkins for some thought-provoking insights into high-level perceptual processing in the brain. Richard On 8 May 2014, at 06:59, Enr G e.glerean@gmail.com wrote: My two cents as a person in the field: the human hearing system is kind of an LTI...

Re: [music-dsp] a weird but salient, LTI-relevant question

2014-05-08 Thread Olli Niemitalo
If there, by chance, happens to be a feature in the noise that catches the ear and creates a sort of (possibly first subconscious) memory, then the choo-choo effect will be more audible as that feature can be more easily recognized again, reinforcing the memory. I generated 10 seconds of Gaussian

Re: [music-dsp] a weird but salient, LTI-relevant question

2014-05-08 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2014-05-08, Olli Niemitalo wrote: Sampo's test should be carried out multiple times to gather statistics, and because repetition will aid in reinforcement of the memory, also the number of repetitions should be controlled or recorded. How about tap to the rhythm of it? Or, more to the

Re: [music-dsp] a weird but salient, LTI-relevant question

2014-05-08 Thread Risto Holopainen
It may be fine to think of the ear as doing a Fourier transform as a first, crude approximation. For a more accurate description however, some nonlinear effects would have to be considered. And some of this already happens in the ear. As for hearing being LTI, think about forward and backward

Re: [music-dsp] Correctable signal processing (to arrive at wire connection)

2014-05-08 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2014-05-08, Theo Verelst wrote: So give or take a few LSB errors, are digital filters like filters in the analog domain? Yes. So if we have N digital poles, can we create N digital zeros at the same frequencies, convolve those two filters and arrive at a digital wire ? Of course there

Re: [music-dsp] a weird but salient, LTI-relevant question

2014-05-08 Thread STEFFAN DIEDRICHSEN
Small correction: the correct name is MM5837, which is a 16 bit shiftregister device. It’s bad but can be replaced by the MM5437, a 23 bit device which can be clocked externally and has a much longer period. Steffan On 08 May 2014, at 07:35, STEFFAN DIEDRICHSEN sdiedrich...@me.com wrote:

Re: [music-dsp] a weird but salient, LTI-relevant question

2014-05-08 Thread STEFFAN DIEDRICHSEN
I bounced some 100 secs of noise taken from the test oscillator in Logic Pro. Loaded this in the IRU and did some cycling. My finding: There are portions in the noise, that allows me to go down to 2 seconds and it still sounded like straight (un-looped) noise. Other noise portions had

Re: [music-dsp] a weird but salient, LTI-relevant question

2014-05-08 Thread Diemo Schwarz
Does learning count as a non-linearity? Agus, T.R., Pressnitzer, D. (2013). The detection of repetitions in noise before and after perceptual learning. Journal of the Acoustical Society of America, 134(1), 464-473. http://lpp.psycho.univ-paris5.fr/abstract.php?id=3564

Re: [music-dsp] a weird but salient, LTI-relevant question

2014-05-08 Thread Charles Z Henry
On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 12:59 AM, Enr G e.glerean@gmail.com wrote: My two cents as a person in the field: the human hearing system is kind of an LTI... LTI is a very specific thing. It's not sort of, kind of, LTI--it's just either LTI or not. only at very low level processing. The

Re: [music-dsp] a weird but salient, LTI-relevant question

2014-05-08 Thread Ethan Duni
It would appear to me that the human hearing system is an LTI system. It doesn't react in a linear fashion to frequency or loudness, but it perceives the same signal the same way at all times, disregarding aging, hearing loss, etc. One of the easiest ways to see that hearing must be nonlinear is

Re: [music-dsp] a weird but salient, LTI-relevant question

2014-05-08 Thread Ethan Duni
the human hearing system is kind of an LTI... only at very low level processing. The consistency of measured signal (= perceiving the same signal the same way at all time as somebody wrote here) is present in the ear canal up to brainstem - inferior colliculus. My understanding is that there are

Re: [music-dsp] a weird but salient, LTI-relevant question

2014-05-08 Thread Theo Verelst
Having quickly browsed over this subject, think about it that it normally isn't needed to do more than be accurate enough when dealing with audio and the human hearing, unless you want to explicitly deal with Loudness Curve sensitivity, or exotic subjects like creating stereo images for

Re: [music-dsp] Correctable signal processing (to arrive at wire connection)

2014-05-08 Thread Ethan Duni
So in the digital sense, or in combination with the analog domain, is it reasonable to think about correctable operations, which as it were can be inverted, so that applying a digital signal transformation *and* it's converse, we end up with the same signal or something similar. I think you mean