Re: [music-dsp] Simulating Valve Amps

2014-06-17 Thread Nigel Redmon
On Jun 16, 2014, at 7:51 PM, robert bristow-johnson r...@audioimagination.com wrote: one thing that is hard to replicate is a sample rate that is infinity (which is how i understand continuous-time signals to be). but i don't think you should need to have such a high sample rate. one thing

Re: [music-dsp] Simulating Valve Amps

2014-06-17 Thread Aengus Martin
Hi, I've only the vaguest idea of this area but I do find it interesting. From what you said, Nigel, aliasing is the main issue. Is it the case then that amp modeling would be more or less a solved problem if you could sample at arbitrarily high rates? Cheers, Aengus. On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at

Re: [music-dsp] Simulating Valve Amps

2014-06-17 Thread Thomaz Oliveira
I'm aquainted to DSP and analogue electronics and have played a lot of guitar over the last 18 years.. I still think there is nothing like the sound of a good old valve amp.. On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Thomaz Oliveira thomazcha...@gmail.com wrote: I have made some simulations of valve

Re: [music-dsp] Simulating Valve Amps

2014-06-17 Thread Thomaz Oliveira
I have made some simulations of valve amps.. I have writen some articles and a PHD thesis on why these amps are so hard to model... I'm sending you the link of one article on this topic: if you have any questions about simulation of valve amps please contact me. here is the link:

Re: [music-dsp] Simulating Valve Amps

2014-06-17 Thread robert bristow-johnson
On 6/17/14 9:15 AM, Thomaz Oliveira wrote: I'm aquainted to DSP and analogue electronics and have played a lot of guitar over the last 18 years.. I still think there is nothing like the sound of a good old valve amp.. as are the analog mini-moogs as such from the day. as are a bunch of

Re: [music-dsp] Simulating Valve Amps

2014-06-17 Thread robert bristow-johnson
On 6/17/14 5:30 AM, Nigel Redmon wrote: Well…yes, aliasing is the main issue that separates the digital world from analog when it comes to amp modeling, but no, I don’t think it’s the main issue in simulating a good amp :-) There are a lot of details in simulating classic amps—the controls of

Re: [music-dsp] Simulating Valve Amps

2014-06-17 Thread robert bristow-johnson
On 6/17/14 12:41 PM, ro...@khitchdee.com wrote: You should be able to take one that sounds sweet, model its parameters based on theory then scope it and measure stuff to calibrate. exactly. and the way i would scope it would be dig out 8 or more channels of Pro Tools (or whatever

Re: [music-dsp] Simulating Valve Amps

2014-06-17 Thread rohit
If you had measurement mics with flat response and access to a local music studio, you should be able to scope the box also. Sent from my Samsung Corby -- dupswapdrop -- the music-dsp mailing list and website: subscription info, FAQ, source code archive, list archive, book reviews, dsp links

Re: [music-dsp] Simulating Valve Amps

2014-06-17 Thread robert bristow-johnson
On 6/17/14 12:57 PM, Nigel Redmon wrote: On Jun 17, 2014, at 9:09 AM, robert bristow-johnsonr...@audioimagination.com wrote: On 6/17/14 5:30 AM, Nigel Redmon wrote: ... Anyway, just keep in mind that the particular classic amps don’t sound better simply because they are analog. They

Re: [music-dsp] Simulating Valve Amps

2014-06-17 Thread robert bristow-johnson
On 6/17/14 1:38 PM, ro...@khitchdee.com wrote: If you had measurement mics with flat response and access to a local music studio, you should be able to scope the box also sure, but with all those goofy non-linear and non-memoryless functions going on inside the box, it's really a bitch to

Re: [music-dsp] Simulating Valve Amps

2014-06-17 Thread rohit
If you modelled the system for all cases, that would make your task much more complicated. It would be much simpler to model sweet spots. Perhaps fix the guitar that sends in inputs. Narrow the range of the amps and the EQs. Even tune to playing styles of guitarists. All these steps help

Re: [music-dsp] Simulating Valve Amps

2014-06-17 Thread Jay
Looks interesting. I wonder how symbolic regression is substantially different from genetic programming. And speaking of modeling by way of function approximation, I've often wondered why I have such a difficult time finding anything on the topic of oversampling in the context of neural networks

Re: [music-dsp] Simulating Valve Amps

2014-06-17 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2014-06-17, robert bristow-johnson wrote: And the cabinets are a huge part of the sound. *that*, and the loudspeakers themselves, is the hardest part, no? it's all three: 1. salient (so you can't ignore it), 2. non-linear, and 3. non-memoryless. From what (very little!) I know of

Re: [music-dsp] Simulating Valve Amps

2014-06-17 Thread Nigel Redmon
This is getting…nesty... On Jun 17, 2014, at 10:42 AM, robert bristow-johnson r...@audioimagination.com wrote: On 6/17/14 12:57 PM, Nigel Redmon wrote: On Jun 17, 2014, at 9:09 AM, robert bristow-johnsonr...@audioimagination.com wrote: On 6/17/14 5:30 AM, Nigel Redmon wrote: ...

Re: [music-dsp] Simulating Valve Amps

2014-06-17 Thread robert bristow-johnson
On 6/17/14 3:30 PM, Nigel Redmon wrote: This is getting…nesty... yah 'vell, vot 'r ya gonna do? :-) On Jun 17, 2014, at 10:42 AM, robert bristow-johnsonr...@audioimagination.com wrote: On 6/17/14 12:57 PM, Nigel Redmon wrote: On Jun 17, 2014, at 9:09 AM, robert

Re: [music-dsp] Simulating Valve Amps

2014-06-17 Thread Nigel Redmon
(Thinking outside the nest…) (...maybe that means opening up the LPF as the gain knob setting is reduced) Yes And good discussion elsewhere in there, thanks Robert. On Jun 17, 2014, at 4:07 PM, robert bristow-johnson r...@audioimagination.com wrote: On 6/17/14 3:30 PM, Nigel Redmon wrote:

Re: [music-dsp] Simulating Valve Amps

2014-06-17 Thread robert bristow-johnson
On 6/17/14 8:24 PM, Nigel Redmon wrote: (Thinking outside the nest…) (...maybe that means opening up the LPF as the gain knob setting is reduced) Yes And good discussion elsewhere in there, thanks Robert. yer welcome, i guess. you may be thinking outside the nest; i'm just thinking out