Re: [music-dsp] [OT] vinyl? No, thanks...

2010-11-28 Thread Ross Bencina
Andrew Reilly wrote: On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 05:56:17PM +0100, Rainer Buchty wrote: On Mon, 22 Nov 2010, Stephen Sinclair wrote: >("Vinyl just sounds.. different.. better.. but I couldn't tell you >why.") Jumping on this (being a long-time lurker on this list), I never believed the above state

Re: [music-dsp] [OT] vinyl? No, thanks...

2010-11-28 Thread Andrew Reilly
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 05:56:17PM +0100, Rainer Buchty wrote: > On Mon, 22 Nov 2010, Stephen Sinclair wrote: > > >("Vinyl just sounds.. different.. better.. but I couldn't tell you > >why.") > > Jumping on this (being a long-time lurker on this list), I never > believed the above statement unt

Re: [music-dsp] [OT] vinyl? No, thanks...

2010-11-28 Thread Nigel Redmon
OK, my previously reply sounds snide--I didn't mean it that way. It's just that you apparently got the impression ("do you really think...") that I thought something that no one in his right mind would think. So, I thought you should maybe think about it more. The Fairlight CMI sounded "good".

Re: [music-dsp] [OT] vinyl? No, thanks...

2010-11-28 Thread Nigel Redmon
Please, think about it before you say something like that. On Nov 28, 2010, at 3:10 PM, christian schneider wrote: > do you really think the neves/api's/tridents and lexicons and emt's and tape > and all the other outboard on these recordings would not do ANYTHING at all > to a fairlight sound?

Re: [music-dsp] [OT] vinyl? No, thanks...

2010-11-28 Thread christian schneider
do you really think the neves/api's/tridents and lexicons and emt's and tape and all the other outboard on these recordings would not do ANYTHING at all to a fairlight sound? c On Sun, 28 Nov 2010 14:33:40 -0800, Nigel Redmon wrote: > First, realize that my point about the Art of Noise as a r

Re: [music-dsp] [OT] vinyl? No, thanks...

2010-11-28 Thread Andy Farnell
On Sun, 28 Nov 2010 17:24:41 -0500 Stephen Sinclair wrote: > On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Andy Farnell > wrote: > > > > And surely that comparison, between any two > > sources, regardless of their measurable quality, would > > remain valid? It doesn't matter that you provide an audiophile >

Re: [music-dsp] [OT] vinyl? No, thanks...

2010-11-28 Thread Nigel Redmon
First, realize that my point about the Art of Noise as a reference was also that it wasn't a particularly good source to show off CD's virtues either (using hi-fi digital to record low-fi digital). >I think it is precisely the claim made by vinyl lovers Well, I don't know--if you say so. I admi

Re: [music-dsp] [OT] vinyl? No, thanks...

2010-11-28 Thread Andy Farnell
On Sun, 28 Nov 2010 21:55:00 - "Dave Hoskins" wrote: > > Hi Nigel, > > > > Yes we _expect_ that. And hence my point is precisely the opposite. > >> I don't think that's the claim by vinyl lovers > > > > I think it is precisely the claim made by vinyl lovers, once > How would you compare di

Re: [music-dsp] [OT] vinyl? No, thanks...

2010-11-28 Thread Stephen Sinclair
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Andy Farnell wrote: > > And surely that comparison, between any two > sources, regardless of their measurable quality, would > remain valid? It doesn't matter that you provide an audiophile > test of orchestra and voice, it will still sound 'better' > on vinyl if t

Re: [music-dsp] [OT] vinyl? No, thanks...

2010-11-28 Thread Dave Hoskins
Hi Nigel, Yes we _expect_ that. And hence my point is precisely the opposite. You state the age old argument. This is exactly how I would have put it countless times before. Sheer frustration at playing the rational argument forces one to examine alternatives. The fact that this discussion still

Re: [music-dsp] [OT] vinyl? No, thanks...

2010-11-28 Thread Andy Farnell
Hi Nigel, Yes we _expect_ that. And hence my point is precisely the opposite. You state the age old argument. This is exactly how I would have put it countless times before. Sheer frustration at playing the rational argument forces one to examine alternatives. The fact that this discussion still

Re: [music-dsp] [OT] vinyl? No, thanks...

2010-11-28 Thread Rainer Buchty
On Sun, 28 Nov 2010, Nigel Redmon wrote: We'd expect a 16-bit digital recording (CD) of music made up of 8-bit digital recordings (Fairlight CMI) to be faithful to the source, so the only way vinyl could win is to somehow filter the digital audio into sounding better, and I don't think that's

Re: [music-dsp] [OT] vinyl? No, thanks...

2010-11-28 Thread Nigel Redmon
We'd expect a 16-bit digital recording (CD) of music made up of 8-bit digital recordings (Fairlight CMI) to be faithful to the source, so the only way vinyl could win is to somehow filter the digital audio into sounding better, and I don't think that's the claim by vinyl lovers. A better test wo

Re: [music-dsp] [OT] vinyl? No, thanks...

2010-11-28 Thread Andy Farnell
> Not sure if Art of Noise is the best choice for that comparison, > since all their stuff was done on the Fairlight CMI, afaik. On the other hand, to test the claim that pressing to vinyl somehow subjectively improves the listeners experience, lo-fi 1980s sampling would make an excellent case.

Re: [music-dsp] [OT] vinyl? No, thanks...

2010-11-28 Thread Nigel Redmon
Not sure if Art of Noise is the best choice for that comparison, since all their stuff was done on the Fairlight CMI, afaik. On Nov 28, 2010, at 8:56 AM, Rainer Buchty wrote: > On Mon, 22 Nov 2010, Stephen Sinclair wrote: > >> ("Vinyl just sounds.. different.. better.. but I couldn't tell you

Re: [music-dsp] [OT] vinyl? No, thanks...

2010-11-28 Thread Rainer Buchty
On Mon, 22 Nov 2010, Stephen Sinclair wrote: ("Vinyl just sounds.. different.. better.. but I couldn't tell you why.") Jumping on this (being a long-time lurker on this list), I never believed the above statement until I bought some LPs which I also had on CD. Until I had my own kind of "rev