Re: [music-dsp] Orfanidis-style filter design
I find that the best way to avoid paying for access to scholarly knowledge - both in legal terms and in effectiveness - is to email the author, express interest, and ask for any material they can send you. Most times, you'll get something free, legal, newer and with helpful insight straight from the horse's mouth. Ethan Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone robert bristow-johnson r...@audioimagination.com wrote: On 12/9/11 12:55 AM, Michael Olsen wrote: Robert, well, since, i have received a pdf copy of the Christensen paper. i am willing to send it along to any small quantity of people who ask. i realize the AES would rather that people get the paper from them and pay for it, but if the cost is $20 (for non-members), they cannot expect a lot of compliance. Is that not like saying It is ok to use an illegal copy of software [x] because it is so expensive they cannot expect a lot of people to buy it? Or do you find this situation to be different? i'm not even saying that It is ok i'm just saying that i'm willing to do it. i'm sorta utilitarian about stuff like this. i duped some songs offa 3 different CDs of Christmas music and put it on a single CD and gave a copy or two to some friends whom i thought would like a break from all of the commercial dreck (like Frosty the Snowman) that one is exposed to when in a store during this season. i am convinced that, if anything, it might increase the possibility that someone might want to buy the music, but if not, i think the sum total of satisfaction of persons in this life has increased. it's better than if they were stuck listening to dreck. L8r, -- r b-j r...@audioimagination.com Imagination is more important than knowledge. -- dupswapdrop -- the music-dsp mailing list and website: subscription info, FAQ, source code archive, list archive, book reviews, dsp links http://music.columbia.edu/cmc/music-dsp http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/music-dsp -- dupswapdrop -- the music-dsp mailing list and website: subscription info, FAQ, source code archive, list archive, book reviews, dsp links http://music.columbia.edu/cmc/music-dsp http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/music-dsp
Re: [music-dsp] Orfanidis-style filter design
I still didn't learn what Orfanidis has to say but I'm glad with serious discussions about copyright and formal and practical organization methods for non Open Source intellectual or art materials. I think when or of I create a nice piece of DSP software or a good theory applicable in the field that in most western countries I automatically have the legal copyright. Practically I'm not so sure if even building it into a ROM or choosing high profile expensive scientific magazine to publish in would give me more chance of making a profit than bringing out an non-copy-protected Windows program as a small company with no legal department. I mean when the ideas of people in a field are not bound by normal laws, nor by instituted or commercial rules, local mores or personal morality, or for all I care religious morality, we might as well be living in a jungle hoping for Tarzan to throw us a bone. Modern music ongoings teach me certain groups of people are willing to bow a lot lower than just that, so I'm all for some amount of personal morality about these subjects, or the big brother effect in all kinds of public DSP (TV, CD mastering, etc.) probably will prevail leaving the good, talented and nice working people with shitty A/V materials and little income. Ir. Theo Verelst http://www.theover.org/Prod/studiosound.html -- dupswapdrop -- the music-dsp mailing list and website: subscription info, FAQ, source code archive, list archive, book reviews, dsp links http://music.columbia.edu/cmc/music-dsp http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/music-dsp
Re: [music-dsp] Orfanidis-style filter design
Theo is correct regarding the morality of media today. The situation is an absolute disaster. It will not be remedied unless and until every download, page view, or stream of audio sends a payment to the copyright holder. Doesn't have to be a big payment. But it needs to be a reliable, actual payment. Sincerely, Mike Gogins On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Theo Verelst theo...@tiscali.nl wrote: I still didn't learn what Orfanidis has to say but I'm glad with serious discussions about copyright and formal and practical organization methods for non Open Source intellectual or art materials. I think when or of I create a nice piece of DSP software or a good theory applicable in the field that in most western countries I automatically have the legal copyright. Practically I'm not so sure if even building it into a ROM or choosing high profile expensive scientific magazine to publish in would give me more chance of making a profit than bringing out an non-copy-protected Windows program as a small company with no legal department. I mean when the ideas of people in a field are not bound by normal laws, nor by instituted or commercial rules, local mores or personal morality, or for all I care religious morality, we might as well be living in a jungle hoping for Tarzan to throw us a bone. Modern music ongoings teach me certain groups of people are willing to bow a lot lower than just that, so I'm all for some amount of personal morality about these subjects, or the big brother effect in all kinds of public DSP (TV, CD mastering, etc.) probably will prevail leaving the good, talented and nice working people with shitty A/V materials and little income. Ir. Theo Verelst http://www.theover.org/Prod/studiosound.html -- dupswapdrop -- the music-dsp mailing list and website: subscription info, FAQ, source code archive, list archive, book reviews, dsp links http://music.columbia.edu/cmc/music-dsp http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/music-dsp -- Michael Gogins Irreducible Productions http://www.michael-gogins.com Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com -- dupswapdrop -- the music-dsp mailing list and website: subscription info, FAQ, source code archive, list archive, book reviews, dsp links http://music.columbia.edu/cmc/music-dsp http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/music-dsp
Re: [music-dsp] Orfanidis-style filter design
robert bristow-johnson Sun Nov 27 17:29:14 EST 2011 wrote: On 11/27/11 3:17 PM, Dominique Würtz wrote: Any ideas? Knud Christensen A Generalization of the Biquadratic Parametric http://www.aes.org/e-lib/browse.cfm?elib=12429 Hmm, reading the abstract I'm not 100% sure... why not put out a request for anyone here at music-dsp who has free access to the full AES archives (i don't, sorry) to send you the pdf? I don't know if I have access, but it might be a problem to create a paper distribution leak on a world wide mailing list? Unless it's a public one of course.. Theo -- dupswapdrop -- the music-dsp mailing list and website: subscription info, FAQ, source code archive, list archive, book reviews, dsp links http://music.columbia.edu/cmc/music-dsp http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/music-dsp
Re: [music-dsp] Orfanidis-style filter design
On 12/8/11 4:36 PM, Theo Verelst wrote: robert bristow-johnson Sun Nov 27 17:29:14 EST 2011 wrote: On 11/27/11 3:17 PM, Dominique Würtz wrote: Any ideas? Knud Christensen A Generalization of the Biquadratic Parametric http://www.aes.org/e-lib/browse.cfm?elib=12429 Hmm, reading the abstract I'm not 100% sure... why not put out a request for anyone here at music-dsp who has free access to the full AES archives (i don't, sorry) to send you the pdf? I don't know if I have access, but it might be a problem to create a paper distribution leak on a world wide mailing list? Unless it's a public one of course.. well, since, i have received a pdf copy of the Christensen paper. i am willing to send it along to any small quantity of people who ask. i realize the AES would rather that people get the paper from them and pay for it, but if the cost is $20 (for non-members), they cannot expect a lot of compliance. -- r b-j r...@audioimagination.com Imagination is more important than knowledge. -- dupswapdrop -- the music-dsp mailing list and website: subscription info, FAQ, source code archive, list archive, book reviews, dsp links http://music.columbia.edu/cmc/music-dsp http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/music-dsp
Re: [music-dsp] Orfanidis-style filter design
Robert, well, since, i have received a pdf copy of the Christensen paper. i am willing to send it along to any small quantity of people who ask. i realize the AES would rather that people get the paper from them and pay for it, but if the cost is $20 (for non-members), they cannot expect a lot of compliance. Is that not like saying It is ok to use an illegal copy of software [x] because it is so expensive they cannot expect a lot of people to buy it? Or do you find this situation to be different? Best, Michael Olsen PhonoXone -- dupswapdrop -- the music-dsp mailing list and website: subscription info, FAQ, source code archive, list archive, book reviews, dsp links http://music.columbia.edu/cmc/music-dsp http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/music-dsp
Re: [music-dsp] Orfanidis-style filter design
Is that not like saying It is ok to use an illegal copy of software [x] because it is so expensive they cannot expect a lot of people to buy it? Or do you find this situation to be different? It might be like saying State funded research should be available free of charge to the scientific community, not held behind for-profit paywalls. Except that in this particular case the paper is published by TC Electronic so the state funded argument fails. In any case I think the free and open disemination of scientific knowledge can easily be argued to be different to the copying of proprietary software that is expressly produced for profit. Whether or not distribution of copyright works is an appropriate response to this issue is a matter for the individual. I'm not sure AES makes members agree to an EULA prohibiting further copying -- but I would think that copying for individual research as Robert is proposing falls within the fair use guidelines of many if not all nations. Best wishes Ross. (An AES member and also someone who paid for this paper a while back) -- dupswapdrop -- the music-dsp mailing list and website: subscription info, FAQ, source code archive, list archive, book reviews, dsp links http://music.columbia.edu/cmc/music-dsp http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/music-dsp
Re: [music-dsp] Orfanidis-style filter design
On 12/9/11 12:55 AM, Michael Olsen wrote: Robert, well, since, i have received a pdf copy of the Christensen paper. i am willing to send it along to any small quantity of people who ask. i realize the AES would rather that people get the paper from them and pay for it, but if the cost is $20 (for non-members), they cannot expect a lot of compliance. Is that not like saying It is ok to use an illegal copy of software [x] because it is so expensive they cannot expect a lot of people to buy it? Or do you find this situation to be different? i'm not even saying that It is ok i'm just saying that i'm willing to do it. i'm sorta utilitarian about stuff like this. i duped some songs offa 3 different CDs of Christmas music and put it on a single CD and gave a copy or two to some friends whom i thought would like a break from all of the commercial dreck (like Frosty the Snowman) that one is exposed to when in a store during this season. i am convinced that, if anything, it might increase the possibility that someone might want to buy the music, but if not, i think the sum total of satisfaction of persons in this life has increased. it's better than if they were stuck listening to dreck. L8r, -- r b-j r...@audioimagination.com Imagination is more important than knowledge. -- dupswapdrop -- the music-dsp mailing list and website: subscription info, FAQ, source code archive, list archive, book reviews, dsp links http://music.columbia.edu/cmc/music-dsp http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/music-dsp
Re: [music-dsp] Orfanidis-style filter design
On 11/27/11 3:17 PM, Dominique Würtz wrote: Any ideas? Knud Christensen A Generalization of the Biquadratic Parametric http://www.aes.org/e-lib/browse.cfm?elib=12429 Hmm, reading the abstract I'm not 100% sure if it really addresses what I'm aiming at. Sorry for being sceptical, but before I shell out 20$ for this, can you confirm me that it actually considers the gain correction at Nyquist? what it does is inverse-map the 5 coefficients of the biquad filter to 5 parameters that users might find useful. there *are* only 5 degrees of freedom, so it really is only an issue for how you want those 5 control knobs defined. why not put out a request for anyone here at music-dsp who has free access to the full AES archives (i don't, sorry) to send you the pdf? maybe there is a similar paper by the author living out there in the internet. maybe you can find and contact the author. i have a paper copy of the preprint *somewhere*, but i am not sure where. L8r, -- r b-j r...@audioimagination.com Imagination is more important than knowledge. -- dupswapdrop -- the music-dsp mailing list and website: subscription info, FAQ, source code archive, list archive, book reviews, dsp links http://music.columbia.edu/cmc/music-dsp http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/music-dsp
