Re: [mb-style] CSG guideline fix

2013-02-08 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.comwrote: I remember a few years ago there were discussions between mb users about following common sense rules or mechanical rules. Defenders of the latter would say that mechanical rules would allow automatic interpretation

Re: [mb-style] CSG guideline fix

2013-02-08 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 10:20 AM, symphonick symphon...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/2/8 Andrew Conkling and...@andrewski.net +1. There's no special reason classical music should be an exception to these guidelines. Sorry, you lost me there. Which guidelines? Sorry, the originally quoted one

Re: [mb-style] Fwd: [mb-users] Release artist?

2012-12-29 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 2:31 AM, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren reosare...@gmail.com wrote: Well, the release artist of any (non-classical) release is whoever is credited. So in using all the prominent cover credits, the classical guideline is actually closer to the standard that it was before NGS

Re: [mb-style] Fwd: [mb-users] Release artist?

2012-12-21 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 3:36 AM, Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net wrote: Right, but she's not just an artist on some tracks, she's right on the front cover which makes her a release artist, as on any normal release. Sorry, I'm not objecting to Argerich being the artist, but the other composers

Re: [mb-style] Fwd: [mb-users] Release artist?

2012-12-21 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net wrote: On 12/21/2012 8:38 AM, Andrew Conkling wrote: There's no exception for artists on classical releases, other than how to order composers vs. performers when they both appear on the front cover

[mb-style] Fwd: [mb-users] Release artist?

2012-12-20 Thread Andrew Conkling
? From: *Andrew Conkling* and...@andrewski.net Date: Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 10:03 AM To: MusicBrainz List musicbrainz-us...@lists.musicbrainz.org Perhaps it's not a very notable discussion, but I wasn't sure about the artist for this release. It had been changed as auto-editor

Re: [mb-style] Discussion: on the attributes for the orchestra relationship

2012-10-30 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 6:34 AM, symphonick symphon...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/10/30 Andrew Conkling and...@andrewski.net On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren reosare...@gmail.com wrote: So, quick question. What's the point? I have absolutely no idea, since for me

Re: [mb-style] Discussion: on the attributes for the orchestra relationship

2012-10-30 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 2:54 PM, symphonick symphon...@gmail.com wrote: I think that should be solved with a specific members of group performer attribute. Those performances could then appear under a specific heading on the appears on page. I'd support that too. :)

Re: [mb-style] Discussion: on the attributes for the orchestra relationship

2012-10-29 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren reosare...@gmail.com wrote: So, quick question. What's the point? I have absolutely no idea, since for me those have always looked like an attribute of the *artist*, not the performance. Personally, I would expect this stuff to be

Re: [mb-style] RFC ASIN Cover Art Link’s short text

2012-08-10 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 11:21 AM, jesus2099 hta3s836gzac...@jetable.orgwrote: As it’s a cover art relationship, don’t you (Andrew and other readers) think that an ASIN without picture in its web service* should be deleted as they don’t provide the thing that made this relationship was created

Re: [mb-style] Unicode objections

2011-02-21 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Feb 19, 2011, at 16:09 , Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: IIRC, the options were removed because nobody used them. Maybe if you put your request on User Voice and it gets a lot of votes it would be added. If anyone does that, please let us know here; I, for one, would like to put in my vote for

Re: [mb-style] Mailing list/forum dissonance

2011-01-21 Thread Andrew Conkling
+1 On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 10:35, Paul C. Bryan em...@pbryan.net wrote: Do we need two places for style discussions? If so, should someone be cross-posting at least raise important issues from one to the other? Should we consider using third-party services (e.g. Google Groups) that give us a

Re: [mb-style] RFC-106 Conductor (change) Chorus Master (merge away), RFC-266 Conductor Position (new AR), and RFC-264 Choirmaster Position (new AR)

2010-12-13 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 12:47, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: As there's been no comment on this one for a week, did it just get missed amidst the rest of what's going on? :) Yes. :) +1. ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list

Re: [mb-style] What is classical music?

2010-10-12 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Oct 12, 2010, at 2:27, Alex Mauer wrote: I would hope that any useful definition would allow me to compare to some thing and see if it matches or not. e.g., define: cat “feline mammal usually having thick soft fur and no ability to roar: domestic cats; wildcats” Is my water glass

Re: [mb-style] RFV2: Music can be streamed for free at

2010-09-03 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Sep 3, 2010, at 5:44, Pete Marsh wrote: my feeling is that video is outside the scope of this AR and that if video is included the AR becomes so generalised and vague as to be useless. there's already a youtube channel AR, isn't there? if that's not seen as adequate for outr YT needs

Re: [mb-style] RFV2: Music can be streamed for free at

2010-09-01 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 20:37, brian.brianschweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: First, last.fm has streaming music, unless I'm mis-remembering something. Yet last.fm is on http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/What_Not_To_Link_To#Last.fm - would otherwise entirely valid AR links to stream

Re: [mb-style] RFCs that expire without a +1 (was: RFC: Netherlands Clarification)

2010-08-27 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 13:40, Dr Andrew John Hughes gnu_and...@member.fsf.org wrote: If RFCs do then live forever, it's probably evidence that the change is not interesting either to others (who haven't given a +1) or the proposer (who hasn't pushed it harder enough). Agreed. In the

Re: [mb-style] Box Set Name Style: Apply to a whole set or not?

2010-08-26 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Aug 26, 2010, at 12:35, Nikki wrote: In NGS, tracklistings can be used for multiple releases, so both the original and the boxset can use the same tracklisting while having different release/disc names (which should solve this problem). Thanks; I've canceled my edit and will edit it again

Re: [mb-style] BoxSetNameStyle and Release Groups

2010-08-06 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Aug 5, 2010, at 12:56, Per Øyvind Øygard wrote: Couple problems. Many boxsets have discs of new/unreleased content. These discs necessarily need to have boxset naming, and need to be linked to. Linking Johnny's Boxset Beats (disc 5: The Returnening) as the next disc for Johnny Sings

[mb-style] BoxSetNameStyle and Release Groups

2010-08-05 Thread Andrew Conkling
I had an idea regarding BoxSetNameStyle, in the case where box sets' releases are also available individually. An example: http://musicbrainz.org/release-group/40ed05d3-8239-3d1a-a90a-543773898117.html has four releases, two of which have a composer that applies for the entire release, thus

Re: [mb-style] BoxSetNameStyle and Release Groups

2010-08-05 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Aug 5, 2010, at 12:08, Paul C. Bryan wrote: +1. I recently encountered this situation with the Brilliant box set of the complete works of Brahms. In some cases we have two releases associated with the same disc ID, with exactly the same track content, to accommodate different titles. This

Re: [mb-style] Reviving RFC for cadenza AR

2010-06-29 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Jun 28, 2010, at 17:08, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: 2010/6/28 Andrew Conkling andrew.conkl...@gmail.com On Jun 28, 2010, at 4:14, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: You were looking for more general formulations. I suggest: - X is the author of the cadenza for track # - track # contains

Re: [mb-style] Reviving RFC for cadenza AR

2010-06-28 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Jun 28, 2010, at 4:14, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: You were looking for more general formulations. I suggest: - X is the author of the cadenza for track # - track # contains a cadenza whose author is X ... a little too verbose, maybe? I'd say. I'd think composed would be good, perhaps

[mb-style] Reviving RFC for cadenza AR

2010-06-27 Thread Andrew Conkling
I feel like I asked this recently, but I can't find anything about it. I previously started asking about a cadenza AR, but I'd like to see it through this time: http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2007-January/004416.html Brian and list, what do I have to do to make this

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Require +1 for RFC text prior to moving to RFV

2010-03-18 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Mar 18, 2010, at 16:30, Brian Schweitzer wrote: Lol... perhaps we ought to request that, if you've already seen a second, there's no need for a third (and fourth, fifth, sixth...) :D Haha, yeah, absolutely; beat me to it. ;) Although perhaps everyone should have their chance just this

[mb-style] Label Name: Capitalization?

2010-03-17 Thread Andrew Conkling
be clarified. Cheers, Andrew Conkling / andrewski___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style

Re: [mb-style] Slow down.

2010-03-09 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Mar 9, 2010, at 7:58, Chad Wilson wrote: I don't know about everyone else (other than SwissChris), but I have a full-time job, and I don't have hours a day to go through mb-style content, think about it critically, and I can't read it every day. I'm at the point where I feel like making

Re: [mb-style] Fighting against mass destructive capitalization changes

2010-03-02 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Mar 1, 2010, at 10:59, Pavel Fedyakov wrote: It turns out that Guess case is a very destructive function for non-English releases. Regularly, newcomers use it for Russian titles while keeping default English setting. It's hard to find and revert all the mass edits especially when the

Re: [mb-style] Recording Year (or date) in Classical Release title

2010-02-12 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Feb 12, 2010, at 5:13, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: 2010/2/12 Marco Curti mcu...@aliceposta.it You have many releases of this work, but only two different recording: 1963 and 1995, I think is quite important to recognize the one form the other, so i would like to put the Year in the

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Classical Release Artist Style#Mixed recitals by a performer or group

2010-01-18 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Jan 16, 2010, at 13:21, lorenz pressler wrote: Andrew Conkling-2 wrote: That seems clear enough, though I think we should change the verbiage a bit. This should definitely cover the So-and-so's Greatest Hits type releases though, which would certainly be a good thing. I think the gray

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Classical Release Artist Style#Mixed recitals by a performer or group

2010-01-15 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Jan 14, 2010, at 17:22, symphonick wrote: The reasons for this are: everything doesn't come with sleeves nowadays + I want to avoid any kind of indication of a biggest-font-wins-rule, the examples are clear IMHO - we don't need to go there. Also who's most prominently featured on the

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Classical Release Artist Style#Mixed recitals by a performer or group

2010-01-15 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Jan 14, 2010, at 21:08, lorenz pressler wrote: if you don't give some reference (=sleeve) argueing will come up what could be understood as a clear indication for a main performer. sleeve can be a valid indication. if there are different coverart versions then it's clearly no clear

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Classical Release Artist Style#Mixed recitals by a performer or group

2010-01-15 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Jan 15, 2010, at 1:14, Dion Kuryana wrote: I'd also like to see some clarification (maybe as part of this proposed RFC) as to whether this style guide applies to only one release (as in one release entry/disc in the database), or to the entire release (i.e. if there is more than one

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Classical Release Artist Style#Mixed recitals by a performer or group

2010-01-15 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Jan 15, 2010, at 12:39, lorenz pressler wrote: if we can't find a common sense about what represents a main performer this guideline is meaningless in its current state. Agreed; that's certainly one endgame in my estimation. next try: an artist my be set to ReleaseArtist if he/she

Re: [mb-style] Classical Release Artist Style

2010-01-14 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Jan 14, 2010, at 8:33, lorenz pressler wrote: Rupert Welch wrote: In this case, CRAS is quite clear and unambiguous - single artist or performer. If people choose to add an interpretation that is not written in the guideline, or go back through the edit history of each guideline to

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Modify edit conditions for destructive edits

2009-12-11 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Dec 11, 2009, at 10:03, Pavan Chander wrote: On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Bram van Dijk bram_van_d...@hotmail.com wrote: So, in addition to this proposal, I would ask for a possibility for autoeditors to cancel their edits. Auto-editors cannot cancel their edits because an

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Modify edit conditions for destructive edits

2009-12-10 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Dec 9, 2009, at 19:56, Brian Schweitzer wrote: On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Paul C. Bryan em...@pbryan.net wrote: There's really consensus that 0:0 on expiry fails on these? I didn't think there was. Andrew C., +1 Andrew C., Paul, Bogdan, Philipp, and anyone else, would Andrew H.'s

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Modify edit conditions for destructive edits

2009-12-01 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Dec 1, 2009, at 11:54, Brian Schweitzer wrote: This RFC is intended to solve one other problem this edit brought to my attention, namely, that destructive edits pass on a 0:0 vote at expiration, just like most other edit types. This RFC would change the following edit types so that, if

Re: [mb-style] [CSG] Crediting samples of classical

2009-10-29 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Oct 29, 2009, at 22:20, Chad Wilson wrote: For anyone who wants to help me confirm, the notable samples are at A) 0:00-0:12 B) 0:50-0:59 (and looping every 11-12 seconds or so) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu1eDW8iS8I I believe sample A comes from 1:42 - 1:54 of Rex Tremendae

Re: [mb-style] CSGStandard Mozart: Oboe Concerto

2009-10-22 Thread Andrew Conkling
Hi Brian, On Oct 22, 2009, at 9:44, Brian Schweitzer wrote: Just checking The Compleat Mozart (Zaslaw), K. 271k was written for specifically for oboe, then K. 285d was an arrangement of 271k, specifically for flute. So 271k is the oboe one, 285d is the flute one - and in the line you've

[mb-style] CSGStandard Mozart: Oboe Concerto

2009-10-21 Thread Andrew Conkling
I'm no expert, but from Wikipedia's page on Mozart's Oboe concerto it would appear it was written for oboe and later reworked for flute: The Flute Concerto No. 2 in D Major is an adaptation of the original oboe concerto. Dutch flautist Ferdinand De Jean (1731-1797) commissioned Mozart for

Re: [mb-style] feat. in classical release titles

2009-01-29 Thread Andrew Conkling
either) we would have documented cases that (to stick with the example) Ma is featured on the recording, and would thus (want to) have the same ARs/featuring information on each. So, anyone up for an RFC on this? -- Andrew Conkling http://andrewski.net

Re: [mb-style] feat. in classical release titles

2009-01-28 Thread Andrew Conkling
players in displaying/using the Advanced Relationships. While MBz doesn't necessarily cater to music players or their finnicky formats, like Paul said, it's an important case and sometimes the only disambiguating one. That said, feel free to propose a new RFC for this specific issue and I' -- Andrew

Re: [mb-style] feat. in classical release titles

2009-01-28 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Andrew Conkling and...@andrewski.netwrote: Let alone the past discussion that took place (can't find ATM) that discussed the limitations of some music players in displaying/using the Advanced Relationships. While MBz doesn't necessarily cater to music players

Re: [mb-style] feat. in classical release titles

2009-01-28 Thread Andrew Conkling
think it's worthwhile. Plus, we'd only be saving five characters. :) -- Andrew Conkling http://andrewski.net ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style

Re: [mb-style] feat. in classical release titles

2009-01-28 Thread Andrew Conkling
that one edit), it would have been a much more fruitful discussion IMO (I for one don't keep up with VA edits and this was never on my radar). -- Andrew Conkling http://andrewski.net ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style

[mb-style] HOLY CRAP (WAS: Re: Audiobook styleguide)

2009-01-07 Thread Andrew Conkling
technical problems in the absolute wrong way.) -- Andrew Conkling http://andrewski.net ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style

[mb-style] Nickname in Artist Name?

2009-01-05 Thread Andrew Conkling
-- Andrew Conkling http://andrewski.net ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style

Re: [mb-style] What do we consider a catalogno in Musicbrainz ?

2008-09-24 Thread Andrew Conkling
either way. Fair enough. In cases like this, which is the bigger one? The one derived from the barcode? And could someone add this info to the wiki? -- Andrew Conkling http://andrewski.net ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style

[mb-style] Unmerging a box set

2008-09-18 Thread Andrew Conkling
/BoxSetNameStyle doesn't seem to be what people are following (this was even merged the opposite direction). Anyone mind if I create a new release? -- Andrew Conkling http://andrewski.net ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http

Re: [mb-style] Unmerging a box set

2008-09-18 Thread Andrew Conkling
. Thanks for the good ideas. -- Andrew Conkling http://andrewski.net ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style

[mb-style] Basset clarinet

2008-08-22 Thread Andrew Conkling
How can Basset clarinet[1] be added to the list of available instruments for ARs? I thought there was a process for this, but for the life of me, I can't find it. And before you ask, as I found out today, a Basset clarinet is not a Basset horn. :) [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basset_Clarinet

Re: [mb-style] Basset clarinet

2008-08-22 Thread Andrew Conkling
Oh, goodness, please forgive my mistake. I had meant to delete this, not send it. I ended up finding Basset clarinet in the list (that search can be subtly difficult sometimes). On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Andrew Conkling [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: How can Basset clarinet[1] be added

[mb-style] A transcription

2008-08-13 Thread Andrew Conkling
I just added a release that features a transcription of a Violin Sonata of Mozart's of unknown authorship. Wasn't sure how to indicate that so I based it off of the CSGStandard page for the original sonata and listed it according to the liner notes.

Re: [mb-style] Looking for a new [Documentation|Style] leader

2008-07-30 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 6:00 AM, Lukáš Lalinský [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dňa St, 2008-07-30 o 11:54 +0200, Aurélien.mino napísal: BTW, I figured nearly one year ago that we should migrate to MediaWiki, because it may better fits our needs (true categories support, advanced templates (Moin

Re: [mb-style] BoxSets

2008-07-16 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 18:39, Aaron Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope I'm not presenting a biased opinion, but I think we seemed to be heading towards a if someone wants to add the box set, let them sort of approach. ...as a pseudorelease, right? That was my impression last time it was

Re: [mb-style] Looking for a new style leader

2008-07-10 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 16:28, Frederic Da Vitoria [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Robert Kaye [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 10, 2008, at 12:49 PM, Robert Kaye wrote: On Jun 30, 2008, at 3:22 PM, Robert Kaye wrote: FYI: http://blog.musicbrainz.org/?p=332 This

Re: [mb-style] RFC: ClassicalStyleGuide FeaturingArtist example

2008-05-16 Thread Andrew Conkling
this all in my head. Thanks, Andrew On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Andrew Conkling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Currently, the ClassicalStyleGuide reads (excerpted): Track TitleIf a track has a soloist then add it using FeaturingArtistStyle http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/FeaturingArtistStyle: *(feat

Re: [mb-style] A Classical track with two composers

2008-04-26 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 12:45 PM, Brant Gibbard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I cannot seem to find a guideline that indicates what to do for the TRACK artist where a classical work is the result of a collaboration. I am just considering how to enter a release where one of the tracks is an aria

[mb-style] RFC: ClassicalStyleGuide FeaturingArtist example

2008-04-22 Thread Andrew Conkling
Currently, the ClassicalStyleGuide reads (excerpted): Track TitleIf a track has a soloist then add it using FeaturingArtistStylehttp://wiki.musicbrainz.org/FeaturingArtistStyle: *(feat. violin: Tamsin Little)*. If *all* tracks on the release feature a performer/group/conductor, this information is

Re: [mb-style] RFC: ClassicalStyleGuide FeaturingArtist example

2008-04-22 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 6:31 PM, Aaron Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about we don't add any of this information to the track titles and just use Advanced Relationships? This seems to be what a lot of editors are suggesting, but that seems to be suggesting to be

Re: [mb-style] RFC: ClassicalStyleGuide FeaturingArtist example

2008-04-22 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 7:06 PM, Brian Schweitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When we had the lengthy debate about keeping this type of info in release titles, the two convincing arguments to those of us who wanted to see it completely removed there as well were: 1) ARs don't show in toc-add

Re: [mb-style] RFC: ClassicalStyleGuide FeaturingArtist example

2008-04-22 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:06 PM, Chris B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/4/23 Andrew Conkling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Am I reading [Featuring ArtistStyle] too narrowly? Where's it mention the original track title or what's in the liner notes? well, to even come under the FeaturingArtistStyle

Re: [mb-style] Chorusmaster/Orchestra conductor

2008-04-18 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 7:07 PM, Gioele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could we introduce a new AR to state that a certain person is the usual chorusmaster or conductor of a certain choir/orchestra? I think that ARs like member of do not include being a conductor of an orchestra. Conductors are

Re: [mb-style] L-t-E-P-W-L-V-P-f-a-R

2008-04-08 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 1:55 AM, Lauri Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: n Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 7:41 AM, Paul C. Bryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm beginning to see more redundant Wikipedia links in various languages in MB, and as I've seen voting in both directions when faced with such AR

Re: [mb-style] RFV: Change BoxSetNameStyle and WhatDefinesAUniqueRelease

2008-03-31 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 11:09 AM, Brian Schweitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a quick followup note on this: This RFC was initiated because just such destructive edits were suggested/encouraged/done/fill-in-blank (Andrew, Leivhe, no offense, can't figure how to say it without

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Change BoxSetNameStyle

2008-03-27 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 1:25 PM, Aaron Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27-Mar-08, at 1:15 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: I believe duplication is not so frequent in classical. So for classical, the loss will be quite measurable IMO. In other kinds of music, I agree it may not make a

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Change BoxSetNameStyle

2008-03-25 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 11:19 AM, Leiv Hellebo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lauri Watts wrote: Clutter really failed to be an issue when the decision was made to overload 'artist' to mean composer or performer, instead of having both a possiblity. But hindsight is 20/20 and this is yet

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Change BoxSetNameStyle

2008-03-24 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 6:50 AM, Leiv Hellebo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian Schweitzer wrote: Adding it unboxed in the first place I have no issues with. It's the several edits open even just at this particular time which are actively converting box set releases into unboxed set

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Change BoxSetNameStyle

2008-03-24 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Chris B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 24/03/2008, Frederic Da Vitoria [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I disagree completely. I don't care if a CD was released as a 2 CD, 3 CD, 70 CD or 45 billions CD box set, as long as it was sold separately. These kind of box

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Change BoxSetNameStyle

2008-03-24 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Brian Schweitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your logic would hold more true in the non-classical box sets, but really, if followed, it would suggest that releases like Shine On have no place within MusicBrainz. But why are you asking that editors with a

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Change BoxSetNameStyle

2008-03-24 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Brian Schweitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Instead, what's being done is, one by one as the discs are being entered by a different editor, other editors are trying to ID what the original release of that single disc was, and the adding editor then is being

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Change BoxSetNameStyle

2008-03-24 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 6:02 PM, Brian Schweitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you lauri; this is exactly what I was saying. I long ago dropped the merge smaller to bigger concept. This RFC simply is intended to prevent the reverse philosophy of merge all bigger into smaller. I too

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Change BoxSetNameStyle

2008-03-24 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 6:08 PM, Brian Schweitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Andrew Conkling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Brian Schweitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Instead, what's being done is, one by one as the discs

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Change BoxSetNameStyle

2008-03-24 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Brian Schweitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Andrew Conkling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 6:02 PM, Brian Schweitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you lauri; this is exactly what I was saying. I long

[mb-style] FeaturingArtistStyle clarification (was: Re: RFC: Change BoxSetNameStyle)

2008-03-24 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 8:43 PM, Brian Schweitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Andrew Conkling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Brian Schweitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Andrew Conkling

Re: [mb-style] FeaturingArtistStyle clarification (was: Re: RFC: Change BoxSetNameStyle)

2008-03-24 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Brian Schweitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If one artist can be considered the primary artist, file the track/release under the primary artist, add AdvancedRelationships of the PerformanceRelationshipClass to link to the secondary artists, and append the

Re: [mb-style] Bach passions and CSG

2008-03-23 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 8:17 AM, Leiv Hellebo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris has replied to you on the history and the officialness of the CSG, I'll answer more directly. Brian Schweitzer wrote: Not to be totally sidetracked, though, the point here you may think is unimportant, but I

Re: [mb-style] Bach passions and CSG

2008-03-21 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 2:28 AM, Frederic Da Vitoria [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Paul; and, for once, I disagree with Leiv. Although I understand the redundancy is annoying, I feel that we must accept some limitations of mp3 players... I know exactly what you mean. I usually agree

Re: [mb-style] Bach passions and CSG

2008-03-21 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Brant Gibbard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, Andrew, why do *you* need all that in? How does seeing BWV 244 in your track titles enhance your experience of the SMP? By enabling me to find it. Catalogue numbers have the advantage of being language

Re: [mb-style] Bach passions and CSG

2008-03-21 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 8:04 AM, Frederic Da Vitoria [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Andrew Conkling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 2:28 AM, Frederic Da Vitoria [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and more importantly of the MB web site! If I

Re: [mb-style] CSGStandard: Ready for prime time?

2008-03-14 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 11:05 PM, Brian Schweitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:54 PM, Andrew Conkling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For context, this arose from a series of edits, namely: http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=8482467. I think we've moved past

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Works lists (and other related changes then implied)

2008-03-04 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 8:09 AM, Aaron Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4-Mar-08, at 8:02 AM, Andrew Conkling wrote: On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 7:24 AM, Frederic Da Vitoria [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Aaron Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4-Mar-08

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Works lists (and other related changes then implied)

2008-03-02 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 9:11 AM, Frederic Da Vitoria [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - this is not really a CSG proposal, since as Brian wrote, the actual track titles would be entered as they are printed. It would even restrict the CSG to the work list, thus allowing users who don't know anything

Re: [mb-style] Don't read the C*S*G, smoke it!

2008-02-27 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 5:17 AM, Leiv Hellebo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian Schweitzer wrote: Read the proposed new doc. It's still got a few holes, but it's there in the majority. http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/BrianFreud/sandbox * What is missing? * What don't people agree with

Re: [mb-style] Don't read the C*S*G, smoke it!

2008-02-27 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Brian Schweitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I'd propose this: We try for not one, but two final documents. One would be the full CSG, with all the cat-corners, etc, covered, as the full and complete CSG - so when you have those obscure areas, you have

Re: [mb-style] CSG

2008-02-26 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 8:04 AM, symphonick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/2/26, Aaron Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I disagree with luks. A work title not only identifies a larger work but also the individual movements of those works. Classical songs don't have titles, unless you consider

Re: [mb-style] Re: Musicbrainz-style Digest, Vol 34, Issue 81

2008-02-26 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Brian Schweitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone reread all the CSG documents in the wiki, forums, tickets, edit decisions, mailing lists, etc., as I have done. Then reread the sandbox CSG proposal I've been working on. Tell me how it's not the same exact

Re: [mb-style] CSG

2008-02-26 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 11:45 AM, Lukáš Lalinský [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Ut, 2008-02-26 at 11:36 -0500, Andrew Conkling wrote: On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Lukáš Lalinský [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Show me one release where a track is identified as Allegro, without

Re: [mb-style] CSG

2008-02-26 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Lukáš Lalinský [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Show me one release where a track is identified as Allegro, without mentioning Symphony No. XY and the composer's name on the front cover. http://musicbrainz.org/album/24bb6985-c65e-4e46-a0cb-6daacce5a28f.html

Re: [mb-style] CSG

2008-02-26 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Leiv Hellebo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian Schweitzer wrote: I didn't say I have them, only that I have seen them. Yes you did: I can go to my library and see dozens like you describe Local library, not Brian's own personal one. That tripped me up for a

Re: [mb-style] CSG Clean up - Let's have some action

2008-02-26 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 4:58 PM, Leiv Hellebo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aaron Cooper wrote: In my opinion, this wouldn't work You might be right, but you're not explaining why it won't. What do you lose if the WorkName is not in the TrackTitle? Choose your own examples and show why we would

Re: [mb-style] The CSGS whirlwind

2008-02-22 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 12:04 AM, Aaron Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 20-Feb-08, at 10:35 PM, Andrew Conkling wrote: http://musicbrainz.org/album/a3523d3e- b172-4164-8406-5dda5eea7a28.html (tracks 5-8) Is this really a track-level detail? I know there are (more or less) two camps

Re: [mb-style] The CSGS whirlwind

2008-02-22 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Andrew Conkling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://musicbrainz.org/album/3883f2fd-44b1-4174-82a0-c1fb8dc1c8db.html(tracks 1-2) Tracks 1 and 2 are performed together, but the track list doesn't show that. Does it turn out that they're from different works of Mozart's

Re: [mb-style] The CSGS whirlwind

2008-02-22 Thread Andrew Conkling
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Leiv Hellebo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aaron Cooper wrote: Pardon my late response, but I believe that by definition concertos feature an orchestra, however I wouldn't mind seeing Concerto for Piano and Orchestra.

Re: [mb-style] CSGStandard?

2008-02-18 Thread Andrew Conkling
Hi Leiv, Thanks for the reply and the re-welcome. I haven't left MBz, just stopped participating in the discussion. On Feb 18, 2008 5:23 PM, Leiv Hellebo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I should also mention that recently a few new twists have been introduced in the edit at

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Opera Track Style

2007-02-15 Thread Andrew Conkling
On 2/15/07, Aaron Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know you were talking about filenames - I said we shouldn't structure our track titles to fit on someone's harddrive. We should make our tagger so *IT* can make the filenames fit. You realize it's probably only Windows that has this problem -

Re: [mailing] [mb-style] RFC: Standardizing Classical Release Titles

2007-01-31 Thread Andrew Conkling
On 1/31/07, Aaron Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/31/07, Frederic Da Vitoria [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found another special case: multiple disc releases. See http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=6359121. How do we normalize these? Should catalogue numbers be included? If so, should

Re: [mailing] [mb-style] RFC: Standardizing Classical Release Titles

2007-01-30 Thread Andrew Conkling
On 1/30/07, Aaron Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/27/07, Don Redman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:38:54 +0100, David Gibson wrote: Erm.. except I believe the thread was discussion classical Release Titles, not Track Titles. How embarrasing. :-) Funny that I did not

Re: [mailing] [mb-style] RFC: Standardizing Classical Release Titles

2007-01-30 Thread Andrew Conkling
about the actual tracks on the CD. On 1/30/07, Aaron Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/30/07, Andrew Conkling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yay! Only one question arising from a recent edit: what to do when multiple works are contained in a release, but unsequentially. Do we do Piano

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