[mb-style] NGS guidelines

2011-05-24 Thread Brian Schweitzer
For a few reasons, I've been silent here for the past while. However, I feel I have to at least comment on the change in guidelines that has taken place. I may not be commenting on the list, but I do still at least skim the style list to see what's happening. Thus, when I saw an edit note

Re: [mb-style] Work definition strawman 1.0

2011-01-06 Thread Brian Schweitzer
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 4:40 AM, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.comwrote: 2011/1/6 Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com Under types of Works/Aggregate: What about things like operas, as we discussed? You're defining these as having an ordered sequence, but the specific

Re: [mb-style] Work definition strawman 1.0

2011-01-06 Thread Brian Schweitzer
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.comwrote: 2011/1/6 Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 4:40 AM, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.comwrote: 2011/1/6 Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com Under types

Re: [mb-style] Works: second-guessing movements/numbers in classical/opera

2011-01-05 Thread Brian Schweitzer
I see where you're thinking with this. However, I think it's too broad a solution to fit the problem, and it causes other issues. There's also a minor issue with #1, so far as I can see. To hit that one first, the definition in #1 would exclude many items in classical catalogues, as it would

Re: [mb-style] Work definition strawman 1.0

2011-01-05 Thread Brian Schweitzer
Under types of Works/Aggregate: What about things like operas, as we discussed? You're defining these as having an ordered sequence, but the specific problem is the out of order elements of these works - drop in arias, alternate movements, optional movements, etc. There's a core ordering,

Re: [mb-style] CSGv2 - track/recording artists

2011-01-03 Thread Brian Schweitzer
On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Wieland Hoffmann themi...@googlemail.comwrote: Brian Schweitzer wrote: On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Wieland Hoffmann themi...@googlemail.comwrote: On 30.12.2010 08:11, Brian Schweitzer wrote: I'm still working on the draft for CSGv2. I've finished

Re: [mb-style] Work definition strawman 1.0

2011-01-03 Thread Brian Schweitzer
Going from the top... The remix and mashup sentence may be better split into two separate concepts; a remix involves 1 work, a mashup involves 2, and combining the 2 is a little confusing. Under Distinctiveness, what about medleys? Under types of Works/Aggregate: What about things like operas,

Re: [mb-style] RFV7-52a: Single From Release Relationship Type

2011-01-03 Thread Brian Schweitzer
4 days have passed, and no veto. So I think it's safe to say, this one has (finally!) passed! Thank you all!!! :) Brian On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: 2 days have passed since the +1, and no discussion, so maybe we're finally

[mb-style] RFC-315:

2011-01-02 Thread Brian Schweitzer
http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Artist {{position|as {{position would make more sense.) Thanks, Brian On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: Note, this is not a part of the Held Position ARs; this is the already existing http

Re: [mb-style] CSGv2 - track/recording artists

2011-01-01 Thread Brian Schweitzer
I had a look at the old CSG, and if I understand correctly, we're more or less merging old trackartist old releaseartist into new track/recording artist? The old CSG page was release artist; this page is track artist. I've not worked on the release artist page version yet - I wanted to see

[mb-style] The Creative Position AR

2011-01-01 Thread Brian Schweitzer
Note, this is not a part of the Held Position ARs; this is the already existing http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Creative_Position_Relationship_Type I've had contact from a production music label's rep who is very interested in adding ARs for all of their composers, and in spreading the word about MB

Re: [mb-style] CSGv2 - track/recording artists

2010-12-31 Thread Brian Schweitzer
So what benefit is there? We go from classical releases having a meaningful artist field to some useless whatever was on the liner field, in which performers, conductors, arrangers, composers, and whomever else was on a liner are credited? Is that not what ARs are for? In such a case, why

Re: [mb-style] CSGv2 - track/recording artists

2010-12-30 Thread Brian Schweitzer
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:46 AM, symphonick symphon...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 10:17:36 +0100, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/12/30 Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com Hi all, I'm still working on the draft for CSGv2. I've finished

Re: [mb-style] CSGv2 - track/recording artists

2010-12-30 Thread Brian Schweitzer
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Wieland Hoffmann themi...@googlemail.comwrote: On 30.12.2010 08:11, Brian Schweitzer wrote: I'm still working on the draft for CSGv2. I've finished the text for the artist for a track/recording; I don't think it makes any significant changes, but just

Re: [mb-style] CSGv2 - track/recording artists

2010-12-30 Thread Brian Schweitzer
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 6:49 AM, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/12/30 symphonick symphon...@gmail.com On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 10:17:36 +0100, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/12/30 Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com Hi all, I'm still

Re: [mb-style] CSGv2 - track/recording artists

2010-12-30 Thread Brian Schweitzer
For my taste, it's too long too technical. IMHO we must write these pages with the non-csg-expert in mind. Well, it's really two lines long: The artist should be the composer(s) of the performed work, with one exception. The sole exception to the use of the composer as the artist, for a

Re: [mb-style] CSGv2 - track/recording artists

2010-12-30 Thread Brian Schweitzer
You are right, tracks = liners, this is consistent with other rules suggested for NGS And yet, quite frequently, the performers are not on the liner. The composer is. So what you're describing is an entirely third thing; not performer as artist but whatever is on the liner as artist -

Re: [mb-style] potential AR: Held chair or something like that (was: The Held Position ARs' RFCs: Part 2: RFC-267 Manager Position, Concertmaster Position, and RFC-274 Rehearsal accompanist)

2010-12-30 Thread Brian Schweitzer
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 5:49 PM, SwissChris swissch...@gmail.com wrote: I'm afraid this is something I'll have to *veto* if it's pursued. I am generally skeptical about (to not say allergic to) rules and regulations based on we never have seen this, but it might occur sometimes and you never

Re: [mb-style] potential AR: Held chair or something like that (was: The Held Position ARs' RFCs: Part 2: RFC-267 Manager Position, Concertmaster Position, and RFC-274 Rehearsal accompanist)

2010-12-30 Thread Brian Schweitzer
No doubt such an information can be interesting to have. I only don't think MB can (and should) provide these informations, unless they are taken from the only reliable source I can think of: the website of the artist in question. But then why bother to duplicate available information? Why

[mb-style] RFV7-52a: Single From Release Relationship Type

2010-12-30 Thread Brian Schweitzer
29, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Aurélien Mino a.m...@free.fr wrote: On 12/28/2010 11:38 PM, Brian Schweitzer wrote: Ok, I've add a note about the use of this AR, pre-NGS, per nikki's suggestion. Also, I've removed the remix attribute. I still think it's quite useful to have, but we don't seem

[mb-style] CSGv2 - track/recording artists

2010-12-29 Thread Brian Schweitzer
Hi all, I'm still working on the draft for CSGv2. I've finished the text for the artist for a track/recording; I don't think it makes any significant changes, but just tries to lay out what we've done and decided. However, I'm interested to see if anyone sees any issues with that text, before I

Re: [mb-style] RFC-106 Conductor (change) Chorus Master (merge away), RFC-266 Conductor Position (new AR), and RFC-264 Choirmaster Position (new AR)

2010-12-28 Thread Brian Schweitzer
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 7:24 AM, symphonick symphon...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 21 Dec 2010 20:25:16 +0100, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: Well, the action they're taking is still conducting; I think the difference would be that a guest conductor (position

Re: [mb-style] RFC-106 Conductor (change) Chorus Master (merge away), RFC-266 Conductor Position (new AR), and RFC-264 Choirmaster Position (new AR)

2010-12-28 Thread Brian Schweitzer
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 4:47 PM, symphonick symphon...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 18:47:17 +0100, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 7:24 AM, symphonick symphon...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 21 Dec 2010 20:25:16 +0100, Brian

Re: [mb-style] RFV5-52: Supporting Release Relationship Type

2010-12-28 Thread Brian Schweitzer
8 days have passed, and I've seen no further discussion, or any vetos, so it looks like this one's passed. Thanks all! Brian On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 1:35 AM, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, I think this one might be ready now for another try at an RFV, so let's

[mb-style] RFC7-52a: Single From Release Relationship Type

2010-12-28 Thread Brian Schweitzer
is a RG AR, not a release AR, this RFC also includes permission for the note at the top to be removed without need for a new RFC. Thanks, Brian On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, there's been no more comment on this in the last month

[mb-style] RFC-296a: Change Release Country page

2010-12-28 Thread Brian Schweitzer
there was an appearance of them being considered to be such by Release Country. Brian On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 1:24 PM, SwissChris swissch...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, no. Anything you propose will not do. We mean

Re: [mb-style] RFC-106 Conductor (change) Chorus Master (merge away), RFC-266 Conductor Position (new AR), and RFC-264 Choirmaster Position (new AR)

2010-12-28 Thread Brian Schweitzer
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 6:03 PM, symphonick symphon...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 23:23:26 +0100, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 4:47 PM, symphonick symphon...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 18:47:17 +0100, Brian

Re: [mb-style] RFV4: Writer Relationship Type

2010-12-24 Thread Brian Schweitzer
I think you're right Paul. However, if I may, I'll read this RFV as an RFC, and give that RFC the +1 it needs to move forward. Jeroen, all looks good. One request, though, (and I think I'm even the one who originally put it there when I did the examples stuff for you :P)... Would you mind if

[mb-style] RFC4: Writer Relationship Type (was RFV4: Writer Relationship Type)

2010-12-24 Thread Brian Schweitzer
dec. 2010 om 19:04 heeft Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven: I think you're right Paul. However, if I may, I'll read this RFV as an RFC, and give that RFC the +1 it needs to move forward. Jeroen, all looks good. One request, though, (and I think I'm

[mb-style] potential AR: Held chair or something like that (was: The Held Position ARs' RFCs: Part 2: RFC-267 Manager Position, Concertmaster Position, and RFC-274 Rehearsal accompanist)

2010-12-23 Thread Brian Schweitzer
If it's to be a dropdown, then I suggest we stop at reasonable values, although I am unable to say what is reasonable should actually mean, symphonick seems to suggest 30, my first idea was less than 10. When/if a user complains about this limitation, it will be time to start thinking

Re: [mb-style] The Held Position ARs' RFCs: Part 2: RFC-267 Manager Position, Concertmaster Position, and RFC-274 Rehearsal accompanist

2010-12-22 Thread Brian Schweitzer
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 5:34 AM, symphonick symphon...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 04:29:41 +0100, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: RFC-265: Concertmaster Position Relationship Type http://wiki.musicbrainz.org

Re: [mb-style] The Held Position ARs' RFCs: Part 2: RFC-267 Manager Position, Concertmaster Position, and RFC-274 Rehearsal accompanist

2010-12-22 Thread Brian Schweitzer
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/12/22 Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 5:34 AM, symphonick symphon...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 04:29:41 +0100, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit

Re: [mb-style] The Held Position ARs' RFCs: Part 2: RFC-267 Manager Position, Concertmaster Position, and RFC-274 Rehearsal accompanist

2010-12-22 Thread Brian Schweitzer
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 11:54 AM, symphonick symphon...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 13:10:46 +0100, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 5:34 AM, symphonick symphon...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 04:29:41 +0100, Brian

Re: [mb-style] The Held Position ARs' RFCs: Part 2: RFC-267 Manager Position, Concertmaster Position, and RFC-274 Rehearsal accompanist

2010-12-22 Thread Brian Schweitzer
@Brian, could you explain what you meant: ...first and first chair aren't the same, in that context. /symphonick I was talking about section vs position; first alto sax section vs first chair of the first alto sax section. Brian ___

Re: [mb-style] RFC6-52a: Single From Release Relationship Type

2010-12-22 Thread Brian Schweitzer
You're right; a remix EP is a type of EP, and a remix single is a type of single. *However*, we don't have types remix EP or remix single. We only have EP, single... and remix. Remix being the most specific of the three, any single or EP which is of remix type

Re: [mb-style] RFC-106 Conductor (change) Chorus Master (merge away), RFC-266 Conductor Position (new AR), and RFC-264 Choirmaster Position (new AR)

2010-12-21 Thread Brian Schweitzer
Well, the action they're taking is still conducting; I think the difference would be that a guest conductor (position) is there for a set of performances, or maybe a season (?, basing this on your links), while someone who is guest conducting is doing only one or two shows, but as a

Re: [mb-style] IRC Chat re: Works: Mon. Dec. 20 @ 7PM GMT

2010-12-21 Thread Brian Schweitzer
Work A is part of a set, the next Work in the set is Work B This, as I'd alluded to on the style list, is something I've worked on, off and on, for a long while. However, it isn't so simple as just having a potential for movement 1, movement 2, movement 3, .. movement n. Add in

Re: [mb-style] The Held Position ARs' RFCs: Part 2: RFC-267 Manager Position, Concertmaster Position, and RFC-274 Rehearsal accompanist

2010-12-21 Thread Brian Schweitzer
RFC-265: Concertmaster Position Relationship Type http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Proposal:Concertmaster_Position_Relationship_Type_Proposal Missing some attributes: 1st/Principal Concermaster Alternate/Alternating/2nd, 3rd... Concertmaster Possibly assisting/associate, see

Re: [mb-style] RFV: Prefer Specific Relationship Types

2010-12-20 Thread Brian Schweitzer
...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Brian, On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 11:32 PM, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: Not to cause issues, Nikki, but this RFV was passed without response to my email of Dec 17: It would have been helpful if you had asked these questions before giving

Re: [mb-style] RFV: Prefer Specific Relationship Types

2010-12-20 Thread Brian Schweitzer
- Engineer (post-RFC 251): Be as specific as possible and specify the type of engineering that was performed, but only if you have a source or if you can deduce this information. For details, see the Prefer Specific Relationship Types guideline. Regards, Jeroen Oh; I

Re: [mb-style] IRC Chat re: Works: Mon. Dec. 20 @ 7PM GMT

2010-12-20 Thread Brian Schweitzer
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Paul C. Bryan em...@pbryan.net wrote: Attached is the IRC chat log from this morning's (PST) chat. Thanks to everyone who participated. Paul Thanks. :) I've read through the transcript, in preparation for this evening's meeting. There's a few things I'd

Re: [mb-style] IRC Chat re: Works: Mon. Dec. 20 @ 7PM GMT

2010-12-20 Thread Brian Schweitzer
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Paul C. Bryan em...@pbryan.net wrote: Attached is the IRC chat log from this morning's (PST) chat. Thanks to everyone who participated. Paul Thanks. :) I've read

Re: [mb-style] RFC6-52a: Single From Release Relationship Type

2010-12-20 Thread Brian Schweitzer
Nikki, I've not heard back - did you still have concerns, or is this ready to go to RFV? Brian On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Nikki aei...@gmail.com wrote: As far as I'm aware, the idea

[mb-style] RFV5-52: Supporting Release Relationship Type

2010-12-20 Thread Brian Schweitzer
Ok, I think this one might be ready now for another try at an RFV, so let's give it a shot. :) http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:BrianSchweitzer/Supporting_Release_Relationship_Type Brian On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 5:59 AM, jacobbrett jacobbr...@hotmail.com wrote: Brian Schweitzer wrote

[mb-style] The Held Position ARs' RFCs: Part 2: RFC-267 Manager Position, Concertmaster Position, and RFC-274 Rehearsal accompanist

2010-12-20 Thread Brian Schweitzer
Ok, discussion on the first 3 RFCs has gone quiet, so lets see if we can't get another 3 ready for RFV. As promised, I'll not RFV the Held Position ARs until all of the Held Position RFCs have come forward (and hopefully had any kinks worked out of them). So RFC-106, RFC-264, and RFC-266 are

Re: [mb-style] RFC-296: Change Country terminology to Location

2010-12-19 Thread Brian Schweitzer
? :) Brian On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 3:54 AM, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/12/6 Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Paul C. Bryan em

Re: [mb-style] RFC-296: Change Country terminology to Location

2010-12-19 Thread Brian Schweitzer
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 1:24 PM, SwissChris swissch...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, no. Anything you propose will not do. We mean the top geographical entity just below continent and above state, province etc., and this entity is called country (and there are no possible synonyms that will be

Re: [mb-style] RFV: Prefer Specific Relationship Types

2010-12-19 Thread Brian Schweitzer
Not to cause issues, Nikki, but this RFV was passed without response to my email of Dec 17: +1 on the RFV. Just taking a last look, one trivial thing popped out at me... One of the three examples specifically talks about the Writer AR. Maybe final passage of this RFV should be contingent upon

Re: [mb-style] RFV: Prefer Specific Relationship Types

2010-12-17 Thread Brian Schweitzer
+1 on the RFV. Just taking a last look, one trivial thing popped out at me... One of the three examples specifically talks about the Writer AR. Maybe final passage of this RFV should be contingent upon the Writer AR passing RFV, so there's no issue with that example referencing an AR that

[mb-style] The two Project RFCs

2010-12-17 Thread Brian Schweitzer
The two Project RFCs are RFC-87 Add 'is a project of' AR and RFC-6 Artist Type Project ( http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Proposal:Artist_Type_Project ). These were two of the proposals which were in need of a champion back at the beginning of 2010. When most of the other proposals were closed as

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Prefer Specific Relationship Types

2010-12-16 Thread Brian Schweitzer
Thanks for this morning's tweaks. +1 on writer from me now as well :) Brian On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 3:39 AM, Jeroen Latour f.j.lat...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Nikki, Brian, On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Nikki aei...@gmail.com wrote: Brian Schweitzer wrote: The track or release language

Re: [mb-style] RFC-106 Conductor (change) Chorus Master (merge away), RFC-266 Conductor Position (new AR), and RFC-264 Choirmaster Position (new AR)

2010-12-16 Thread Brian Schweitzer
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 6:30 AM, symphonick symphon...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 02:07:17 +0100, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 4:52 PM

Re: [mb-style] RFC-106 Conductor (change) Chorus Master (merge away), RFC-266 Conductor Position (new AR), and RFC-264 Choirmaster Position (new AR)

2010-12-16 Thread Brian Schweitzer
That one I do intend to be a guideline, and I'd prefer to leave it as it is. It's also come up before rather frequently in edits, and on this list, as part of clean up CSG and earlier. Reference, for example, the threads at

Re: [mb-style] RFC-106 Conductor (change) Chorus Master (merge away), RFC-266 Conductor Position (new AR), and RFC-264 Choirmaster Position (new AR)

2010-12-16 Thread Brian Schweitzer
For RFC-264: Artist is/was a {{assistant}} {{associate}} {{principal}} {{vocal}} choirmaster/choirmistress {{emeritus}} for Artist Artist has/had {{assistant}} {{associate}} {{principal}} {{instrument}} choirmaster(s)/choirmistress(es) {{emeritus:emeritus/emeriti}} Artist For

Re: [mb-style] IRC Chat re: Works: Mon. Dec. 20 @ 7PM GMT

2010-12-16 Thread Brian Schweitzer
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Paul C. Bryan em...@pbryan.net wrote: On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 21:00 -0500, Brian Schweitzer wrote: I'd agree with Calvin about this being important. Any chance that a second discussion could take place at a different time, for most of us in North America

Re: [mb-style] RFC5-52: Supporting Release Relationship Type

2010-12-16 Thread Brian Schweitzer
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 9:09 AM, jacobbrett jacobbr...@hotmail.com wrote: Brian Schweitzer wrote: snip I'm a bit rusty on how Supporting Release Relationship Type and Single From Release Relationship Type work together. Is it safe to use Single From Release

Re: [mb-style] RFC6-52a: Single From Release Relationship Type

2010-12-16 Thread Brian Schweitzer
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Nikki aei...@gmail.com wrote: As far as I'm aware, the idea was that this would be added now and migrated to release groups in NGS. Are you proposing that we shouldn't add it until NGS? No, that intention hasn't changed. I just don't now think we need the

Re: [mb-style] RFC-106 Conductor (change) Chorus Master (merge away), RFC-266 Conductor Position (new AR), and RFC-264 Choirmaster Position (new AR)

2010-12-15 Thread Brian Schweitzer
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 4:52 PM, symphonick symphon...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 18:47:56 +0100, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: As there's been no comment on this one for a week, did it just get missed amidst the rest of what's going on? :) Brian

Re: [mb-style] RFC-106 Conductor (change) Chorus Master (merge away), RFC-266 Conductor Position (new AR), and RFC-264 Choirmaster Position (new AR)

2010-12-15 Thread Brian Schweitzer
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 4:52 PM, symphonick symphon...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 12 Dec 2010 18:47:56 +0100, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: As there's been no comment

Re: [mb-style] RFC-106 Conductor (change) Chorus Master (merge away), RFC-266 Conductor Position (new AR), and RFC-264 Choirmaster Position (new AR)

2010-12-15 Thread Brian Schweitzer
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Nikki aei...@gmail.com wrote: Brian Schweitzer wrote: 1) Add the instrument, orchestra, and vocal attributes to the Conductor AR. This allows us to drill down to what a conductor specifically conducted, when you have multiple conductors at the same time

Re: [mb-style] IRC Chat re: Works: Mon. Dec. 20 @ 7PM GMT

2010-12-15 Thread Brian Schweitzer
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Calvin Walton calvin.wal...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 11:53 -0800, Paul C. Bryan wrote: I’d like to moderate an IRC chat to discuss works in the next-generation schema, namely to address the following issues: 1. What should be and what

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Prefer Specific Relationship Types

2010-12-15 Thread Brian Schweitzer
). And then I guess we can move on :-) Chris/chabreyflint On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Nikki aei...@gmail.com wrote: Jeroen Latour wrote: Hi Chris, Thanks a lot for that overview. That's very

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Prefer Specific Relationship Types

2010-12-15 Thread Brian Schweitzer
2010/12/15 Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren reosare...@gmail.com On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 3:07 AM, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: Re Writer: I'm sorry in advance for nitpicking... I'll be happy to see these finish as well. :) The track or release language which

Re: [mb-style] RFC5-52: Supporting Release Relationship Type

2010-12-13 Thread Brian Schweitzer
snip I'm a bit rusty on how Supporting Release Relationship Type and Single From Release Relationship Type work together. Is it safe to use Single From Release (as a blanket AR link) for a single RG to an album RG, even if that single RG contains certain Rs that would use

Re: [mb-style] RFV2-294: Removed banned characters (from misc. guideline)

2010-12-13 Thread Brian Schweitzer
Agreed! Hawke, insanely huge mega props to you for finally getting that part of misc guideline taken out! :) Brian On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Paul C. Bryan em...@pbryan.net wrote: W00t! I am very happy to see this pass. Thanks, hawke, for hanging in there. Paul On Mon, 2010-12-13

Re: [mb-style] RFC3-290: Live Bootleg Style

2010-12-12 Thread Brian Schweitzer
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 7:32 AM, Kuno Woudt k...@frob.nl wrote: On 12/12/10 11:10, Nikki wrote: Brian Schweitzer wrote: Nikki, I think you've already had significant compromises made, in the removal of Brazil and Mexico entirely, the removal of the US Minor Islands as individual items

Re: [mb-style] RFC3-290: Live Bootleg Style

2010-12-12 Thread Brian Schweitzer
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 5:10 AM, Nikki aei...@gmail.com wrote: Brian Schweitzer wrote: I'll blame my political science background. :P It's better though, I think, than thefreedictionary's applicable definition One of the more or less internally autonomous territorial and political units

Re: [mb-style] RFC3-290: Live Bootleg Style

2010-12-12 Thread Brian Schweitzer
(reason 2) There is not a single point that we could link to which would include the same data; we would have to link to the postal systems' page for each country, so 3 external links. We still then would give up control over modifications to the list, which is a big negative.

Re: [mb-style] RFC-296: Change Country terminology to Location

2010-12-12 Thread Brian Schweitzer
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 3:54 AM, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/12/6 Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Paul C. Bryan em...@pbryan.net wrote: Possible middle ground: Region? Paul Isn't that too vague to encompass country

[mb-style] RFC6-52a: Single From Release Relationship Type

2010-12-12 Thread Brian Schweitzer
Ok, there's been no more comment on this in the last month, so let's see if it can't move forward. :) jacobbrett's additional examples are included in the proposal's text, otherwise I think it's pretty much unchanged since RFC5. The remix attribute is still there; the option always remains that

[mb-style] RFC5-52: Supporting Release Relationship Type

2010-12-12 Thread Brian Schweitzer
that addresses everything that came in during the post RFV4 comments in the past 2 months, so this one's ready again for RFC. http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:BrianSchweitzer/Supporting_Release_Relationship_Type Brian On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit

Re: [mb-style] RFC5-52: Supporting Release Relationship Type

2010-12-12 Thread Brian Schweitzer
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 4:48 PM, jacobbrett jacobbr...@hotmail.com wrote: Brian Schweitzer wrote: I've updated the proposal. jacobbrett's examples have now been incorporated (except for Alice in Chains example #3, as it's a little too confusing, imho). All reference to the Track

Re: [mb-style] RFC6-52a: Single From Release Relationship Type

2010-12-12 Thread Brian Schweitzer
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 4:36 PM, jacobbrett jacobbr...@hotmail.com wrote: Brian Schweitzer wrote: Ok, there's been no more comment on this in the last month, so let's see if it can't move forward. :) jacobbrett's additional examples are included in the proposal's text, otherwise

Re: [mb-style] RFC-298: Has Cover Art at BandCamp

2010-12-11 Thread Brian Schweitzer
I've not heard of the site before, but have no objections to the AR itself. However, as has already been mentioned by others, there's problems here which would block my being able to support the RFC in its current state. You seem to be combining a CC license AR, a cover art AR, a can be

Re: [mb-style] RFC-298: Has Cover Art at BandCamp

2010-12-11 Thread Brian Schweitzer
Agreed on the CC AR point. And again, that's what this proposal has become. Bandcamp offers all of the listed services to users. Media, streaming, purchase/downloading, and even physical goods sales. That's the chief reason why this should be a dedicated Artist X has a bandcamp page at

Re: [mb-style] Granularity of works

2010-12-09 Thread Brian Schweitzer
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 4:50 AM, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/12/9 Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Paul C. Bryan em...@pbryan.net wrote: I'm not sure if this has been addressed yet in other forums, but it seemed

Re: [mb-style] RFC3-290: Live Bootleg Style

2010-12-08 Thread Brian Schweitzer
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:32 PM, Nikki aei...@gmail.com wrote: In general, it's a lot clearer now, thanks. However, I really don't like the new definition of state. The wording seems rather awkward and overly technical to me. Since we use the state for disambiguating places, it should just be

Re: [mb-style] Granularity of works

2010-12-08 Thread Brian Schweitzer
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Paul C. Bryan em...@pbryan.net wrote: I'm not sure if this has been addressed yet in other forums, but it seemed appropriate to get this discussed in mb-style: what should the granularity of works be in NGS? Works will allow ARs to other works. As I

Re: [mb-style] RFC3-290: Live Bootleg Style

2010-12-06 Thread Brian Schweitzer
for the RFC to get bogged down in things which weren't even in the original RFC (well, the original RFC3 :P). Brian Schweitzer wrote: On another note, I've previously run into issues regarding the precision of suburb vs city in location edits. For example, there was a bootleg that had

[mb-style] What is the future of Consistent Original Data, and of Strong vs Weak (aka: 'Style') guidelines?

2010-12-06 Thread Brian Schweitzer
A recent series of edit debates has focused on COD. (I won't bother to link to them, because it's not really relevant here, and the notes drag on for dozens of pages over several edits.) However, that got me looking again at RFC-275: Clarify order of precidence of guidelines and principles

Re: [mb-style] RFC3-290: Live Bootleg Style

2010-12-05 Thread Brian Schweitzer
Ok, another attempt. :) This is enough of a change/expansion to the prior RFCs that it's likely best to clear any +1s, and let this version of the RFC need a new +1. Changes since the last RFC: 1) I've removed the UM locations from the list, and specified that they should *not* be abbreviated.

[mb-style] RFC-296: Change Country terminology to Location

2010-12-05 Thread Brian Schweitzer
As has been noted in the LBS RFC, Release Country isn't really correct terminology for what that field actually stores. We want the best-fit release location, so we have many other things, from ISO 3166, than just countries as options in that dropdown. Just to mention some of them: Åland

Re: [mb-style] RFC-296: Change Country terminology to Location

2010-12-05 Thread Brian Schweitzer
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 8:04 PM, SwissChris swissch...@gmail.com wrote: I don't really like the term location, in fact I *really* don't like it. IMO it's fuzzy and even worse than the maybe unsatisfactory country which we now use, especially in regards of non english speaking editors. Location

Re: [mb-style] RFC-296: Change Country terminology to Location

2010-12-05 Thread Brian Schweitzer
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Paul C. Bryan em...@pbryan.net wrote: Possible middle ground: Region? Paul Isn't that too vague to encompass country? ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Prefer Specific Relationship Types

2010-12-04 Thread Brian Schweitzer
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Nikki aei...@gmail.com wrote: Jeroen Latour wrote: Hi Chris, Thanks a lot for that overview. That's very helpful. Is there anyone who can explain to me how to add more examples to the page? There seems to be a limitation in the template. As far as I

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Prefer Specific Relationship Types

2010-12-04 Thread Brian Schweitzer
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 7:42 AM, SwissChris swissch...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jeroen, Looks good, but for some minor, undisputed changes which were brought up earlier and got lost in the long and tedious

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Prefer Specific Relationship Types

2010-12-03 Thread Brian Schweitzer
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 7:42 AM, SwissChris swissch...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jeroen, Looks good, but for some minor, undisputed changes which were brought up earlier and got lost in the long and tedious debate: Description: better, and logically correct, would be: …the artist

Re: [mb-style] RFC2: Remove banned characters (from misc. guideline)

2010-12-02 Thread Brian Schweitzer
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 11:46 PM, Bogdan Butnaru bogd...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 03:05, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: It took a little longer than I planned to type it out, so I missed passing the link to you on IRC Alex, but here's what I'd

Re: [mb-style] RFC2: Remove banned characters (from misc. guideline)

2010-12-02 Thread Brian Schweitzer
by the current guideline, and that it would be better for a guideline to simply say what *should* be done. I have edited the proposal to do so[1], taking it down to three sentences. It also removes the link and section for “what not to link to” for the reasons described by Brian Schweitzer

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Prefer Specific Relationship Types

2010-12-01 Thread Brian Schweitzer
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 7:07 AM, Nikki aei...@gmail.com wrote: Jeroen Latour wrote: Because I saw that throughout the Wiki, especially with links to Wiki pages for relationship types. I'm happy to change it to lowercase if that's the standard though. Do we have a Style Guideline Style

Re: [mb-style] RFC2: Remove banned characters (from misc. guideline)

2010-12-01 Thread Brian Schweitzer
the proposal to do so[1], taking it down to three sentences. It also removes the link and section for “what not to link to” for the reasons described by Brian Schweitzer in the RFV discussion. This second RFC period will end on 2010-12-8. —Alex Mauer “hawke” 1. http://wiki.musicbrainz.org

Re: [mb-style] RFV: Removed banned characters (from misc. guideline)

2010-11-30 Thread Brian Schweitzer
Sorry to not have spent a lot of time lately looking at this proposal; I've been traveling for the holidays. Other editors can later edit with preferred characters. I know what this is supposed to mean, but this sentence doesn't really seem to say it all that well. Perhaps something like Those

[mb-style] Follow up on [traditional]

2010-11-30 Thread Brian Schweitzer
It's been a couple of weeks since [traditional] was reintroduced. I took a look just now, to see what's going on in there, and it's not impressive. Ignoring the dupe, there's 5 VA RGs in there at the moment ( see http://musicbrainz.org/artist/9be7f096-97ec-4615-8957-8d40b5dcbc41.html ). I did a

Re: [mb-style] Reality vs. Legality

2010-11-28 Thread Brian Schweitzer
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/11/28 Bill Purosky bpuro...@verizon.net One of my recent edits just received a no vote: http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=13583063 It's a Lennon/McCartney song know to be written solely by

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Prefer Specific Relationship Types

2010-11-24 Thread Brian Schweitzer
To be clear: I will veto an upcoming writer RFV (again) if (like Brian is suggesting) this my concern is not addressed at all. I suggested, again and again, various wordings on And you do not consider the RFC which adds an entire section to the general guidelines to somehow address this?

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Prefer Specific Relationship Types

2010-11-24 Thread Brian Schweitzer
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Jeroen Latour f.j.lat...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 2:11 PM, SwissChris swissch...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Jeroen Latour f.j.lat...@gmail.comwrote: Good point, updated. I'd appreciate any other language comments.

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Prefer Specific Relationship Types

2010-11-24 Thread Brian Schweitzer
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Jeroen Latour f.j.lat...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Brian, Chris, On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: To be clear: I will veto an upcoming writer RFV (again) if (like Brian is suggesting) this my concern

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Prefer Specific Relationship Types

2010-11-23 Thread Brian Schweitzer
2) was written by is not just a generic term that subdivides into more precise sub-categories, but is often – depending on the context – semantically identical with one of these sub-categories: If you read Eine kleine Nachtmusik *was written by* W. A. Mozart you automatically translate into:

[mb-style] Holiday delays to any RFC- RFV or RFV expirations

2010-11-23 Thread Brian Schweitzer
While I recognize that MB is an international site, many of the people on this list, and many of the users are either live in or are currently traveling in the US. Might I suggest that, in recognition of this, we delay making any new RFVs, or expiring any RFVs, until Saturday, so these folks can

Re: [mb-style] Updating advanced relationship style for NGS

2010-11-22 Thread Brian Schweitzer
On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/11/20 Nikki aei...@gmail.com Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: Either we decide to keep those ARs at Track level and have them automatically replicated to works (clumsy IMO) or we get rid of those ARs at

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