Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-208 - New Recordings Guidelines - Rev. 6

2013-04-19 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
d as a > remaster is in fact a remix - in this case, follow the remix guidelines > above." > I don't think this should be entirely removed, as this is an important consideration. But maybe it could be moved to the "Recordings with Different Mastering" section. --

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-208 - New Recordings Guidelines - Rev. 6

2013-04-19 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
+1 2013/4/19 LordSputnik > Frederic Da Vitoria wrote > > Shouldn't "of audio track" be "of an audio track" or "of audio tracks"? > > Not necessarily. It's a bit like saying "the job involves eating pieces of > chocolate bar&qu

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-208 - New Recordings Guidelines - Rev. 6

2013-04-19 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
1806.html > Sent from the MusicBrainz - Style mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ___ > MusicBrainz-style mailing list > MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org > http://lists.musicbrainz.o

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-208 - New Recordings Guidelines

2013-04-19 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
+1 2013/4/19 Tom Crocker > yep, and as and when (release) tracks get a page, a link to them > > > On 19 April 2013 11:07, symphonick wrote: > >> 2013/4/19 Frederic Da Vitoria >> >>> I was thinking of something simple, like those from your second group

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-208 - New Recordings Guidelines

2013-04-19 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
MusicBrainz-style mailing list >> MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org >> http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style >> > > > _______ > MusicBrainz-style mailing list > MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org >

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-208 - New Recordings Guidelines

2013-04-19 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
> I assume this refers to MB-tracks, as in the logical/technical divisions > of a release. As opposed to 'audio tracks' as defined in this proposal. > > > ___ > MusicBrainz-style mailing list > MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicb

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-208 - New Recordings Guidelines

2013-04-18 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
te' might be the problem. >> Some options: >> MusicBrainz Recordings do not* *designate* *any particular mastering. >> MusicBrainz Recordings **are not associated with* *any particular >> mastering. >> >> Overall, I think the definitions are okay but could

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-208 - New Recordings Guidelines

2013-04-18 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2013/4/18 symphonick > 2013/4/18 Frederic Da Vitoria > >> 2013/4/18 symphonick >> >>> >>> IMO the remasters section should be expanded to include masters or >>> "different masters". >>> >> >> I don't understand w

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-208 - New Recordings Guidelines

2013-04-18 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
Don't try to "explain" why a mastering is not a recording in MB. Most > mixing also happens after recording (unless you capture something using > multiple mics pre-mixed to stereo). > I think the idea is not to explain, but to make sure users will not accidentally mi

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-208 - New Recordings Guidelines

2013-04-18 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
Ah, right. I only missed the first sentence :-P 2013/4/18 Tom Crocker > That was why I took it out of the definition . But remasters don't involve > combining tracks, which is required in the definition of mix > On Apr 18, 2013 11:10 AM, "Frederic Da Vitoria" > wro

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-208 - New Recordings Guidelines

2013-04-18 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
http://musicbrainz.1054305.n4.nabble.com/RFC-STYLE-208-New-Recordings-Guidelines-tp4651054p4651699.html > Sent from the MusicBrainz - Style mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ___________ > MusicBrainz-style mailing list > MusicBrainz-style@lists

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-208 - New Recordings Guidelines - Rev. 4

2013-04-17 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
Also, shouldn't the definition page say how the duration is calculated. If it isn't stated here, I don't know where users would find it. 2013/4/17 Frederic Da Vitoria > "MusicBrainz Recordings do not indicate any particular mastering." isn't > quite clear to

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-208 - New Recordings Guidelines - Rev. 4

2013-04-17 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
e currently using it. > > >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://musicbrainz.1054305.n4.nabble.com/RFC-STYLE-208-New-Recordings-Guidelines-tp4651054p4651635.html >> Sent from the MusicBrainz - Style mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> _

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-208 - New Recordings Guidelines - Rev. 4

2013-04-16 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
e). Are we almost in a worse place than the current because > we're not saying 'unique' anywhere? > > > On 16 April 2013 14:49, lixobix wrote: > >> Frederic Da Vitoria wrote >> > I was referring to symphonick's last 2 suggestions, which were includ

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-208 - New Recordings Guidelines - Rev. 4

2013-04-16 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
There is something I like in the 5th definition: it separates the "released" aspect from the "unedited/edited/mixed" aspect. There is somethinkg I dislike in it: the first sentence is longer than the other definitions. 2013/4/16 lixobix > Frederic Da Vitoria wrote

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-208 - New Recordings Guidelines - Rev. 4

2013-04-16 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2013/4/16 lixobix > Frederic Da Vitoria wrote > > ...if a recording is released then edited and this edit is it self > > released, the edited recording would be > > considered as the same as the first... > > The definition clearly states these would be two recordings

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-208 - New Recordings Guidelines - Rev. 4

2013-04-16 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
Isn't this a tautology? Wouldn't "released" be enough? 2013/4/16 Tom Crocker > As I say, I liked the all recordings being released part. Previously > unreleased as in previous to its release. Because an audio track can be an > existing release. > On Apr 16, 201

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-208 - New Recordings Guidelines - Rev. 4

2013-04-16 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
what we want. In your question, I don't see the point in "previously unreleased". Previously to what? 2013/4/16 Tom Crocker > > > > On 16 April 2013 10:19, symphonick wrote: > >> 2013/4/16 Frederic Da Vitoria >> >>> 2013/4/16 Tom Crocker >

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-208 - New Recordings Guidelines - Rev. 4

2013-04-16 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
be enough. 2013/4/16 symphonick > 2013/4/16 Frederic Da Vitoria > >> 2013/4/16 Tom Crocker >> >>> >>> On 15 April 2013 22:26, symphonick wrote: >>> >>>> 2013/4/15 LordSputnik >>>> >>>>> I've done a small

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-208 - New Recordings Guidelines - Rev. 4

2013-04-16 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
roach will help because > it requires less of a mental leap for someone reading it the first time. > It's less likely we've forgotten to include some possible configuration. It > focuses on what matters, the things that define uniqueness, rather than how > processed or raw

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-208 - New Recordings Guidelines - Rev. 4

2013-04-16 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
d be made where a mono track has been > split into stereo, for example in > Duophonic<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duophonic>recordings." > I had a similar reaction. -- Frederic Da Vitoria (davitof) Membre de l'April - « promouvoir et défendre

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-208 - New Recordings Guidelines - Rev. 4

2013-04-15 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
Tom Crocker > Yep, I considered original and I'm not sure. It needs thinking about > because we should only be saying what is important. Does it matter if a > recording has been altered already? Anyway, something to ponder. I don't > have an answer yet. > > > On

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-208 - New Recordings Guidelines - Rev. 4

2013-04-15 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
uot; would be even better, because "source" could be relative (it could itself be already altered) while "original" seems to be less ambiguous. -- Frederic Da Vitoria (davitof) Membre de l'April - « promouvoir et défendre le logiciel libre » - http://www.april.org ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-208 - New Recordings Guidelines - Rev. 3

2013-04-15 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2013/4/15 Tom Crocker > > On 14 April 2013 21:10, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: > >> 2013/4/14 Tom Crocker >> >>> I imagined more people would offer an opinion. Can I check if there are >>> lots of people who think redefining recordings is a bad idea? >&g

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-208 - New Recordings Guidelines - Rev. 3

2013-04-14 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
rect terms is one of the most important things, one of the first things to consider. If "recording" can be understood with very different meanings by different users, and worse if they don't realize that this risk exists, then ban the word "recording" from the documentatio

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-208 - New Recordings Guidelines - Rev. 3

2013-04-13 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
_ > MusicBrainz-style mailing list > MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org > http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style > -- Frederic Da Vitoria (davitof) Membre de l'April - « promouvoir et défendre le logiciel libre » - htt

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-208 - New Recordings Guidelines - Rev. 3

2013-04-12 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
gs if it is not recordings, or at least reasonably close to it. A mix is not reasonably close to a recording IMO. 2013/4/12 lixobix > Frederic Da Vitoria wrote > > If we replace Recording with Mix (which > > we will do at some point), we get "A MusicBrainz Mix is defined as a >

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-208 - New Recordings Guidelines - Rev. 3

2013-04-12 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
; On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 5:12 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria > wrote: > >> If we replace Recording with Mix (which we will do at some point) >> > > Er, will we? What makes you think that, exactly? > > -- > Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren > >

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-208 - New Recordings Guidelines - Rev. 3

2013-04-12 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
s issue would probably be the correct word for it. But we are bound to have this kind of issue. The only way to avoid those issues would be to create our own words, to which we could attach the exact technical meaning we want without fear of misinterpretation. 2013/4/12 LordSputnik > Fred

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-208 - New Recordings Guidelines - Rev. 3

2013-04-12 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2013/4/12 lixobix > LordSputnik wrote > > I've done another update to the guidelines, to try to address the major > > issues since last time. I've added a section on edits, extended the remix > > section to cover dubs, versions and mixes, and added an example for the > > audio channels part of th

Re: [mb-style] RFC STYLE-168: Allow instruments/vocals in member of rels

2013-04-11 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
That's what I thought. I am a bit ashamed to say it took me a long time to notice one could select more than one line there. 2013/4/11 Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren > On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria > wrote: > >> Sorry, I was not clear enough as usual.

Re: [mb-style] RFC STYLE-168: Allow instruments/vocals in member of rels

2013-04-11 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
/11 Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren > On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria > wrote: > >> If the UI shows this, then I agree with your RFC as is. If not, I suggest >> you edit your example: "if an artist usually performs vocals and guitar for >> a band

Re: [mb-style] RFC STYLE-168: Allow instruments/vocals in member of rels

2013-04-11 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
; On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria > wrote: > >> IIUC, this new feature allows for only one instrument. Shouldn't "primary >> role(s) associated" really be "primary role associated" >> > > You, sir, are wrong! :) While usu

Re: [mb-style] RFC STYLE-168: Allow instruments/vocals in member of rels

2013-04-11 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
at we now have a way to link conductors to > groups. > > Ticket is at http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/STYLE-168 > Expected RFV date is April 18. > > -- > Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren > > ___ > MusicBrainz-style mailing lis

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-208 - New Recordings Guidelines

2013-04-11 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
Yes, that's also what I thought. I suggest the guide should mention that the first cover may not be a good indication of whether it is a mix or a remaster. Just to tell users not to follow blindly what is printed in big characters. 2013/4/11 symphonick > 2013/4/10 Frederic Da

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-208 - New Recordings Guidelines

2013-04-10 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
An other example of remix called "remaster": Jethro Tull's Lcomotive Breath. 2013/4/10 Frederic Da Vitoria > 2013/4/8 symphonick > >> corner case - something has been called a remaster but it's actually a >> remix? I think we can assume that most of the

Re: [mb-style] RFC: STYLE-208 - New Recordings Guidelines

2013-04-10 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
#x27;t expect to. The commercial meanings of those words as usual will become unrelated to their technical meanings. I'm not sure this is a corner case: what is the sure way to distinguish remasters from remixes if you forget what is printed? How do we know how frequently remaster has been used

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Add a "In homage to" relationship to works

2013-04-01 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
You are right, we could decide that if someone has a work dedicated to her/him,then he meets the condition for being stored in MB. This would allow us to create the AR. 2013/4/1 Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren > > > > On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria > wrote:

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Add a "In homage to" relationship to works

2013-04-01 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
_ > MusicBrainz-style mailing list > MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org > http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style > -- Frederic Da Vitoria (davitof) Membre de l'April - « promouvoir et défendre le logiciel libre » - http://www.a

Re: [mb-style] Pre-RFC: Lyricist relationship type addendum

2013-03-23 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2013/3/23 Rachel Dwight > > On Mar 23, 2013, at 7:39 AM, Frederic Da Vitoria > wrote: > > 2013/3/23 Rachel Dwight > >> >> On Mar 22, 2013, at 11:23 PM, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren < >> reosare...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On Fri, Mar

Re: [mb-style] Pre-RFC: Lyricist relationship type addendum

2013-03-23 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
nother proposal on the drawing board to restructure the language > table to cover regional dialects, but from the sound of things it's going > to need a LOT of work. > I don't understand the "translated" attribute. Why not a more general

Re: [mb-style] RFC STYLE-199: Update Style/Release Group for secondary types

2013-03-20 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2013/3/20 Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren > > On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Frederic Da Vitoria > wrote: >> >> Back to the RFC: I suggest again that simply replacing the "Type" section >> title with "Secondary Types" would solve the issue. In the U

Re: [mb-style] RFC STYLE-199: Update Style/Release Group for secondary types

2013-03-20 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2013/3/20 Kuno Woudt > Hello, > > On 03/19/2013 10:18 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: > > 2013/3/19 Ben Ockmore mailto:ben.s...@gmail.com>> > > > > I agree that something should be said about Primary types. There > > could perhaps be something o

Re: [mb-style] RFC STYLE-199: Update Style/Release Group for secondary types

2013-03-19 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
uld be the name of those other pages) For example, shouldn't the explanations about single be in the style page? -- Frederic Da Vitoria (davitof) Membre de l'April - « promouvoir et défendre le logiciel libre » - http://www.april.org _

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Orchestration AR

2013-03-18 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
ge to define distinct works outside the scope of classical music, so please use whichever general usage applies best in this case." Please correct my English first, I am not sure what I just wrote is clear enough :-) -- Frederic Da Vitoria (davitof) Membre de l'April -

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Orchestration AR

2013-03-18 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2013/3/18 Frederic Da Vitoria > 2013/3/18 symphonick > >> 2013/3/10 symphonick >> >>> http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-6002 >>> http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Symphonick/Orchestration >>> >>> This RFC will expire Sunday, March 1

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Arrangement works and other versions

2013-03-16 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
ompletely different performances as the same Work sometimes misses an important musical point. Any method to enable some way to split (without generating one Work for each cover) is good news to me. -- Frederic Da Vitoria (davitof) Membre de l'April - « promouvoir et défendre le logiciel libre

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Arrangement works and other versions

2013-03-15 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2013/3/15 symphonick > This proposal seem to have stalled. Are there issues that need to be > fixed, or can I get a +1? > +1 BTW, I wish there was a way to hide the start date and end date attributes when they are not relevant. Maybe it is already possible? -- Frederic Da Vitoria

Re: [mb-style] RFC: [STYLE-200] Add "Operetta" work type

2013-03-15 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
direct support for this type. > > I was not able to found any previous suggestions to add this type > (except for one proposal to significantly extend work types). > > Please comment on this > No comment, this is obviously needed IMO. +1 -- Frederic Da Vitoria (davitof) Memb

Re: [mb-style] RFC STYLE-199: Update Style/Release Group for secondary types

2013-03-11 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2013/3/11 Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren > > On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria > wrote: > >> 2013/3/11 Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren >> >>> The guidelines for type on >>> http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Release_Group are incorrect now that &

Re: [mb-style] RFC STYLE-199: Update Style/Release Group for secondary types

2013-03-11 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
types?" I believe it should at least first explain that there are Primary types and secondary types. Further explanations would probably be more for a user guide than for a style guide. -- Frederic Da Vitoria (davitof) Membre de l'April - « promouvoir et défe

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Arrangement works and other versions

2013-03-10 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2013/3/10 symphonick > I've updated the proposal with "Fly me to the moon". > Shouldn't "CSG" be a link? You are referring to CSG to define what a work is, but what about when the works are not classical music? -- Frederic Da Vitoria (davitof) Membre de l

Re: [mb-style] Locations and the upcoming schema change

2013-03-09 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Frederic Da Vitoria > wrote: > >> 2013/3/8 SwissChris >> >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria >> > wrote: >>> >>>> Ah, but I wasn't speaking of "political" border

Re: [mb-style] Locations and the upcoming schema change

2013-03-09 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2013/3/8 SwissChris > > On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria > wrote: > >> Ah, but I wasn't speaking of "political" borders. I was saying that >> historical borders had a major cultural signification, and that current >> political bord

Re: [mb-style] Locations and the upcoming schema change

2013-03-08 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
tates or > what nationality an artist born in Alsace at a certain date should be > credited to. > > If we can find a reliable external source for such historical entities > (like we did for "countries"): great! If not, what we have now will (have > to) suffice… > &g

Re: [mb-style] Locations and the upcoming schema change

2013-03-08 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
s which we wouldn't want to cope with at this early stage, but I can't understand saying that the historical country is not worth considering. Or did I misunderstand "sufficient"? -- Frederic Da Vitoria (davitof) Membre de l'April - « promouvoir et défendre le logiciel l

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Create guidelines for crediting remixes where original artist is not credited on release

2013-03-08 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2013/3/8 Kuno Woudt > Hello, > > On 03/08/2013 10:23 AM, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: > > The concept of single Artist is flawed. Who are we decide that this > > artist or that artist is to be The track Artist (or The release Artist > > for that matter)? > > I do

Re: [mb-style] RFC2 STYLE-121: Track numbering

2013-03-08 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
into movement titles, data like "bonus disk" into release titles... We have to find a balance between doing things right from the start and losing information because of the schema change delay. -- Frederic Da Vitoria (davitof) Membre de l&

Re: [mb-style] RFC2 STYLE-121: Track numbering

2013-03-08 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
ack number then? Is track 1 on the first side "11"? > "11"? No, simply use a delimiter to separate the side identifier from > the track identifier. Say, "1 1" or "1.1". I prefer the former. I believe there should *always* be a delimiter between the si

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Create guidelines for crediting remixes where original artist is not credited on release

2013-03-08 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
k listing on the back cover. Of course, we can and should try to define exceptions to the rules, in order to avoid as much as possible silly consequences. But those exceptions should stay simple and easy to decide. -- Frederic Da Vitoria (davitof) Membre de l'April - « prom

Re: [mb-style] RFV: CSG for Works, part I

2013-03-07 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
and I only dreamed about Works in MB :-) I agree it is outdated and should be put away, but not before we are sure it is replaced. -- Frederic Da Vitoria (davitof) Membre de l'April - « promouvoir et défendre le logiciel libre » - http://www.april.org _

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Arrangement works and other versions

2013-03-07 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2013/3/7 symphonick > 2013/3/7 Frederic Da Vitoria > >> 2013/3/7 symphonick >> >>> 2013/3/7 Frederic Da Vitoria >>> >>>> 2013/3/7 symphonick >>>> >>>>> 2013/3/7 Frederic Da Vitoria >>>>> >

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Arrangement works and other versions

2013-03-07 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2013/3/7 symphonick > 2013/3/7 Frederic Da Vitoria > >> 2013/3/7 symphonick >> >>> 2013/3/7 Frederic Da Vitoria >>> >>>> 2013/3/7 symphonick >>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Symphonick

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Arrangement works and other versions

2013-03-07 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2013/3/7 symphonick > 2013/3/7 Frederic Da Vitoria > >> 2013/3/7 symphonick >> >>> >>> http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Symphonick/Has_Arrangement_Relationship_Type >>> >>> Proposal rewritten. Resetting the clock; it will expire on Thu

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Arrangement works and other versions

2013-03-07 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
entified the correct JSB work. I can't think of anything else. -- Frederic Da Vitoria (davitof) Membre de l'April - « promouvoir et défendre le logiciel libre » - http://www.april.org ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@list

Re: [mb-style] My CSG roadmap

2013-03-06 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2013/3/6 symphonick > I made a page with notes about my planned proposals and more. Comments, > questions and suggestions welcome. > Maybe you should post a link to that page ;-) -- Frederic Da Vitoria (davitof) Membre de l'April - « promouvoir et défendre le logiciel

Re: [mb-style] Work-Work summary

2013-03-06 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2013/3/6 symphonick > 2013/3/6 Frederic Da Vitoria > >> 2013/3/6 symphonick >> >>> 2013/3/6 Frederic Da Vitoria >>> >>>> 2013/3/5 symphonick >>>> >>>>> And can you explain when a new version is not "based on&quo

Re: [mb-style] Work-Work summary

2013-03-06 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2013/3/6 symphonick > 2013/3/6 Frederic Da Vitoria > >> 2013/3/5 symphonick >> >>> And can you explain when a new version is not "based on"? >>> >> >> I have been thinking about this since yesterday, but I'm not very happy &

Re: [mb-style] Work-Work summary

2013-03-06 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2013/3/5 symphonick > And can you explain when a new version is not "based on"? > I have been thinking about this since yesterday, but I'm not very happy with the result. If someone has better ideas... -- Frederic Da Vitoria (davitof) Membre de l'April - « promouvo

Re: [mb-style] Work-Work summary

2013-03-05 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2013/3/5 David Gasaway > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Frederic Da Vitoria > wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I have started assembling a general guideline about when to use ther >> different Work-Work ARs: >> http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:DavitoF/How_To_

Re: [mb-style] Work-Work summary

2013-03-05 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2013/3/5 symphonick > 2013/3/5 Frederic Da Vitoria > >> Hello, >> >> I have started assembling a general guideline about when to use ther >> different Work-Work ARs: >> http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:DavitoF/How_To_Link_Works_Together >> >> Th

[mb-style] Work-Work summary

2013-03-05 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
se I can't decide if the title should use the French or the English spelling, but also because I can't decide if the Revision or Version AR should be used? -- Frederic Da Vitoria (davitof) Membre de l'April - « promouvoir et défend

Re: [mb-style] RFV: CSG for Works, part I

2013-03-05 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
ge it's translated into (it's not like they will > be many, with very rare exceptions)... > I agree, some operas have more than one translation, so this rule may make users use a pre-existing translation because they don't know who the ac

Re: [mb-style] Locations and the upcoming schema change

2013-03-05 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
f label countries. If you have > more general questions or comments about my changes, however, please direct > those to me privately, so we can keep this thread cleaner. > > -- > Ian McEwen > A262 D5C4 40CB 0E1C 5F24 C3A1 ABED 1ABD 7131 A76F > http://ianmcorvid

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Revision Works

2013-03-04 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2013/3/4 symphonick > > 2013/3/4 Frederic Da Vitoria > >> >> How_Works_Are_Related or How_To_Relate_Works ? Anyhow, my RFC is not out >> yet and we have we have until the RFV to decide :-) >> >> > BTW if someone wants to see a RFV for _this_ proposal, I

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Revision Works

2013-03-04 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2013/3/4 Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren > > On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria > wrote: > >> 2013/3/4 Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren >> >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria >> > wrote: >>> >&

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Revision Works

2013-03-04 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2013/3/4 Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren > > On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria > wrote: > >> 2013/3/4 symphonick >> >>> 2013/3/4 Frederic Da Vitoria >>> >>>> 2013/3/4 symphonick >>>> >>>>> 201

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Revision Works

2013-03-04 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2013/3/4 symphonick > 2013/3/4 Frederic Da Vitoria > >> 2013/3/4 symphonick >> >>> 2013/3/4 Frederic Da Vitoria >>> >>>> >>>> I wonder about "Revising music can include arranging. Do not use >>>> another "ve

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Revision Works

2013-03-04 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2013/3/4 symphonick > 2013/3/4 Frederic Da Vitoria > >> >> I wonder about "Revising music can include arranging. Do not use another >> "version of"-relationship at the same time as revision." I understand the >> second sentence, but I am unsur

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Revision Works

2013-03-04 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
Revising music can include arranging. Do not use another "version of"-relationship at the same time as revision." I understand the second sentence, but I am unsure about the first. -- Frederic Da Vitoria (davitof) Membre de l'April - « promouvoir et défendre le logiciel libr

Re: [mb-style] RFC: CSG Works part I: Works definition

2013-03-03 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2013/3/3 symphonick > 2013/3/3 Frederic Da Vitoria > >> 2013/3/2 symphonick >> >>> 2013/3/2 Frederic Da Vitoria >>> >>>> I wonder about "not" adding a disambiguation comment for generic >>>> versions. I'd actually d

Re: [mb-style] RFC: CSG Works part I: Works definition

2013-03-03 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2013/3/2 symphonick > 2013/3/2 Frederic Da Vitoria > >> I wonder about "not" adding a disambiguation comment for generic >> versions. I'd actually do the reverse: define a standard comment in order >> to be able to easily select all generic works. Or may

Re: [mb-style] RFC: CSG Works part I: Works definition

2013-03-03 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
rue every time you link a full performance of a > multi-part work - say a piano sonata - to the main work. You can't find all > performances of the first movement of "Moonlight sonata" in one place. > Right. So this would have to be solved by making the queries smarter. --

Re: [mb-style] RFC: CSG Works part I: Works definition

2013-03-02 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2013/3/2 caller#6 > On 03/02/2013 11:10 AM, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: > > Or maybe generic works will be marked with an Advanced Property (I > > keep forgetting their actual name, but IIUC they should be implemented > > soon). > Dynamic Attributes? > http://tickets

Re: [mb-style] RFC: CSG Works part I: Works definition

2013-03-02 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
es forms a layer independent from the music that doesn't > fit into the current work schema > -- Frederic Da Vitoria (davitof) Membre de l'April - « promouvoir et défendre le logiciel libre » - http://www.april.org ___ MusicBrainz-style ma

Re: [mb-style] RFC: CSG Works part I: Works definition

2013-02-28 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2013/2/28 David Gasaway > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria > wrote: > >> Hmm, this means that if I am looking for recordings of "Non piu andrai", >> MB won't be able to give an exhaustive list, won't it? >> > > I

Re: [mb-style] RFC: CSG Works part I: Works definition

2013-02-28 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
ar arias and such; perhaps even to > be helpful for less experienced editors? > Hmm, this means that if I am looking for recordings of "Non piu andrai", MB won't be able to give an exhaustive list, won't it? -- Frederic Da Vitoria (davitof) Membre de l'April

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Revision Works

2013-02-28 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
itions spread over the different possibilities and if it would be advisable to cross-link them in the guides. -- Frederic Da Vitoria (davitof) Membre de l'April - « promouvoir et défendre le logiciel libre » - http://www.april.org ___ MusicBrainz-st

Re: [mb-style] RFC: CSG Works part I: Works definition

2013-02-28 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2013/2/28 symphonick > 2013/2/28 Frederic Da Vitoria > >> 2013/2/28 Lemire, Sebastien >> >> How about just leaving out Opera, and perhaps ballet out of this proposal >>> and we could have an RFC just for them without interrupting the other works >>>

Re: [mb-style] RFC: CSG Works part I: Works definition

2013-02-28 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
cerpt works or that you should be forced to use them. Or should we >>> just say nothing about it, opera will be a complete mess anyway? :-( >>> >> >> Subdividing opera is a big problem. Even when numbers are split, the >> name of the number is just some part

Re: [mb-style] RFC: CSG Works part I: Works definition

2013-02-27 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2013/2/27 symphonick > 2013/2/27 Frederic Da Vitoria > >> 2013/2/27 symphonick >> >>> 2013/2/27 ListMyCDs.com >>> >>> On 27.2.2013 13:09, symphonick wrote: >>>> >>>> > I disagree. Every arrangement that exists is not a va

Re: [mb-style] RFC: CSG Works part I: Works definition

2013-02-27 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
C for a new AR? > It is not only one AR missing, I am counting at least 4 here and there is no reason this is all that would be missing. The only sensible answer I can see would be to consider that these are works. -- Frederic Da Vitoria (davitof) Membr

Re: [mb-style] RFC: CSG Works part I: Works definition

2013-02-27 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2013/2/27 ListMyCDs.com > On 27.2.2013 10:59, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: > > 2013/2/27 ListMyCDs.com > <mailto:musicbra...@listmycds.com>> > > > If three works would be connected together with relationships, middle > > one might be missing thanks to

Re: [mb-style] RFC: CSG Works part I: Works definition

2013-02-27 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2013/2/26 symphonick > 2013/2/26 Frederic Da Vitoria > >> 2013/2/26 symphonick >> >>> >>> http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/STYLE-195 >>> http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Symphonick/CSG_Works >>> >>> >> >> > &q

Re: [mb-style] RFC: CSG Works part I: Works definition

2013-02-27 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
e most recent common ancestor to two Works which are in the MB database." Do you have examples where a similar rule would be needed for arrangements? -- Frederic Da Vitoria (davitof) Membre de l'April - « promouvoir et défendre le logiciel libre » - http://www.april.org _

Re: [mb-style] RFC: CSG Works part I: Works definition

2013-02-26 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
typo: "recoding" -> "recording" It took me some time to understand why you wrote "Do not confuse audio excerpts (edited recordings) with a deliberate performance of an excerpt." I believe you should explain, something like "an audio excerpt should be linked to

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Arrangement works and other versions

2013-02-25 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
rticular > arrangement or another. > > I think the distinction we should make should be based on how creatively > different an arrangement is from the original work, but that needs a more > concrete definition. > I agree with the suggestion, but I agree too this is probably going

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Revision Works

2013-02-25 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2013/2/24 symphonick > > 2013/2/24 Frederic Da Vitoria > >> 2013/2/24 ListMyCDs.com >> >> On 24.2.2013 13:29, LordSputnik wrote: >>> > "Only use Revision to link surviving works. Do not enter works that >>> cannot be >>> > p

Re: [mb-style] RFC-194: "Book" Work Type

2013-02-24 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
lieve nothing related to music should be outside the scope of MB :-) -- Frederic Da Vitoria (davitof) Membre de l'April - « promouvoir et défendre le logiciel libre » - http://www.april.org ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrai

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Revision Works

2013-02-24 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
se numbers performed. If someone would > create a time line based on dates from relationships, we could also see > that composer wasn't having a long break but was busy with a work which > is currently missing. > Yes, I agree too -- Frederic Da Vitoria (davitof) Me

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