2011/3/23 Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren reosare...@gmail.com:
On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Maurits Meulenbelt
maurits.meulenb...@gmail.com wrote:
Don't all silent tracks on a release have an artistic purpose? Otherwise I
don't think they would be on the release. I'd keep them separate.
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[1]
http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Proposal:Bandleader_Position_Relationship_Type_Proposal
On 11 March 2011 23:37,
Hi,
A ticket has been filed regarding extra fields for ETI:
http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-1608
Jan (zout)
On 13 January 2011 21:25, ChurruKa churr...@hangar18.cc wrote:
(The feature req. I sent was about subtitles, but I think the
principle is the same)
2011/1/13 ChurruKa
)[3]. Might be what 'both
sides' can live with.
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[2]
http://www.midgard-project.org/discussion/developer-forum/forum-to-mailing_list_integration/
[3] http://mail2forum.com/
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we do like about the current name is guess though, it is
only a guess, so something which doesn't make it sound too much like it
will definitely be right would be nice.
So, any ideas? :)
What about Guess Style Format? Or would that be too long?
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be allowed.
Same rationale has been used on
http://musicbrainz.org/release/ade21fff-dba2-438f-8e31-5325c4afb05f.html
.
What do you think?
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On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Jan van Thiel z...@musicbrainz.org wrote:
On 27 February 2010 17:02, Brian Schweitzer
brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Jan van Thiel z
On 27 February 2010 17:02, Brian Schweitzer
brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Jan van Thiel z...@musicbrainz.org wrote:
This is a fourth RFC, rephrased compared to the third RFC. On the JIRA
bug tracker this RFC is located at [4].
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Hi,
This is a fourth RFC, rephrased compared to the third RFC. On the JIRA
bug tracker this RFC is located at [4].
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Relationship Type[1].
The phrase for this attribute could read This attribute describes if
the lyrics are a
No-one replied to this, so it has been accepted!
Jan
2009/8/4 Jan van Thiel z...@musicbrainz.org
Hi,
I'd like to see DCC (Digital Compact Cassette)[1] being added as
media format. We already have MiniDisc, which is similar.
The name in the format list can be DCC.
The RFC was posted
2009/8/11 Gioele gio...@svario.it:
right now there are no clear guidelines on how to deal with compilations
that combine tracks from more than one soundtrack.
The current trend is to name these tracks using the Movie name: Track name
template. I like this template and I'd like to put forward
Hi,
I'd like to see DCC (Digital Compact Cassette)[1] being added as
media format. We already have MiniDisc, which is similar.
The name in the format list can be DCC.
The RFC was posted on April 25th and no-one objected:
than one part in the title,
it's just been kept as is, no fixing.)
Brian
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Jan van Thiel z...@musicbrainz.org wrote:
I want to see real-life MB examples of all cases presented in the draft.
Jan
2009/7/20 Chris B ch...@whenironsattack.com:
i still think
I want to see real-life MB examples of all cases presented in the draft.
Jan
2009/7/20 Chris B ch...@whenironsattack.com:
i still think that dropping the various spacing rules and just having
either X-Y or X to Y is better.
it's consistent, looks more natural, and these language issues with
2009/7/16 meindu...@nurfuerspam.de:
I'd like to re-open the discussion here whether this sentence shall be
removed from the guideline or not.
+1 for removal.
Jan
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Does that means that a non-artist person can be added in the database
just for this relationship?
We already have photography etc.?
Jan
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I'd like to see DCC (Digital Compact Cassette)[1] being added as
media format. We already have MiniDisc, which is similar.
The name in the format list can be DCC.
Jan
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Compact_Cassette
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I am all for adding support for more, and more detailed, formats. However,
I suggest that, as with the already-accepted Blu-ray, HD-DVD, and DVD-Audio
formats, this, and the rest of
2009/4/24 Kuno Woudt k...@frob.nl:
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 07:38:17PM -0400, Brian Schweitzer wrote:
Please, stop the condesension. Example != guideline. There is no need, nor
reason, to revert. The example, as I have pointed out many times now, is
just as correct, per the current
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And can you show where any of these examples should contain spaces in
the part numbering to get more clarity?
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Just trying any number greater than 12, at random, I see several perfectly
valid Part 20 results right now:
http://musicbrainz.org/search/textsearch.html?query=%22Part+20%22type=tracklimit=25handlearguments=1
As for 1a and 1-1,
And can you show where any of these examples should contain spaces in
the part numbering to get more clarity?
2009/4/21 Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com:
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 3:10 AM, Jan van Thiel janvanth...@gmail.com
wrote:
2009/4/21 Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit
2009/4/18 Bogdan Butnaru bogd...@gmail.com:
By the way, this disambiguates numbering schemes with sub-parts, e.g.
“Parts 1-3–3-7”, or “Parts twenty-two–seventy-nine”.
On the other hand, I see no reason why we wouldn't simply have as a
rule “spell things out whenever the dash would be
2009/4/16 Aaron Cooper coope...@gmail.com:
My vote is for a)... no extra spaces.
+1
Jan
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I propose something, people object, it is amended to add
'significantly altered', people object to the 'significantly altered'
part. I don't know what should be done now. Drop this proposal?
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Proposal:
Change item #5 in the SortNameSytle to read as follows:
If an ArtistName consists of two or more collaborating artists, each
individual name is sorted separately according to the rules below. The
separator (e.g. and, with, vs., y, et, comma,
Hi,
This is a third RFC, somewhat altered. It specifically excludes 'based
on'/'adaption' lyrics and is rephrased from the second RFC.
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The phrase for this attribute could read This attribute describes if
2009/3/27 Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com:
2009/3/27 Jan van Thiel janvanth...@gmail.com
2009/3/27 Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com:
2009/3/27 Jan van Thiel janvanth...@gmail.com
Parody translations (which should be link with
ParodyRelationshipAttribute[2
2009/3/27 SwissChris swissch...@gmail.com:
What I could imagine to work would be a check box (like for the cover
relationship), which for the lyricistAR allows to pick
– original (= wrote the lyrics of the original version)
– translated (= wrote the lyrics of the translated/adapted version in
2009/1/13 Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com:
2009/1/13 Jan van Thiel janvanth...@gmail.com
2009/1/13 Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com:
2009/1/13 Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com
2009/1/13 Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com
2009/1/13 Jan van Thiel janvanth
2009/3/27 Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com:
2009/3/27 Jan van Thiel janvanth...@gmail.com
Parody translations (which should be link with
ParodyRelationshipAttribute[2] of the CoverRelationshipType[3]) and
lyrics that are based on lyrics in another language that have altered
location
2009/3/2 Kuno Woudt k...@frob.nl:
On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 04:30:09PM +0100, Jan van Thiel wrote:
We can only get rid of feat. in titles if there is an AR artist X
features on release/track Y. Otherwise the information that an artist
is explicitly credited as featuring artist will be lost
2009/3/2 Kuno Woudt k...@frob.nl:
On Mon, Mar 02, 2009 at 11:54:51AM +0100, Maurits Meulenbelt wrote:
In my opinion the feat. is a leftover form the bad old days when there
were no AR's. Personally I only enter them when they're mentioned this
way on the case, and if I do, I follow the case
2009/1/13 Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com:
2009/1/13 Jan van Thiel janvanth...@gmail.com
2009/1/13 Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com:
2009/1/13 Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com
2009/1/13 Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com
2009/1/13 Jan van Thiel janvanth
2009/1/14 Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com:
2009/1/14 Jan van Thiel janvanth...@gmail.com
OK, this sounds like something different than a 'simple' translation.
But how where do we draw the line? What is a simple translation and
what is adapted/transposed?
As usual, there is no clear
Please regard the attachment, my bad.
2009/1/13 Jan van Thiel janvanth...@gmail.com:
Hi,
I'd like to see attribute 'translated' added to the CoverRelationshipType[1].
The phrase for this attribute could read This attribute indicates a
cover with the lyrics in a different language than
*dis*regard ;)
2009/1/13 Jan van Thiel janvanth...@gmail.com:
Please regard the attachment, my bad.
2009/1/13 Jan van Thiel janvanth...@gmail.com:
Hi,
I'd like to see attribute 'translated' added to the CoverRelationshipType[1].
The phrase for this attribute could read This attribute
/13 Jan van Thiel janvanth...@gmail.com:
*dis*regard ;)
2009/1/13 Jan van Thiel janvanth...@gmail.com:
Please regard the attachment, my bad.
2009/1/13 Jan van Thiel janvanth...@gmail.com:
Hi,
I'd like to see attribute 'translated' added to the
CoverRelationshipType[1].
The phrase
AM, Jan van Thiel janvanth...@gmail.com
wrote:
And to raise the spam level even more: original message wasn't sent
because the attachment I accidentally attached was too big.
Original message:
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I'd like to see attribute 'translated' added to the
CoverRelationshipType[1
Hi,
I'd like to see attribute 'translated' added to the LyricistRelationshipType[1].
The phrase for this attribute could read This attribute describes if
the lyrics are a translation of the same work in another language.
This should only be used for lyrics that are really translations (e.g.
, 2009 at 6:13 AM, Jan van Thiel janvanth...@gmail.com
wrote:
And to raise the spam level even more: original message wasn't sent
because the attachment I accidentally attached was too big.
Original message:
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I'd like to see attribute 'translated' added
2009/1/13 Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com:
2009/1/13 Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com
2009/1/13 Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com
2009/1/13 Jan van Thiel janvanth...@gmail.com
Hi,
I'd like to see attribute 'translated' added to the
LyricistRelationshipType[1
Why is this needed at all? 'Earliest release of' and 'Remaster of' ARs
can be taken advantage of right now if you write some software. This
new AR will be attached to exactly the same releases as these two ARs.
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Why is this needed at all? 'Earliest release of' and 'Remaster of' ARs
can be taken advantage of right now if you write some software. This
new AR will be attached to exactly the same releases as these two ARs.
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2008/10/8 Jim DeLaHunt [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2008, Toni Panadès wrote:
LSS it's a group where the main artist is Dennis White (AKA Static
Revenger), and in some places (and on the cover of the album) appears
as Static Revenger presents Love Song Surprise
What you think? I
Can you give some examples of track series?
Jan (zout)
2008/9/24 Chris B [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
it might already be your intention, could we use this AR to link both
releases and tracks? some track 'series' are spread across different
releases, so it would be useful to link those i think (and to
2008/9/25 Chris B [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
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Can you give some examples of track series?
Jan (zout)
sure -
on the same release:
http://musicbrainz.org/release/eddc2843-d3dd-48ba-b1c9-2ad509570aaa.html
across different releases (track 4 and 2
2008/8/18 Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I believe that unique tracks should have unique track names across all
releases. This seems to be essential for distinguishability of tracks by
their track names, effectively describing any differences in sound (ie
unique tracks) with unique, specific track
2008/8/5 Lukáš Lalinský [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
part of the previous discussion was migrating the wiki to either
MoinMoin 1.6 or MediaWiki. A MediaWiki instance is now set up on
http://mediawiki.musicbrainz.org/ with the latest version of our current
wiki (no history). Can you please play with it,
2008/8/5 Lukáš Lalinský [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Dňa Ut, 2008-08-05 o 14:54 +0200, Jan van Thiel napísal:
2008/8/5 Lukáš Lalinský [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
part of the previous discussion was migrating the wiki to either
MoinMoin 1.6 or MediaWiki. A MediaWiki instance is now set up on
http
2008/6/26 Kuno Woudt [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I would like to have an AR to group multiple discs of a single releases.
This would be intended as a temporary solution until we get proper
release and boxset support with NGS.
Considering this, not all that much time should be wasted on it.
In it's
On Oct 30, 2007 9:36 AM, Frederic Da Vitoria [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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On Sat, Oct 27, 2007 at 04:08:41PM +0200, Jan van Thiel wrote:
I started the wiki page for ReleaseTitle almost 2 years ago. Guess
it's time to make it official ;)
I wasn't
On 11/3/07, Brian Schweitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If I'm adding an AR to a track, it specifically applies to that track. If
I'm adding an AR to a release, theoretically it applies to every track, but
I will put money on the fact that this isn't actually true for each and
every single
Hi,
I started the wiki page for ReleaseTitle almost 2 years ago. Guess
it's time to make it official ;)
I hereby request http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/ReleaseTitle to contain
the official definition of a release titles and the order of its
parts.
Jan (zout)
On 3/5/07, Rod Begbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There are a few series of compilation discs available where an artist
or group compiles songs they like or were influenced by. Examples
include:
[...]
Currently, these discs are sometimes filed under the compiling artist,
and sometimes under
On 10/19/06, Don Redman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:10:24 +0200, David Gibson wrote:
As far as I can tell, the current style guideline information doesn't
have any examples covering the intersection of DiscNumberStyle and
ClassicalStyleGuide. Which order should the
On 9/20/06, Don Redman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
To me it looks like there is a difference in what people understand under
album. In the past, MusicBrainz has had a very formal definition of an
album. It is my impression that Chris and Aaron are bringing in a
definition which is much more
On 9/20/06, Lauri Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Imagine the possibilities. You could totally have a live spoken word
ep, performance poetry perhaps. Or an audiobook compilation album
(say, excerpts from a series, or a collection of HG Wells short
stories for instance, that have been
On 9/2/06, Mangled [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2006/9/2, Bogdan Butnaru [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Since we're already discussing English capitalization, can we please
also discuss these two other special cases:
1) Script-o-Rama, Ping-o-Matic: I always see these with the 'O'
capitalized, but it seems
, a pirate release. And I
don't think we should add these. Whether they're released as torrents
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After 10 days no veto was issued on SplitReleaseTitleStyle. Therefore,
I've made it official[1][2].
[1] http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/SplitReleaseTitleStyle
[2] http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/RecentStyleChanges
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'translation'. If you want
an AR to link '99 Red Balloons' to ''99 Luftballons' this probably is
best somehow placed in the 'cover of' AR branch.
I suggest you start another thread on this, as this only RFV only
deals with the transl(iter)ation of titles, not lyrics.
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artist). This should probably
appear as First half title / Second part title.
I've added this to the guideline at
http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/SplitReleaseTitleStyle .
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how people can work together on making music. This is a
new approach to the Artist Type. We can go there, but we need to make
sure we cover all cases before implementing this.
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) name for something that doesn't already have one.
True. I should've said something like Various Artists Compilation.
Maybe a better argument: if only the artist names are mentioned on the
cover, it seems strange to me to add something like 'Split' to the
title.
Citerar Jan van Thiel [EMAIL
On 7/4/06, Don Redman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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I've created http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/SplitReleaseTitleStyle and
like to have comments. Thanks!
I think that page should state very clearly that the artist should be
Various Artists
Hi,
I hereby request IMDbRelationshipStyle[1] to be made official. The
content of this guideline is already widely applied.
If you strongly oppose it, please post a veto.
[1]: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/IMDbRelationshipStyle
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Why link only to the earliest release?
The listed rationale is Reducing duplicated content/effort.
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Why link only to the earliest release?
The listed rationale is Reducing duplicated content/effort.
Yep, I read that. But why? :) From
' is completely arbitrarily
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The SortNameStyle has been made official. This guideline can be found
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ambiguous.
- SameTrackRelationshipType is the AR that can state that two tracks
have the same content; no need to rename them all to the same name.
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will be if not impossible, take lots and lots and lots of
work to get back.
Can't we just nuke the stupid (album version) rule once and for all? Please?
What they said. Please!
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we have anything to decide there.
Agreed. teleGUISE, I think it's safe to say you can change these wiki
pages accordingly. It seems the server software already uses this
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relationship page which disallows to add links to
this kind of custom ASINs.
I agree with this. I also think we need to have an actual link to the
page, not a 1x1 pixel link.
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On 5/25/06, Frederic Da Vitoria [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Some people (not only MB users) omit major, and specify only
minor. The CSG recommends writing major/minor in lower case, but it
doesn't say if major can be omitted. Personally, I'd prefer always
specifying it (because there is also the
camp at that time, and still am)
To stay on topic: I agree with you both that it's not a good idea to
let hidden tracks also be entered as non-album tracks.
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Song is followed by a long silence and then by
Funny Little Song, the correct track title would be Some Long Song /
Funny Little Song.
Correct?
Yes, that's how it is in the guidelines at the moment.
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another way to deal with style issues. I can hardly keep
up with the way to have an issue discussed as it is. And I don't
consider myself a newbie with respect to style guideline proposals.
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process; they're only usefull if all transitions are clearly defined.
We seem to have a process defined at the moment; let's keep it at
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misuse [7].
Holland is definitely wrong. I usually use 'The Netherlands' and
probably am responsible for renaming most titles ;) I think 'The'
should be included, to indicate it's plural and because I like it
better.
zout (from the Netherlands)
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if it were used to differentiate
between two tracks of the same title on the same album).
DonRedman
Yes, I agree with Don.
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be able to retrieve
the dvds entered!
I think it's not that hard for a person with database access to run a
query the lists albums that have the word 'dvd' in their annotations.
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Enter every
release as a different entry in the database
[...]
I fully agree with Stefan here.
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it, it must me added.
Period. Whether javascript is needed or not. That's somebody else's
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= 0 to 10) { print i }
[argument: it's more flexible!]
c) i=0; do { print i; i = i + 1 } until ( i 10 )
...
Well, a is the only correct solution :) Or there are not correct
solutions if you define 'from 1 to 10' in another way ;)
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tracks
have to be added later? What DVD content should be added, what not? Do
we add non-musical artists? Etc.
These questions, and probably a lot more, have to be addressed?
GoodWikiName anyone? ;)
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in the database. Without this person, there is no way to link the two.
But in general, I think adding non-musicians is not the way to go.
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Thanks. But as we're a *community*, please help out with
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at all?
It's treated as a 'regular' VA artist album, with albumartistname and
albumartistsortname as variables to be used to tag music. But we're
getting off-topic here ;)
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. If an
album is released in even just six or seven of the EU nations, think how
much effort you'll have to go to to fix an incorrect date.
Not to mention the fact that the set of countries varies/gets bigger
over time... So we'd have to define different 'versions' of the EU.
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On 1/10/06, Tarragon M. Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
However, in film credits for story, screenplay, etc., indicates a closer
collaboration than and; in screenplays, for example, two authors joined
with collaborated on the script, while two authors joined with and wrote
the script at
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