Re: [mb-style] Results of the Recordings IRC meetings

2013-01-25 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 1:14 AM, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren reosare...@musicbrainz.org wrote: It would also be good to hear from Lukas on how this would affect acoustID. I don't have much to say about this. I'm sure there will be an obvious solution once there is a plan now to migrate the

[mb-style] Genre support

2011-12-12 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
Hi, This discussion is a little off-topic here, but I can't think of a better group of active MB users to discuss a feature like this. I'd like MB to have some support for genres. This was apparently discussed at the last MB summit, but I don't know details about that.

Re: [mb-style] Genre support

2011-12-12 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
a genre called Psychadelic Trance, which has its origins in Trance, which is a style of Electronic music. Lukas 2011/12/12 Lukáš Lalinský lalin...@gmail.com: Hi, This discussion is a little off-topic here, but I can't think of a better group of active MB users to discuss a feature like this. I'd

Re: [mb-style] Works and remixes/covers

2011-11-09 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 9:30 AM, MeinDummy meindu...@nurfuerspam.de wrote: This discussion seems to have faded out now. There are many unresolved specific issues regarding covers, translations, instrumentals, ... Most of them are beyond the remix work topic and should probably be further

Re: [mb-style] CSG - Track recording standardization, linking recordings, removing duplicate works ARs

2011-10-23 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Jim DeLaHunt from.nab...@jdlh.com wrote: Lemire, Sebastien-2 wrote:    - To keep a certain link with the original album I don't think we should    normalize track lists but the recordings themselves can appear on various    releases (where each release can

Re: [mb-style] Merging conductor and choirmaster

2011-08-28 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
And also back in 2007 by me :) http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.musicbrainz.style/3637 Lukas On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Nikki aei...@gmail.com wrote: This was actually suggested a while back in

Re: [mb-style] Sidebar links

2011-08-24 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
I don't think this belongs to mb-style, as this has no impact on the MB data. On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 10:30 PM, Nikki aei...@gmail.com wrote: There's been some discussion by the devs about whether links to Secondhandsongs and Last.fm should be shown in the sidebar or not. After the drama for

Re: [mb-style] RFV-333: Unify track/recording guidelines

2011-08-14 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
It's been more than a week now, two people raised some issues but nothing serious enough to cause a veto, so this can be considered passed now. I'll the to update the wiki either today or tomorrow. Thanks! Lukas 2011/8/6 Lukáš Lalinský lalin...@gmail.com: It's been more than a week since

Re: [mb-style] RFV-333: Unify track/recording guidelines

2011-08-08 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 3:21 PM, jesus2099 hta3s836gzac...@jetable.org wrote: LL It's been more than a week since the RFC and to my surprise there has LL been only one negative feedback, which I don't think is justifiable, LL because it ignores the basic problems that motivated me to propose LL

Re: [mb-style] RFV-333: Unify track/recording guidelines

2011-08-08 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Duke Yin yind...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with this proposal is that it is _extremely_ Anglo-centric, because the recording and release group guidelines are extremely Anglo-centric. If this proposal is to pass, I'd like to see... 1)  Abbreviations should

Re: [mb-style] RFV-333: Unify track/recording guidelines

2011-08-08 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 6:24 PM, J Chang fdkni...@hotmail.com wrote: Just a question: How will this unification of guidelines affect pseudo-releases that contain translations and transliterations of track titles? Obviously, tracklist titles will be different from the attached recordings as they

[mb-style] RFV-333: Unify track/recording guidelines

2011-08-06 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
It's been more than a week since the RFC and to my surprise there has been only one negative feedback, which I don't think is justifiable, because it ignores the basic problems that motivated me to propose these changes, which I mentioned in the initial email. All MB editors I know, except for

Re: [mb-style] RFV-333: Unify track/recording guidelines

2011-08-06 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 11:04 AM, SwissChris swissch...@gmail.com wrote: …oops. What I mean is point 1.7 in Style/Recording guidelines overview: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Style/Recording_and_release_group_titles#Use_.28feat._Artist.29_if_an_artist_is_featured_on_a_recording. Appending feat.

Re: [mb-style] RFV-333: Unify track/recording guidelines

2011-08-06 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Philip Jägenstedt phi...@foolip.org wrote: 1. Will this RFV also add guidelines for what ETI should be included in track titles but not in release titles? Did you mean in track titles, but not in recording titles? In any case, no, I just want the current

Re: [mb-style] RFC-333: Unify track/recording guidelines

2011-08-05 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 2:00 AM, Ryan Torchia anarchyr...@gmail.com wrote: At the time this was proposed, the current recordings and release group style did not include the changes in RFV-327.  It seems kind of sketchy that the discussion of how to treat track titles was specifically excluded

Re: [mb-style] RFV327: Featured artists

2011-08-03 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 5:24 AM, David Gasaway d...@gasaway.org wrote: On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 18:48, Andii Hughes gnu_and...@member.fsf.org wrote: Personally, I think the veto system is flawed and these proposals should go on a more democratic basis (which would make it pass 6-2), but the

Re: [mb-style] RFC-333: Unify track/recording guidelines

2011-08-02 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 11:03 AM, jesus2099 hta3s836gzac...@jetable.org wrote: X « 3) Some other editor fixes the recordings, which adds even more work for voters. » J2 That’s also true when you enter altered titles and then someone with the release has to fix track titles back. PCB I'm not

Re: [mb-style] RFC-333: Unify track/recording guidelines

2011-08-02 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/8/2, Lukáš Lalinský lalin...@gmail.com: On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 11:03 AM, jesus2099 hta3s836gzac...@jetable.org wrote: X « 3) Some other editor fixes the recordings, which adds even more work for voters

Re: [mb-style] RFC-327: Featured Artists (attempt 2)

2011-08-01 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 9:42 AM, jesus2099 hta3s836gzac...@jetable.org wrote: -1 IMO we should follow actual release style. Sometimes the guest artist is part of the artist → we already use artist credit for that. Sometimes the guest artist is part of the title → somewhere in time we shall

Re: [mb-style] RFC-333: Unify track/recording guidelines

2011-08-01 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 10:01 AM, jesus2099 hta3s836gzac...@jetable.org wrote: All this is called altering actual release metadata and can be avoided thanks to god-sent-at-last-tracks while keeping the ISO-1234/5678 funny stuff in recordings. As I mentioned, this is not what track titles were

Re: [mb-style] RFC-327: Featured Artists (attempt 2)

2011-08-01 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Ryan Torchia anarchyr...@gmail.com wrote: Even the long-term solution wasn't seeking to find a way to include featured guests into the artist field; the intent was always to express everything through ARs.  I didn't know when I suggested it, but the ideas about

Re: [mb-style] RFV327: Featured artists

2011-08-01 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 3:28 PM, jesus2099 hta3s836gzac...@jetable.org wrote: -1 VETO Hum, so this is the actual thread we should reply to then. There are guest artists belonging to the track (T) title and collaboration artists in track artist (A). For A we have the new Artist Credit system.

[mb-style] Recording/track distinctions

2011-07-21 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
Hi everybody, I'm really not sure what to do, but I thought I'd at least give it a try. I'm personally unhappy with the NGS style guideline changes that increase the differences between track titles and recording titles. This is generally about the trend to have as-on-cover data in track titles.

Re: [mb-style] Recording/track distinctions

2011-07-21 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 11:00 AM, MeinDummy meindu...@nurfuerspam.de wrote: But it leaves those people standing in the rain who want titles in the database as they appear on release covers. And you cannot just ignore their wishes. This is not about ignoring their wishes. As I mentioned, what

Re: [mb-style] Recording/track distinctions

2011-07-21 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com wrote: Could you give actual examples of your issues? I find it difficult to understand what you think is wrong. 1. http://musicbrainz.org/recording/1b7be9fe-fbeb-4941-b1f7-7eaf9fa9f99e -- Different languages. Let's say I

Re: [mb-style] Recording/track distinctions

2011-07-21 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
2011/7/21 Lukáš Lalinský lalin...@gmail.com: On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com wrote: Could you give actual examples of your issues? I find it difficult to understand what you think is wrong. 1. http://musicbrainz.org/recording/1b7be9fe-fbeb-4941-b1f7

Re: [mb-style] Recording/track distinctions

2011-07-21 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/7/21, Lukáš Lalinský lalin...@gmail.com: Oh, and to give an example of recording/title artist credits. http://musicbrainz.org/release/611e82cc-5db0-39d0-b47e-df42b75c748c http://musicbrainz.org/release

Re: [mb-style] Recording/track distinctions

2011-07-21 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com wrote: I'm going to need a little more info :-) 2011/7/21, Lukáš Lalinský lalin...@gmail.com: On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com wrote: Could you give actual examples of your

Re: [mb-style] Recording/track distinctions

2011-07-21 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 1:20 PM, symphonick symphon...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 13:10:05 +0200, symphonick symphon...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:15:28 +0200, Lukáš Lalinský lalin...@gmail.com 1. http://musicbrainz.org/recording/1b7be9fe-fbeb-4941-b1f7-7eaf9fa9f99e

Re: [mb-style] Recording/track distinctions

2011-07-21 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/7/21 Lukáš Lalinský lalin...@gmail.com On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/7/21, Lukáš Lalinský lalin...@gmail.com: Oh, and to give an example of recording

Re: [mb-style] Recording/track distinctions

2011-07-21 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com wrote: I want my tags to contain Magnetic Fields, Part 1, which is the title localized for the release that I have, but normalized according to the usual MB guidelines. Ok. I guess normalized and localized recording

Re: [mb-style] Pre-RFC: CSG - work types

2011-07-21 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com wrote: More generally, I'm starting to wonder if we should not request Advanced Attributes. These would work like Advanced Relationships but instead of linking 2 items, they would be linked to only one item. We could

Re: [mb-style] Recording/track distinctions

2011-07-21 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Kuno Woudt k...@frob.nl wrote: As-on-cover track and release fields to some extent solves both issues, it makes it much easier for editors to get started. They ignore the main reason that brought many of the top editors to MusicBrainz -- data consistency. I have

Re: [mb-style] VolumeNumberStyle in NGS?

2011-06-07 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
Same for me. When working on the NGS, I always imagined that track/release titles will be still normalized but allow variations in extra title information, different language or possibly different credits. That means that we would no longer have consistency on these titles, but most of the

Re: [mb-style] VolumeNumberStyle in NGS?

2011-06-07 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com wrote: I don't understand you. IMO this would be quasi-redundancy, adding extra layers with little benefit. What kind of benefit did you expect from NGS? Well, two primary uses cases that I had on my mind were: - Extra

Re: [mb-style] VolumeNumberStyle in NGS?

2011-06-07 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com wrote: Don't you think this would be a little difficult to explain to users? Change the title if the variation is small, but don't change it if it is large. I know, this is not how you would explain it, but this is what

Re: [mb-style] VolumeNumberStyle in NGS?

2011-06-07 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
2011/6/7 Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren reosare...@gmail.com: On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/6/7, Lukáš Lalinský lalin...@gmail.com: I think that the guidelines regarding release/track titles should be based on the previous guidelines, white

Re: [mb-style] RFC: [none] for no catalog number

2011-06-07 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 2:04 PM, jacobbrett jacobbr...@hotmail.com wrote: The redundancy is storing the six characters of text [none] over and over, compared to a 1 or 0. The latter also avoids typos. A big disadvantage is that the boolean field can't be added any time soon. MB has a history of

Re: [mb-style] VolumeNumberStyle in NGS?

2011-06-07 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Nikki aei...@gmail.com wrote: Lukáš Lalinský wrote: MusicBrainz less useful to me. I think that abbreviations fall into the category of things that we should make consistent. What about when a series consistently uses Vol.? The current volume numbers guideline

Re: [mb-style] CSG: Less VA?

2011-05-20 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Nikki aei...@gmail.com wrote: Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: Tjaijkovskij Bramhs is definitely better than VA IMO, although it tends to suggest that the release contains some work composed by both. What would be perfect (but will probably never happen) would be

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Concept of works group

2011-05-19 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 12:29 PM, caramel carame...@ymail.com wrote: I discussed in other threads about the concept of works, super-works and sub-works. It is specially relevant for classical works but may be not reduced to them. Actually there is a work type (with aggregate attribute) but

[mb-style] Works and remixes/covers

2011-05-17 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
The original NGS documentation which was written by me [1] says that works with different remixes should be merged together. The Work page [2] however says that they should be kep separate. All people I've discussed this with agree that they should be merged. Can I change the Work page to remove

Re: [mb-style] Extra Title Information vs Recording comment in NGS

2011-01-12 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Aurélien Mino a.m...@free.fr wrote: Hi, I would like to propose the following change during NGS migration:  Move the extra title information of recording from the 'name' field to the 'comment' field,  while keeping track titles untouched. Examples:  11

Re: [mb-style] Extra Title Information vs Recording comment in NGS

2011-01-12 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Aurélien Mino a.m...@free.fr wrote: On 01/12/2011 03:45 PM, Lukáš Lalinský wrote: I don't agree with this. Take for example Talking All That Jazz (Torti's Old School Mix of Edits dub) -- I'd argue that having only Talking All That Jazz in the recording title

Re: [mb-style] PUID differentiation

2010-11-17 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/11/17 Simon Austin chi...@auzsoft.net Is there a way to tell PUIDs apart? I suspect one or more of these is mis-applied, but I'm not sure how to work out which

Re: [mb-style] Ellipses, quotation marks, and the miscellaneous guideline

2010-11-16 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Nikki aei...@gmail.com wrote: jacobbrett wrote: On that note, is there a similar plugin/script that converts Unicode characters to ASCII equivalents, though only for the file name? If it's possible to do that, I'd love to know how! It would be really useful

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Re-add [traditional]

2010-10-11 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Nikki aei...@gmail.com wrote: This proposal is simply to re-add [traditional] as a special purpose artist. There's been a number of people recently giving their support to re-adding it in http://forums.musicbrainz.org/viewtopic.php?pid=11319 and in several

Re: [mb-style] NGS RFC: Make works not be filed under an artist (Was: Spurrious works)

2010-04-07 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: I doubt it's just my point of view, as it was the idea being used by anyone, except it would seem, yourself, who has talked on the lists, wiki, or IRC at all about works in the past 2 years.  I'm not just

Re: [mb-style] NGS RFC: Make works not be filed under an artist(Was: Spurrious works)

2010-04-07 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 1:58 PM, autod...@davesmey.com wrote: Whatever you call them - Works, LKWorks, etc - the fact remains that they would be Work entities.  The mere fact that you can so clearly separate LKWorks from Works is why I'm saying they shouldn't be mixed together as the same

Re: [mb-style] RFV: Clean up link phrases

2010-04-06 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 2:00 AM, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: The extended RFC period having now expired, this proposal is now in RFV. I don't really see how do you want to do the change for 'programmed'. There is an instrument attribute which collides with your link

Re: [mb-style] NGS RFC: Make works not be filed under an artist (Was: Spurrious works)

2010-04-04 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 6:28 AM, Philip Jägenstedt phi...@foolip.org wrote: On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 06:43, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: 1) In NGS, a Work is 'filed' under an Artist, just as Releases, Tracks, Release Groups are now. Since this has nothing to do with

Re: [mb-style] NGS RFC: Make works not be filed under an artist (Was: Spurrious works)

2010-04-04 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
2010/4/4 Lukáš Lalinský lalin...@gmail.com: Think of works outside of the classical genre, think of them as songs. Songs usually do have an artist associated with them. For example, most Beatles songs were composed by Lennon/McCartney, but not all of them. Would you not find it useful to see

Re: [mb-style] NGS RFC: Make works not be filed under an artist (Was: Spurrious works)

2010-04-04 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com wrote: Think of works outside of the classical genre, think of them as songs. Songs usually do have an artist associated with them. For example, most Beatles songs were composed by Lennon/McCartney, but not all of them.

Re: [mb-style] NGS RFC: Make works not be filed under an artist (Was: Spurrious works)

2010-04-04 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
2010/4/4 Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com: That info isn't lost; it's in the recording and performance ARs, where it belongs. You've left out the important 'action word' in that X by Y.  You're talking about X (performed by) by Y, but that, to me, is inherently a Recording

Re: [mb-style] What Track ARs should become Work ARs, or both Recording and, Work ARs?

2010-03-26 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 5:03 AM, caller#6 meatbyproduct-musicbra...@yahoo.com wrote: I've been hoping that the Work entity would be broad enough to cover multiple versions of traditional songs (which often have variant lyrics and titles). The recent chat logs on the subject are making me less

Re: [mb-style] Important: NGS ARs are now ok to propose - please read.

2010-03-24 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: That brings me to Works.  We kind of went into detail about Works when the idea was brought up during Clean up CSG.  Or, if you remember the Object Model from years ago, Works are basically the Composition

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Release Event Style

2010-03-22 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Pavan Chander pchan...@gmail.com wrote: An NGS-release represents the physical issuing of an album/single/compilation, on a specific date, in a specific country, with specific packaging, with a specific set of mediums (with specific medium formats), with a

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Add UMD as a release format (SwissChris)

2010-03-09 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: It sounds as though a proposal is needed, then, to change the agreed proposals process to add a special rule for format proposals. If someone's (luks?, swisschris?) is willing to put forward a proposal for

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Add UMD as a release format (SwissChris)

2010-03-08 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 6:39 PM, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: Rather than a bunch of different responses to different issues raised, I'll try to just summarize my thoughts and hit on those issues all at once. Instead of writing such a long email, why not just link to

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Add UMD as a release format

2010-03-08 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 10:01 PM, neothe0ne neothe0...@gmail.com wrote: From: SwissChris swissch...@gmail.com All I (and obviously Lukas) are asking for is a similar procedure for release formats. Do you really want me to go into MB and add 5 release events as Other, just so you agree to pass

Re: [mb-style] RFV?: Two decisions on gender needed for the NGS devs: Q2: Alternate Genders

2010-03-06 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 6:07 AM, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: There's been no further discussion on this, and the RFC is scheduled to go to RFV today.  Luks, before this goes to RFV, did you still have concerns? Yes, on Jade Starr's website you can find: Jade decided

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Add UMD as a release format

2010-03-06 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: Clearing out another of the inactive proposals.  This was sent last fall, but to users, rather than here, so it got mostly missed (including by me, when I sent RFC-93 to clear the other similar ones out). 

Re: [mb-style] RFV?: Two decisions on gender needed for the NGS devs: Q2: Alternate Genders

2010-03-06 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 10:40 PM, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/3/6 Lukáš Lalinský lalin...@gmail.com On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 6:07 AM, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: There's been no further discussion on this, and the RFC is scheduled

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Two decisions on gender needed for the NGS devs: Q2: Alternate Genders

2010-02-22 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's right to provide more the binary choice male/female and I'd tend to go with 'transgender' because it's already pretty widely accepted in usage as the T in LGBT.  As you say, I don't think MB

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Two decisions on gender needed for the NGS devs: Q2: Alternate Genders

2010-02-22 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: There's some groups in there, and some (Wendy Carlos) might be best set to male or female, if they have a clear and public gender decision stating themselves to be male or female, not Other - but that part

Re: [mb-style] Request for Debate: Two decisions on gender needed for the NGS devs: Q2: Alternate Genders

2010-02-18 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: The second question is one I've seen discussed (in the hypothetical, if we ever did have artist genders) many many times, including in

Re: [mb-style] Bass instruments

2009-09-15 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 9:22 AM, David Gasaway d...@gasaway.org wrote: I'd also like to know what distinction is intended by having both Double bass (Contrabass, Acoustic upright bass) and Acoustic upright bass.  I've consistently used the former in all cases, AFAIK. There is

Re: [mb-style] bass drum instrument relation

2009-08-23 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Fabe56fabyinc.n...@free.fr wrote: This instrument will be add later, when it is used on at least 5 regular, proper releases (live or album). There is more than five release mentioned here -

Re: [mb-style] RFV: PartNumberStyle (second attempt)

2009-07-23 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Kuno Woudtk...@frob.nl wrote: If e.g. a dutch release uses schijf: subtitle on the backcover, I will use 'schijf' in the release title on musicbrainz.  This is rare though, I couldn't find an example of this last time I went through my dutch releases.  But

Re: [mb-style] http://www.akuma.de

2009-06-09 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 12:03 AM, Robert Kayer...@eorbit.net wrote: Hi! Someone from http://www.akuma.de contacted me and asked if we were interested in adding AR links to the akuma.de. They are also willing to help pay for the creation of the links. I'd rather do this: - Create the AR link

Re: [mb-style] RFV: Revise SortNameStyle for artist names that contain a person's name

2009-03-23 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Paul C. Bryan em...@pbryan.net wrote: It's been over a week since I re-entered this as RFV. There has been no dissent, so I believe this RFV has now passed. I have changed the page [1] in the wiki accordingly. Now, presumably, some transclusion magic to have it

Re: [mb-style] Feat. on non-english releases

2009-03-09 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 5:05 AM, Z johnny...@gmail.com wrote: Well then, I guess this is goodbye to any atempt of having a useful database for non-english releases, I'll have to give up on using Picard on my spanish releases. Thanks anyway I think you misunderstood the point. Having literal

Re: [mb-style] Feat. on non-english releases

2009-03-07 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 11:13 PM, Kuno Woudt k...@frob.nl wrote: On Sat, Mar 07, 2009 at 12:17:17PM -0500, Aaron Cooper wrote: disc is not part of the release title and will (hopefully) one day be moved to a separate field.  I don't think we need (or should) make it conform to the release's

Re: [mb-style] DiscNumberStyle vs SeriesNumberStyle

2009-03-06 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Brian Schweitzer brian.brianschweit...@gmail.com wrote: When a disc is part of a MultiDiscRelease and has no DiscTitle, indicate the disc number by appending (disc x)1 to the ReleaseTitle, with 'x' indicating the sequential number without zero padding, letters

[mb-style] RFC: New AR for linking to official artist/label YouTube pages

2008-12-19 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
See http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/ticket/2730 -- can anybody think of any reasons to not add it? -- Lukas Lalinsky lalin...@gmail.com ___ Musicbrainz-style mailing list Musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org

Re: [mb-style] RFC: New AR for linking to official artist/label YouTube pages

2008-12-19 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 6:29 PM, Jason ja...@zenenet.com wrote: Why would you enforce a www? International subdomains matter for the user. You'll piss people off if you force them to English International YouTube, since they'll have to reload the whole page just to get the different social

Re: [mb-style] Non-ascii in Japanese artist sort names?

2008-08-31 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
Dňa Ne, 2008-08-31 o 00:09 +0200, Philip Jägenstedt napísal: A question to someone who knows a little bit of Japanese. The sort name of 岩代太郎[1] is currently Iwashiro, Tarō, which is something I've never seen before. I realize that Tarō and Taro may not sound the same, but is it customary to

Re: [mb-style] Duet style?

2008-08-07 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
Dňa Št, 2008-08-07 o 20:32 +0700, Philip Jägenstedt napísal: Could those with some spare time read and vote on http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=954 to give the somewhat disgruntled jesus2099 more input than just mine? It's too late for voting, but I wouldn't have voted no. This is

[mb-style] MediaWiki (was: Looking for a new [Documentation|Style] leader)

2008-08-05 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
I'm sorry, I meant to send this to mb-style, not mb-users. -- Preposlaná správa -- Od: Lukáš Lalinský [EMAIL PROTECTED] Komu: General discussions about MusicBrainz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Predmet: MediaWiki (was: Looking for a new [Documentation|Style] leader) Dátum: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:15:11

Re: [mb-style] [mb-users] MediaWiki (was: Looking for a new [Documentation|Style] leader)

2008-08-05 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
Dňa Ut, 2008-08-05 o 14:54 +0200, Jan van Thiel napísal: 2008/8/5 Lukáš Lalinský [EMAIL PROTECTED]: part of the previous discussion was migrating the wiki to either MoinMoin 1.6 or MediaWiki. A MediaWiki instance is now set up on http://mediawiki.musicbrainz.org/ with the latest version

Re: [mb-style] [mb-users] MediaWiki (was: Looking for a new [Documentation|Style] leader)

2008-08-05 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
Dňa Ut, 2008-08-05 o 15:05 +0200, Jan van Thiel napísal: 2008/8/5 Lukáš Lalinský [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dňa Ut, 2008-08-05 o 14:54 +0200, Jan van Thiel napísal: 2008/8/5 Lukáš Lalinský [EMAIL PROTECTED]: part of the previous discussion was migrating the wiki to either MoinMoin 1.6

Re: [mb-style] MediaWiki (was: Looking for a new [Documentation|Style] leader)

2008-08-05 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
Dňa Ut, 2008-08-05 o 18:16 +0200, Aurélien.mino napísal: I'm doing some tests to convert our Cards to Templates. Could you enable set $wgAllowExternalImages to true? (http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgAllowExternalImages). Done. What is a bit disturbing is the naming of pages: no

Re: [mb-style] MediaWiki (was: Looking for a new [Documentation|Style] leader)

2008-08-05 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
Dňa St, 2008-08-06 o 08:44 +0700, Philip Jägenstedt napísal: Would it be possible to enable file uploads? I was testing if it were possible to create a page for identifying Chinese Labels at http://mediawiki.musicbrainz.org/Chinese_Labels, but was kindly informed that File uploads are disabled

Re: [mb-style] MediaWiki (was: Looking for a new [Documentation|Style] leader)

2008-08-05 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
Dňa St, 2008-08-06 o 08:53 +0700, Philip Jägenstedt napísal: Ah, MediaWiki is quite refreshing, I like it. We'll have to manually move user pages to User: pages Yes, this is mentioned on http://mediawiki.musicbrainz.org/MediaWiki_migration Also, the decamelcapser messed up quite badly on

Re: [mb-style] Looking for a new [Documentation|Style] leader

2008-08-01 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
Dňa Št, 2008-07-31 o 10:32 -0700, Robert Kaye napísal: On Jul 31, 2008, at 3:43 AM, Lukáš Lalinský wrote: So, if we really want to migrate to MediaWiki, I'd sugges to not upgrade to MoinMoin 1.6, but go straight to MediaWiki. Do you want to load the results onto scooby so everyone

Re: [mb-style] Looking for a new [Documentation|Style] leader

2008-07-30 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
Dňa St, 2008-07-30 o 11:54 +0200, Aurélien.mino napísal: Chad Wilson a écrit : - Where is the MoinMoin upgrade stuff at? In the hand of djce dmppanda. I don't have more info. BTW, I figured nearly one year ago that we should migrate to MediaWiki, because it may better fits our needs

Re: [mb-style] RFV: SupportingMusicianRelationshipType OK for Groups

2008-05-19 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
Dňa Po, 2008-05-05 o 08:17 -0400, Mike Morrison napísal: [...] So now all that remains to be done is for a RelationshipEditor to implement point 1. Done. Lukas Thanks! Mike On Fri, 25 Apr 2008, Mike Morrison wrote: It having been one week with no additional comments on this

Re: [mb-style] Removal of homeburnt discIds

2008-05-09 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
Dňa Pi, 2008-05-09 o 21:07 +0800, Chad Wilson napísal: BrianG has voted down an edit to remove a homeburnt disc ID at http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=8668756 Since when has this practice changed, and is BrianG's position that the practice should change technically defensible? (of

Re: [mb-style] Removal of homeburnt discIds

2008-05-09 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
Dňa Pi, 2008-05-09 o 15:42 +0200, Bram van Dijk napísal: This one: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/HowToAddDiscIDs (though you might say it is not a guideline) Yes, this is very far from a style guideline. If I am not mistaken, burning the exact same mp3 or whatever will result in different

Re: [mb-style] Removal of homeburnt discIds

2008-05-09 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
Dňa Pi, 2008-05-09 o 21:44 +0200, Philip Jägenstedt napísal: I don't agree. If I see two discids I'll think that there are (at least) two pressings of the CD, not that someone ripped a CDR (from a friend or whatever) and used MusicBrainz to tag it. There is an important point here: people

Re: [mb-style] RFC: Works lists (and other related changes then implied)

2008-03-03 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Ne, 2008-03-02 at 03:52 -0500, Brian Schweitzer wrote: Details: I propose that we add a NAT-like listing to the database for each artist (not just in classical), as was discussed yesterday, essentially using the exact same code that allows for NAT listings, to allow for works lists, until

Re: [mb-style] CSG compromise?

2008-02-29 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Pi, 2008-02-29 at 10:36 +0100, symphonick wrote: I have to check if I understand this NGS-stuff correctly: Many (most) classical releases have headings in the tracklist, wich gives the context for the following tracks. I randomly picked http://www.bis.se/index.php?op=albumaID=BIS-SACD-1618

Re: [mb-style] CSG compromise?

2008-02-29 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Pi, 2008-02-29 at 11:16 -0500, Brian Schweitzer wrote: Somebody in this thread mentioned that classical music has no tracks, which I guess is the main point of confusion here. Classical music really has no tracks, but classical releases do have tracks and do have I was with you all

Re: [mb-style] CSG

2008-02-26 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Ut, 2008-02-26 at 07:36 -0500, Aaron Cooper wrote: I disagree with luks. A work title not only identifies a larger work but also the individual movements of those works. Classical songs don't have titles, unless you consider common names like Eroica a title. I wasn't walking about

Re: [mb-style] CSG

2008-02-26 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Ut, 2008-02-26 at 10:49 -0500, Brian Schweitzer wrote: On Ut, 2008-02-26 at 07:36 -0500, Aaron Cooper wrote: I disagree with luks. A work title not only identifies a larger work but also the individual movements of those works. Classical songs don't have titles, unless you

Re: [mb-style] CSG

2008-02-26 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Ut, 2008-02-26 at 11:36 -0500, Andrew Conkling wrote: On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Lukáš Lalinský [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Show me one release where a track is identified as Allegro, without mentioning Symphony No. XY and the composer's name

Re: [mb-style] CSG

2008-02-26 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Ut, 2008-02-26 at 18:48 +0100, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote: So which titles should we use? The title of the first release? What if it was wrong? What if it was so old it never got entered in MB? The title of the last release? No good, these are often budget releases, simplified or completely

Re: [mb-style] CSG

2008-02-26 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Ut, 2008-02-26 at 15:19 -0500, Brian Schweitzer wrote: I guess that leads to a question what is normalized and what is not? Is changing Piano Concerto, Klavierkonzert or Klavírny koncert to Concerto for Piano really just normalization? Why should we prefer the English title on

Re: [mb-style] CSG

2008-02-25 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Po, 2008-02-25 at 16:37 -0500, Brian Schweitzer wrote: It all comes down to this: Is MusicBrainz' classical to be a database of: a) Titles just as they are on liners, helpful or not b) Basic identification of the work on a track, though not always enough to determine exactly which

Re: [mb-style] CSG

2008-02-25 Thread Lukáš Lalinský
On Po, 2008-02-25 at 18:28 -0500, Brian Schweitzer wrote: If I can be forgiven replying to all three at the same, I think they boil down to the same thing: [...] and luks wrote: MusicBrainz, at the moment, is a database of releases. That means release titles and track titles. The

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