, but it's not likely to be added until NGS.
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arose over the +1 idea a few
months ago.)
Well I was asking because I'm supposed to stop proposals from just
getting stuck like they currently do. Reminding people about proposals
seems like a sensible idea anyway.
We'll see how things go...
Nikki
for fairly straightforward
things like this, I can give them +1s if nobody else is willing to, but
I wonder what should happen if someone proposes quite a big change, or
when there's no consensus...
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Ah, well I'm fine with that. Shall I make an RFC?
Feel free to. :)
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that clarifies which one is correct.
I totally agree. There's actually a few things like that that could be
clarified.
Currently, there are 87 releases using just Netherlands, and 223 using
The Netherlands. I've observed that Nikki (our new style leader)
has been
making many live bootleg edits
, that
should mean you can send an RFV when you're ready. You might want to
answer Alex's question first though. :)
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automatic
links from MusicBrainz, rather than adding a new relationship for it.
There was some discussion on IRC earlier about it -
http://chatlogs.musicbrainz.org/musicbrainz-devel/2010/2010-08/2010-08-13.html#T19-17-52-825014
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data. What would happen when you follow an MBID link for data not yet
related to SoundUnwound data?
From what Rob's said, it seems like they want to show search results
and have a message encouraging people to add missing data when there's
no mbid match.
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Pete Marsh wrote:
Thanks Nikki
I think a whitelist would be the most sensible option.
That works for me.
Last FM was one of
those, but now they've got rid of full track streaming on demand I don't
think they'd fit either!
I didn't know they'd got rid of that... do they not let
need into the template we use for relationship pages [1] so that
we've got a page that will be part of the documentation. I can try doing
that though with the answers to the above questions if you want.
Nikki
[1] http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Template:Relationship
2 days passed without any objections, so this has passed. :)
I've created the relationship and moved the wiki page to the right place.
Thanks!
Nikki
Nikki wrote:
Hi,
A week has passed and there's no objections, so here's the RFV. It's
due to expire on the 3rd of August
think the issue Brian saw is
realistically a problem (whatever a set actually is...) since this is
worded the same as the cover version relationship. We've had that
relationship type for years and we haven't descended into chaos.
Nikki
P.S. I have no idea how I'm supposed to use the template
of relationships to move the ones that we know should be under
social network, and I could easily create a page which can list all of
the remaining online community ones.
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page? If so, then sure, a +1 from me.
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social network? What about Facebook groups?
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example on the online community type's wiki page is a LiveJournal page)
If you change it to only propose moving the MySpace and PureVolume
relationships to be under the new relationship for now, I'd give it a +1.
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that could be run to test this, or am I being pedantic?
jesus2099 wanted to reply to this but isn't subscribed to the list,
here's his examples:
http://chatlogs.musicbrainz.org/musicbrainz/2010/2010-06/2010-06-11.html#T07-18-30-743819
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.
If the search doesn't find it, we should make the search smarter.
Websites don't always use the same character as the cover anyway, so
whether we use a standard format or copy the cover, there'll always be
some which don't match exactly depending on where the information is from.
Nikki
in the previous thread:
http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2010-April/009527.html
Georgian (Mkhedruli) doesn't have a distinction between upper and lower
case, and the Roman alphabet is Latin script, but otherwise +1.
Nikki
or wiki pages we currently use, it just
gives us even more work to do. At least the part of set one got rid of
the need for annotations on every disc.
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groups in NGS like you suggested
in a previous email. If we do link them all to one place, I would
probably just change the wording of the current wiki page to not forbid
linking from different formats or discs, but to simply note that it's
not the best use of time.
Nikki
can see what people had to say before? Being debated
before doesn't necessarily mean a consensus was ever reached. ;)
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aware, it's intended to be neither of those, but instead
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity
(responding to the thread in general: I also think groups shouldn't have
genders)
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#Key_and_Tone_indication
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It was discussed here last year in
http://lists.musicbrainz.org/pipermail/musicbrainz-style/2009-April/007759.html
but there was never an actual RFC to change it.
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made
official, the Spanish capitalisation still isn't (and that's one of our
most popular album languages). :P
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be the only person adding the DVDs.
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the post-NGS merges until NGS is
actually ready to be released. We don't know when that will be nor what
will happen in the meantime. It's not like it would change anything at
the moment anyway and it would have the benefit of making your RFC a bit
shorter and easier to deal with.
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Brian
Leiv Hellebo wrote:
zout's point that FeaturingArtists should go at the end, because it's
just a workaround for current database limitation is a good one, IMO.
(disc n) is just a workaround for current database limitations too.
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as
the ones used by Wikipedia.
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and a-Moll a few times in some of the examples. :)
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rather we make it more complicated, I would still oppose having
guess case lowercase them because they are predominately in the
uppercase category.
I would say o' on its own, O' attached to a noun.
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, disc suggests we
should link each disc within each release, which you clearly didn't
mean. I agree with linking only to the first disc within a release
though.
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be the only one thinking this was a good idea :)
A lot of people seem to be asking about it in IRC too. I haven't
actually seen anyone say it's a bad idea.
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MySpace ones before we added the MySpace relationship.
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always going to be cases where
we fail to make the distinction between two things, but if we create new
types for every single one, it would just be a big confusing mess.
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into a separate group in the
artist discog list?
Like I said, it will become part of mo's release attribute restructuring. I
don't know when that will be polished and implemented, but I can't see why
it won't be.
How about Alternate text?
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(probably there's a lesson to be learned, but I can't figure out what).
Don't make bets unless you've rigged the outcome? :D
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' type to his attribute
restructuring anyway, that's taken care of too.
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Picard to write Latin1
tags, but I'm sure it doesn't leave people with usable metadata for Chinese
releases.
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level, but with no
current support, people have done the only thing they feel they can.
...didn't you say the tagger users pay the bills?
Rules that follow from bad practices are bad rules.
Maybe so, but rules that go completely against current practise will be
hard to enforce.
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this
moving along as the idea has been being tossed around for over a year. The
exact naming of the attribute doesn't need to be decided before we
implement the relationship, so I would appreciate it if we can discuss that
further when we get to it.
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translations if the audio is
still the same. If the audio is different, the difference between the
releases is no longer just the track listing. :)
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tagger itelf then.
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of choosing the one that the majority of people don't
use, other than that it won't hurt panda's eyes.
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thought if it is?
PS: Perhaps using TaggerScript, capitalized titles could be simplified?
If followed by L', Le or La, decapitalize the 2nd [and 3rd ]word?
What about the 4th and 5th words? Are they ever capitalised? How do you
know that those words won't be names?
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that have CAPS every second track on a
release.
The problem appears to be that there is no standard.
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big difference, German just uses normal sentence
capitalisation, it just so happens that nouns are always capitalised, title
or not.
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of things to consider when nearly all the others are simply is this
a name? if yes, capitalise it or is this a word from a short list of
joining words? if yes, lowercase it.
Nikki, sorry, you have extreme knowledge on the Japanese artists, many
of us don't. In my opinion your instance here
seeing any new add release edits where the capitalisation was correct by
our current guidelines -- the vast majority seem to be either sentence case
or English-style most/every word capitalised. Also, because of its
complexity, we can't develop a guess case mode for it.
--Nikki, who isn't a native
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B) What's a proper noun?
Proper nouns are things like names of people and places.
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about 12,000 following the current part number style
(but I don't know how many of these were added differently and then
changed) and 4,000 with part in brackets.
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[1] e.g. Most people expect the artist to contain the featuring artists.
Trying to keep everything in the right place has been
already, those dreaded
aliases! ;)
I do like the idea though.
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names which wouldn't work in either tagger.
Of course, in this situation, how does it affect tagging? Well, not at all
if you don't mind titles not being identical. If you do, it's a simple
change away. It's a change which anyone can do, much like your example
about limited edition.
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This implies two different entities: the predecessor and the successor.
If a band simply changes its name, I think it is still one entity.
If it's one entity, why should it be listed under two artists?
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they're not used for
anything other than searching, but why will anyone ever want to code better
stuff for something we never use?
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in assumptions we make, i.e. an
unlabelled track on a live release is a live version, but an unlabelled
track on a single release is an album version.
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That sounds better.
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is not a stable release yet (according to the wiki page...), so I
can't imagine 0.8 being here in under a month. Of course, maybe Lukáš has
stuff hidden up his sleeve.
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be a UK
release.'
Is telling the homebase of the label matters.
It tells of the distribution matter too. I have CDs produced in the EU
distributed in the UK by a UK label.
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.) that you can't really say any particular
version is the default.
So why should album version be assumed to be the default version for
singles and not live albums?
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P.S. Won't we have to go back and add (album version) back to all the
singles once we have NGS
, a release on
Foo Records UK [...] will likely be a UK release.'
But that doesn't say The label should be used, it merely says that
between label and 'made in', the label's country is more likely to have
been the release country. I don't think anyone is going to disagree with
that.
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(album
version), Some Kind of Monster (album version), Frantic (album
version), St. Anger (live). Wouldn't that seem crazy?
If that's what they put on the cover, then why is it crazy? I don't think
it's ridiculous to have contextual information.
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, should Some Title and Some Title (album version) not be
allowed when Some Title and Some Title (live) are, when in both cases
both tracks are identical?
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on those which were purely net releases.
iTunes has a clearly defined release area anyway, it won't let you buy
songs without living in the right country.
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on the cover. We have plenty of
cases where we simply don't have the flexibility in Picard for everyone to
be satisfied, so it's not a very good argument.
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. We currently have
thousands of transliterations which are lacking a relationship because a
handful of examples (which, in some cases, are just theoretical) are tricky
to handle.
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have 4 distinct albums (plus 1
transliteration) for them anyway, so all the possible transliterations and
translations are just some sort of straw man or something.
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to be.
What about all the ones which don't say?
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the need for hundreds of manual merges.
I also agree with Gecks (regarding 'official' or 'unofficial') and Don
(regarding being able to avoid clusters).
Does anyone disagree with adding it?
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working on.
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not positive, but it is quite plausible.
Well, everyone I know would say that English title capitalisation is first
letter uppercase (including words like 'the', 'of', etc.) and that's what
I generally use outside of MusicBrainz.
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letters. To me, adding missing accents to capital letters on French albums
is just as sensible as changing the capitalisation if the cover uses all
capitals.
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to use something else when there's no
official body governing Latin saying otherwise.
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editing a lot in the first place, now there's nothing left that's the wrong
character set, just a bunch of tracks with nothing but punctuation in their
names.
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available in a particular shop.
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However, the page suggest it's an official import.
Er, what exactly is an official import?
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a translation of the original german name).
In all the cases I'm aware of, they're aliases. For example, Puffy (known
as Puffy AmiYumi in America), Suede (known as The London Suede in America),
t.A.T.u. (originally known as Тату in Russia) and, of course, Yazoo (known
as Yaz in America).
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, the terms primary and
secondary are completely subjective.
I think, really, that both of you are right. There's no way to draw a
definite line between A B and A feat. B and from the evidence given, I'd
say this one falls in the grey area between the two.
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if that weren't a problem. I'd also like a way of searching without getting
a page full of collaborations but I guess I'm out of luck there.
Technically it would be possible if we had a collaboration type as well as
person and group, but the Lucene search still can't send you to a direct
match.
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such that it makes that AR 'special' which entails that it is highlighted
on the album page
The next server release already shows track relationships on the album
page.
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(e.g. Katie Melua's Georgian name is ქეთევან მელუა but she now lives and
releases music in the UK).
Ones which aren't because of countries (e.g. Enya and all those other Irish
names) I'm not so sure about.
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between the lines though. Maybe people
should start saying what they mean in the first place.
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discussions.
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checking that the pages are still there and giving the user too many links
is no better than giving them a link to Google.
I'm not really sure how to improve the wording though.
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read the names of. I quite like a song [1]
on Wang Xin Ling's album 'Honey', but I currently refer to it as blue
squiggle squiggle splodge.
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