. Since I don't use transliterated releases myself, I
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I'm relatively new to the Chinese language, so my two cents may not be
worth much, but I'd normally group hanzi together as long as they
collectively
where it's tricky to judge
what is a word. Since I don't use transliterated releases myself, I
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On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 4:56 AM, Calvin
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http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Foolip
as an extra attribute
on the recoding-work recording of AR? If so, shouldn't we just add
an attribute to is a {partial} {live} {instrumental} {cover}
recording of to arrive at is a {partial} {live} {instrumental}
{cover} {medley} recording of?
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On 07/30/2012 02:52 PM, Philip Jägenstedt wrote:
http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Foolip/Performance_Relationship_Type
I used the definition from the previous thread. The link phrases would
just have medley added, e.g
name? The way I see is
this happening is a human-supervised bot to reset the sort names of
all Chinese artists while at the same time adding Latin-script
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On Sat, 2012-07-21 at 09:07 +0200, Philip Jägenstedt wrote:
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On Fri, 2012-07-20 at 15:07 +0200, Philip Jägenstedt wrote:
http
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http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Artist/Sort_Name says:
All artist sort names should be in Latin script. If the artist's name
is normally written using
to abandon Latin
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On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 9:16 AM, practik kronp...@yahoo.com wrote:
Philip Jägenstedt wrote
On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 10:56 PM, monxton wrote:
In any case, a work-work relationship gives more information, because it
tells you which of Beethoven's works is quoted. This is much more useful
than
would someone with a clue about
classical phrase the relationship between two such works?
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The version of work-work AR seems inappropriate, so what to do?
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objective. I would be fine with 3.
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don't
think that information really fits in work type.
I think a [No lyrics] options is a good idea, I've filed
http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-4921 to request that.
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On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 1:48 PM, symphonick symphon...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/6/10 Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren reosare...@gmail.com
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http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Proposal:Style/Language/Swedish
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of e.g. people or places.
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Updated the proposal. Thanks for all suggestions
.
A matching English section could be:
Capitalize the first word of a sentence and proper nouns.
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different countries. (Should it turn out that the release differs
physically between countries then the issue is moot.)
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Andii disagreed, so I'd like to have a proper vote in
http://musicbrainz.org/edit
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WHEN
THERE IS INCONSISTENCY BETWEEN SEVERAL RELEASES/EDITIONS/VERSIONS/ETC. »
This sounds reasonable to me, and easy to apply too (follow cover
unless covers disagree).
I could live with that as well.
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On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 3:44 PM, jesus2099
this compromise ? (3)
Which compromise is it you want to apply? You didn't approve of the
one I suggested and I'm not aware of any other.
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團契遊樂園 Playground
動力火車 Power Station
果味VC Super VC
超级市场 Supermarket
女子十二乐坊 Twelve Girls Band
I image that any non-Latin script would have the same problems, at
least those with multiple romanization systems or where the
romanization does not produce the correct order anyway.
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On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 7:28 PM, caller#6
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Hi all,
as discussed recently[1
system would still give
the wrong result for characters that have the same romanization or
same radical and stroke count.
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In the record stores in Beijing I've been I haven't been able to
discern any particular order at all, things have instead been grouped
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this compromise ? (2)
If both of us find
http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Foolip/Capitalization_Standard_Vietnamese
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I believe this would be the first guideline applying different rules
to track and recording titles since RFC-333: Unify track/recording
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provide any
explicit guidance, only a broken link to Into the Blue (Beatmasters
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On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 22:58, lorenz pressler l...@gmx.at wrote:
Am 02.04.2012, 22:36 Uhr, schrieb Philip Jägenstedt phi...@foolip.org:
http://musicbrainz.org/edit/16971109 reminded me of this issue, which
I haven't understood since the introduction of NGS.
One the one hand, disambiguation
(whatever it even is) anyway,
I don't care enough to argue against it.
Can you elaborate on this? Is it recordings we shouldn't have, or a
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On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 00:22, Nikki aei...@gmail.com wrote:
Note that we're not allowed to rename relationships, so the actual name
of the relationship type will need to remain as performance. The link
If there are any editors familiar with Chinese on this list, please
comment on http://musicbrainz.org/edit/13543534 and vote on
http://musicbrainz.org/edit/16954814.
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to assume that e.g. the 2nd of
these should be normalized to have the title Let It Go and the
artist 黃立行 vs. 蕭亞軒?
At the recording level, do we normalize to use feat. as the join
phrase there, or do we change it only if two releases disagree?
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with recordings now, but looking at
http://musicbrainz.org/artist/f592fff4-b203-4cf9-9908-0c93c403564f/recordings
I'm not sure I'd be impressed if the artist credits were a wild mix,
but I guess I'll come back to that when it happens...
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jesus2099 Philip Jägenstedt wrote:
... lots.
Guys, you have been discussing this for quite some time, frantically
scoring points against each other and arguing that the other is not
following a reputed source. You
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If deemed necessary, I can ask my wife (currently in Hanoi) to contact
the ministry of education and ask what style is considered correct in
higher education. It's possible that they don't know or care
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To clarify for everyone who wasn't around, you did not participate in
the original RFC/RFV cycle, but did object after the fact
I note that you are quite blatant not fair play here pretending
with common
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to remove the arrangement AR for works, as it
seems very prone to incorrect use.
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writes:
I would support an RFC to remove the arrangement AR for works, as it
seems very prone to incorrect use.
Ok, but do you have a candidate for how to express This version
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So, in decreasing
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a feature request for applying edits to
both track and recording simultaneously, in the rather common case of
fixing a typo or capitalization that applies to both?
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On 6 August 2011 10:09, Philip Jägenstedt phi...@foolip.org wrote:
1. Will this RFV also add guidelines for what ETI should be included
in track titles but not in release titles?
Can you give an example
to differentiate between unknown/blank and
none/other.
[1] http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Artist_Type
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of a normalized title, just like for artists. I'll be
voting no on edits like this where I come across them until there's a
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of a
remaster.
So, while not exactly being random information, the comments will
contain information which doesn't belong in tags, normalized or
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On 2011-07-07 1:27, Philip Jägenstedt wrote:
Would anyone editing along these lines we willing to try writing it up
in a guideline? IMO, this list is big enough that people, by looking
at the data, will conclude
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I'll give it a shot:
No artist's Recordings tab should list the same title twice with no
disambiguation
not covered by strict
guidelines for disambiguation purposes only, not for tagging.
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MusicBrainz needs to worry about the legality of the things it links
to, only that which it hosts.
If someone complains it's easy to remove the links again. so I'm
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It's been more than a week, you can send an RFV now.
Nikki
Philip Jägenstedt wrote:
http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Foolip/Volume_numbers
See the editing history for a clear diff. The essence of the change is
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On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:10, Kuno Woudt k...@frob.nl wrote:
Hello,
On 05/06/11 21:06, Philip Jägenstedt wrote:
2011/6/5 Nicolás Tamargo de Egurenreosare...@gmail.com:
The problem is in interpreting the cover. What is the distinction
between an artist being mentioned in a comment
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I guess you'd want to normalize capitalization as well, I'm
really not sure about that bit...
Disregard that bit, I think it's luks that's been arguing for that :)
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Philip Jägenstedt wrote:
IMO, the sortname is useless for non-Latin scripts, or at least for
Chinese. In order to get anything like a sane sorting you'd have to
use the same transliteration system (say Hanyu Pinyin) for all
artists
this against the hypothetical I want it exactly as on the cover
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2011/6/6 Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren reosare...@gmail.com:
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or
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the wiki any longer. Wouldn't it be simpler to just not change the
stable guidelines in the wiki and just use those?
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2. Song E (rap by Tyra)
3. Bla bla (Artist A + Artist B)
(Still waiting for a hint from the NGS masterminds about what they had
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On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 22:45, Simon Austin chi...@auzsoft.net wrote:
Contraiwise NGS also added a split between recording and track title,
with the ability
2011/6/5 Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren reosare...@gmail.com:
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Since NGS I'm often finding myself trying to decide what to do with
tracks/recordings performed by multiple artists. As an example see
track 1-11 of
http
release titles to things like Beloved Music Box
Vol.5 right now?
IMO, this would make perfect sense, but does of course need some
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See the editing history for a clear diff. The essence of the change is
to not normalize the release titles at all, only the release group
titles. This is a similar split to track/recording.
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2011/6/4 Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren reosare...@gmail.com
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Is volume number style still relevant with NGS? Based on what I've
seen from
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Philip Jägenstedt wrote:
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 22:02, Simon Austin chi...@auzsoft.net
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In this edit, http://musicbrainz.org/edit/14510889 some want to move an
existing German release event to Europe, and keep
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On 30/05/2011 07:38, Philip Jägenstedt wrote:
While I wouldn't mind keeping track of the fact that something was
released in several regions, duplicating releases in this situation
seems way overkill to me. For now, I'm
other way than duplicating the whole
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On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 22:53, Kuno Woudt k...@frob.nl wrote:
Hello,
On 22/05/11 15:53, Philip Jägenstedt wrote:
Before NGS I added some releases where both English and Chinese titles
appear on the cover. I created one release for each language.
http://musicbrainz.org/release/0a4a71ed-b7d9
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That sounds pretty good, but it wouldn't really be accurate for
karaoke tracks where the background singers are usually left in and
only the lead singer is left out. Perhaps a karaoke attribute would
work
and recordings. (It's almost as if NGS
was designed specifically to solve this problem...)
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On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 09:48, Kuno Woudt k...@frob.nl wrote:
Hello,
On 24/05/11 09:28, Philip Jägenstedt wrote:
Going forward, I think that it would be nice if perhaps recordings
could have aliases by language. Perhaps there should be some attribute
for official translations
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azertus is asking if we should have a way to record the fact that a
disc is considered bonus. It does seem that this ability was lost in
the move to NGS, but I'm not sure I think it's important. Thoughts?
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idea is that we should follow the original
capitalization, except where that would be ridiculous, e.g. if it was
all uppercase. Even though I don't like the style, I hope we should
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these, because
almost no one will want both languages, I'm guessing. Should we
perhaps just use pseudo-releases for tracklists on a usable form and
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Is this an approach that people agree with?
To get an idea of the alternative, have a look at this release group
that I split before NGS:
http://musicbrainz.org/release-group/3c981710-92b6-3de0-90ba-baa655e06630
versions should get a lyricist relationship if
they are linked to the single work. Ideas?
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capitalizations. To see how a cover really looks we
always can report to a cover-AR-pic…
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Philip Jägenstedt phi...@foolip.org
wrote:
http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Style/Track_and_release_titles
This documentation isn't terribly clear, it doesn't say if the normal
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 18:37, Aurélien Mino a.m...@free.fr wrote:
On 05/22/2011 04:41 PM, Philip Jägenstedt wrote:
It seems rather silly to have separate works, but it also seems silly
that the instrumental versions should get a lyricist relationship if
they are linked to the single work
to mean. It seems to have been written by kuno, so perhaps he
would like to chime in?
It would be a pity if with NGS we *still* can't satisfy both people
who want the titles from the cover and those who want only normalized
titles, no?
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Philip Jägenstedt
/artist/ca264abf-3eb6-4d53-827b-6ab16988a4a3
(Cornelis Vreeswijk)
Both of these artists were born in another but moved to Sweden during
their childhoold, at age 1 and 12 respectively. Should the country be
the country of birth or Sweden?
--
Philip Jägenstedt
the Proposals
page themselves. :)
Brian
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Philip Jägenstedt phi...@foolip.org
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On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 17:18, Philip Jägenstedt phi...@foolip.org wrote:
http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Foolip/Capitalization_Standard_For_Transliterations
This changed
I see that in NGS beta 2 recordings can have a length set in the edit
UI. However, this doesn't seem to be related to the track length in
release listings. What's the purpose of the field?
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Philip Jägenstedt
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On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 17:18, Philip Jägenstedt phi...@foolip.org wrote:
http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Foolip/Capitalization_Standard_For_Transliterations
This changed a bit during RFC, so please read it again if you haven't
already done so. Note specifically that the scope is limited
making the needed changes (removing the proposal header,
adding the caps standard header, etc) to the proposal page? Navap can help
you with renaming the page away from the Proposal: namespace. :)
Brian
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Philip Jägenstedt phi...@foolip.org wrote:
Oh right, I
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 19:07, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com wrote:
2010/6/7, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com:
2010/6/7, Philip Jägenstedt phi...@foolip.org:
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:26, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com
wrote:
2010/6/7, Frederic Da Vitoria davito
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