[mb-style] RFC-Something: Instrumental Attribute for Performed Relationship Type

2011-06-09 Thread Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren
This would be pretty useful to make sure we don't claim recording X
(instrumental) has lyrics by Y once we start showing the
relationships at release level. Also, it would solve my doubts when
dealing with instrumental versions of hip hop tracks: it would allow
me to merge them as a same work unless they have their own ISWC (they
normally do not, although some do).

The best order would probably be is a {partial} {live} {instrumental}
{cover} performance of

http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Reosarevok/Performed_Relationship_Type_Instrumental_Attribute
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Re: [mb-style] RFC-Something: Instrumental Attribute for Performed Relationship Type

2011-06-09 Thread Calvin Walton
On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 22:46 +0300, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren wrote:
 This would be pretty useful to make sure we don't claim recording X
 (instrumental) has lyrics by Y once we start showing the
 relationships at release level. Also, it would solve my doubts when
 dealing with instrumental versions of hip hop tracks: it would allow
 me to merge them as a same work unless they have their own ISWC (they
 normally do not, although some do).
 
 The best order would probably be is a {partial} {live} {instrumental}
 {cover} performance of
 
 http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Reosarevok/Performed_Relationship_Type_Instrumental_Attribute

This should probably have some extra wording added to take into account
karaoke recordings: In particular, that karaoke recordings /should not/
be marked as instrumental.
My reasoning:
  * Many karaoke tracks have portions of the vocals left in (e.g.
background/chorus vocals)
  * The intent of karaoke tracks is to be sung over top of, for that
they need lyrics :)
  * Unlike many pure instrumental versions, karaoke tracks are
almost always the same arrangement, and usually just a different
mix of the same recording.

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Re: [mb-style] RFC-Something: Instrumental Attribute for Performed Relationship Type

2011-06-09 Thread Calvin Walton
On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 15:55 -0400, Calvin Walton wrote:
 On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 22:46 +0300, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren wrote:
  This would be pretty useful to make sure we don't claim recording X
  (instrumental) has lyrics by Y once we start showing the
  relationships at release level. Also, it would solve my doubts when
  dealing with instrumental versions of hip hop tracks: it would allow
  me to merge them as a same work unless they have their own ISWC (they
  normally do not, although some do).
  
  The best order would probably be is a {partial} {live} {instrumental}
  {cover} performance of
  
  http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Reosarevok/Performed_Relationship_Type_Instrumental_Attribute
 
 This should probably have some extra wording added to take into account
 karaoke recordings: In particular, that karaoke recordings /should not/
 be marked as instrumental.

Oh, and other than that, you have a +1 from me :)

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Re: [mb-style] RFC-Something: Instrumental Attribute for Performed Relationship Type

2011-06-09 Thread Lemire, Sebastien
+1 here as well, I also there should be an attribute for the Karaoke version!

On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Calvin Walton calvin.wal...@kepstin.ca wrote:
 On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 15:55 -0400, Calvin Walton wrote:
 On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 22:46 +0300, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren wrote:
  This would be pretty useful to make sure we don't claim recording X
  (instrumental) has lyrics by Y once we start showing the
  relationships at release level. Also, it would solve my doubts when
  dealing with instrumental versions of hip hop tracks: it would allow
  me to merge them as a same work unless they have their own ISWC (they
  normally do not, although some do).
 
  The best order would probably be is a {partial} {live} {instrumental}
  {cover} performance of
 
  http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Reosarevok/Performed_Relationship_Type_Instrumental_Attribute

 This should probably have some extra wording added to take into account
 karaoke recordings: In particular, that karaoke recordings /should not/
 be marked as instrumental.

 Oh, and other than that, you have a +1 from me :)

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Re: [mb-style] RFC-Something: Instrumental Attribute for Performed Relationship Type

2011-06-09 Thread Calvin Walton
On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 15:59 -0400, Lemire, Sebastien wrote:
 On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Calvin Walton calvin.wal...@kepstin.ca 
 wrote:
  On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 15:55 -0400, Calvin Walton wrote:
  On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 22:46 +0300, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren wrote:
   This would be pretty useful to make sure we don't claim recording X
   (instrumental) has lyrics by Y once we start showing the
   relationships at release level. Also, it would solve my doubts when
   dealing with instrumental versions of hip hop tracks: it would allow
   me to merge them as a same work unless they have their own ISWC (they
   normally do not, although some do).
  
   The best order would probably be is a {partial} {live} {instrumental}
   {cover} performance of
 
  This should probably have some extra wording added to take into account
  karaoke recordings: In particular, that karaoke recordings /should not/
  be marked as instrumental.
 
  Oh, and other than that, you have a +1 from me :)
 
 +1 here as well, I also there should be an attribute for the Karaoke version!

I'm not sure whether that's a good idea. We already have the Recording →
Recording karaoke version AR to identify karaoke versions. If we start
adding attributes for everything, that’ll be a long list! (And I would
request 'a cappella' next, as a complement to instrumental.)

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Re: [mb-style] RFC-Something: Instrumental Attribute for Performed Relationship Type

2011-06-09 Thread Nikki
Lemire, Sebastien wrote:
 +1 here as well, I also there should be an attribute for the Karaoke version!

We already have a relationship for linking karaoke versions together.

Nikki

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Re: [mb-style] RFC-Something: Instrumental Attribute for Performed Relationship Type

2011-06-09 Thread Michael Wiencek
+1. I agree with the attribute order you suggested.

On Jun 9, 2011, at 2:46 PM, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren wrote:

 This would be pretty useful to make sure we don't claim recording X
 (instrumental) has lyrics by Y once we start showing the
 relationships at release level. Also, it would solve my doubts when
 dealing with instrumental versions of hip hop tracks: it would allow
 me to merge them as a same work unless they have their own ISWC (they
 normally do not, although some do).
 
 The best order would probably be is a {partial} {live} {instrumental}
 {cover} performance of
 
 http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Reosarevok/Performed_Relationship_Type_Instrumental_Attribute
 -- 
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