Re: [Mutopia-discuss] Peter Pan incidental music

[Javier Ruiz-Alma]

Hi Joel,As Knute points out, for syntax questions and special effects with 
LilyPond, the LP mailing list will offer you the best and deeper pool of 
knowledge.I offer my help looking at your code and making suggestions to 
facilitate later publishing in Mutopia.  These would be in the area of file 
structure, and if you wish to invest time in doing covers, TOC's, etc.MIDI 
optimization can be a low return-on-time-investment proposition.  There's some 
things I do invest time to correct on my MIDI's (mostly to quell my OCD)...like 
hidden tags to adjust volume, change tempos, but reality is LilyPond MIDI 
encoder still has lots of systemic shortcomings that preclude a quality 
rendering possible with other tools. Javier ruiz-almajav...@ruiz-alma.com 
 
  From: Knute Snortum <ksnor...@gmail.com>
 To: Joel C. Salomon <joelcsalo...@gmail.com> 
Cc: "mutopia-discuss@mutopiaproject.org" <mutopia-discuss@mutopiaproject.org>
 Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 12:40 PM
 Subject: Re: [Mutopia-discuss] Peter Pan incidental music
   
Sound like you could be posting those kind of questions to the LilyPond users 
mailing list:
https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user




---Knute Snortum(via Gmail)
On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Joel C. Salomon <joelcsalo...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

A year and a half ago, on 2014-12-23 7:10 PM, I wrote:
> I've just come across the incidental music to the original stage
> production of Peter Pan; or, The Boy who wouldn't Grow Up.

> At any rate, I've begun to re-typeset some of this in Lilypond with the
> intention of submitting this to Mutopia.  I've forked the project at
> GitHub; see https://github.com/jcsalomon/ MutopiaProject/commit/14e70804

Returning to this at long last…

While I do still intend to contribute a version of this effort to
Mutopia, I’m finding it easier to work on it as an independent project;
see <https://github.com/jcsalomon/ CrookJ-PeterPan>.

In the Releases page for that project, I have my current drafts of the
first 13 scores in this collection: LilyPond source, PDF score, and MIDI
rendering.

I can use some help with this from folks who are more familiar with
LilyPond or musical notation than I.  There are minor details (which
relative key is correct for any given score, whether any particular slur
should be a phrasing slur instead), more noticeable formatting issues
(how to program the accelerando/ritardando in PP04 “The Shadow Dance”,
or the change of singer in PP13 “The Building of the House”), and
LilyPond issues (are my score blocks overly complicated, or am I perhaps
missing some things that should be there? can I combine articulate.ly
with \acciaccatura? how do I make fermata sound better?).

—Joel C. Salomon

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Re: [Mutopia-discuss] Peter Pan incidental music

[Knute Snortum]

Sound like you could be posting those kind of questions to the LilyPond
users mailing list:

https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user




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On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Joel C. Salomon 
wrote:

> A year and a half ago, on 2014-12-23 7:10 PM, I wrote:
> > I've just come across the incidental music to the original stage
> > production of Peter Pan; or, The Boy who wouldn't Grow Up.
> 
> > At any rate, I've begun to re-typeset some of this in Lilypond with the
> > intention of submitting this to Mutopia.  I've forked the project at
> > GitHub; see https://github.com/jcsalomon/MutopiaProject/commit/14e70804
>
> Returning to this at long last…
>
> While I do still intend to contribute a version of this effort to
> Mutopia, I’m finding it easier to work on it as an independent project;
> see .
>
> In the Releases page for that project, I have my current drafts of the
> first 13 scores in this collection: LilyPond source, PDF score, and MIDI
> rendering.
>
> I can use some help with this from folks who are more familiar with
> LilyPond or musical notation than I.  There are minor details (which
> relative key is correct for any given score, whether any particular slur
> should be a phrasing slur instead), more noticeable formatting issues
> (how to program the accelerando/ritardando in PP04 “The Shadow Dance”,
> or the change of singer in PP13 “The Building of the House”), and
> LilyPond issues (are my score blocks overly complicated, or am I perhaps
> missing some things that should be there? can I combine articulate.ly
> with \acciaccatura? how do I make fermata sound better?).
>
> —Joel C. Salomon
>
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Re: [Mutopia-discuss] Peter Pan incidental music

[Joel C. Salomon]

A year and a half ago, on 2014-12-23 7:10 PM, I wrote:
> I've just come across the incidental music to the original stage
> production of Peter Pan; or, The Boy who wouldn't Grow Up.

> At any rate, I've begun to re-typeset some of this in Lilypond with the
> intention of submitting this to Mutopia.  I've forked the project at
> GitHub; see https://github.com/jcsalomon/MutopiaProject/commit/14e70804

Returning to this at long last…

While I do still intend to contribute a version of this effort to
Mutopia, I’m finding it easier to work on it as an independent project;
see .

In the Releases page for that project, I have my current drafts of the
first 13 scores in this collection: LilyPond source, PDF score, and MIDI
rendering.

I can use some help with this from folks who are more familiar with
LilyPond or musical notation than I.  There are minor details (which
relative key is correct for any given score, whether any particular slur
should be a phrasing slur instead), more noticeable formatting issues
(how to program the accelerando/ritardando in PP04 “The Shadow Dance”,
or the change of singer in PP13 “The Building of the House”), and
LilyPond issues (are my score blocks overly complicated, or am I perhaps
missing some things that should be there? can I combine articulate.ly
with \acciaccatura? how do I make fermata sound better?).

—Joel C. Salomon

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Re: [Mutopia-discuss] Peter Pan incidental music

[Joel C. Salomon]

On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 12:13 AM, Joel C. Salomon
joelcsalo...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 12/23/2014 11:31 PM, Edward Cannon wrote:
 Does anyone know if there are specific legal restrictions on this music
 in the UK? As I recall Peter Pan is under perpetual copyright there-I
 wonder if that extends to this music as well, or just the text of the
 play.
snip
 (But just in case, I wrote to the copyright folks at the GOSH to confirm
 this.)

The response came today:
 Dear Joel

 Thank you for your enquiry and your courtesy in contacting us.

 I am happy to confirm that GOSH does not have any rights in John
 Crook's music, which did not belong to Barrie neither, so the music
 would not have been part of the gift of the copyright to the work.

 Since Crook died in 1922, his work would be out of copyright in the EU
 and probably in the rest of the world as well.

 With best wishes

With that confirmation, I would ask that people take a look at what
I've uploaded to
https://github.com/jcsalomon/MutopiaProject/tree/peterpan/ftp/CrookJ/PeterPan
and comment on the Lilypond coding style.

--Joel

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Re: [Mutopia-discuss] Peter Pan incidental music

[Glen Larsen]

Taking a look at the title page on google books I would say that the source
field in the header should read:

  source = Price  Reynolds, 41, Berners Street W, London

This, along with the publication date, provide a clear statement of what
you used as a base for this transcription.

You may want to use the phrase, The Music to J. M. Barrie’s Successful
... as a subtitle, depending on how busy you want the top of the page to
look.

Regarding a new style called incidental: as you observed it is not a
style so much as it is an explanation for its purpose or, possibly, its
brevity. I think study or overture would fall into the same category.
In this collection, there is a music for The Pirates Depart which would
be a fair result when searching for a march so I'm leaning towards
selecting from existing styles.

This is a good place for that discussion but you could also add it as an
issue in github if you feel strongly about it.

-glen

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Joel C. Salomon joelcsalo...@gmail.com
wrote:

 On 12/23/2014 11:31 PM, Edward Cannon wrote:
  On Dec 23, 2014, at 7:53 PM, Joel C. Salomon joelcsalo...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Earlier this evening, I wrote:
  I've just come across the incidental music to the original stage
  production of Peter Pan; or, The Boy who wouldn't Grow Up.  Both Google
  Books (http://books.google.com/books?id=J-wQYAAJ) and the Internet
  Archive (https://archive.org/details/musictojmbarrie00barrgoog) seem
 to
  think this music, published in 1905, is in the public domain.
 snip
  According to http://worldcat.org/identities/lccn-no2002041637/, Crook
  lived from 1852--1922; his music is safely in the public domain.
 
  Does anyone know if there are specific legal restrictions on this music
  in the UK? As I recall Peter Pan is under perpetual copyright there-I
  wonder if that extends to this music as well, or just the text of the
  play.

 The text of the law, quoted at
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_and_Wendy#United_Kingdom, implies
 it would not apply to the music detached from a performance of the story.

 But there's no need to play lawyer about this:  J. M. Barrie gifted the
 copyright to Peter Pan to the GOSH, but the copyright to the music was
 never his to give away.  The copyright page on the PDF reads,
 COPYRIGHT, MCMV FOR ALL COUNTRIES BY PRICE  REYNOLDS., Price 
 Reynolds being the publishers of the song book; and what rights the
 publishers didn't own would have been Crook's -- or possibly the Duke of
 York's Theatre's.  In any case, this would never have been included in
 Barrie's gift.

 (But just in case, I wrote to the copyright folks at the GOSH to confirm
 this.)

 --Joel

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Re: [Mutopia-discuss] Peter Pan incidental music

[Joel C. Salomon]

On 12/23/2014 11:31 PM, Edward Cannon wrote:
 On Dec 23, 2014, at 7:53 PM, Joel C. Salomon joelcsalo...@gmail.com wrote:
 Earlier this evening, I wrote:
 I've just come across the incidental music to the original stage
 production of Peter Pan; or, The Boy who wouldn't Grow Up.  Both Google
 Books (http://books.google.com/books?id=J-wQYAAJ) and the Internet
 Archive (https://archive.org/details/musictojmbarrie00barrgoog) seem to
 think this music, published in 1905, is in the public domain.
snip
 According to http://worldcat.org/identities/lccn-no2002041637/, Crook
 lived from 1852--1922; his music is safely in the public domain.

 Does anyone know if there are specific legal restrictions on this music
 in the UK? As I recall Peter Pan is under perpetual copyright there-I
 wonder if that extends to this music as well, or just the text of the
 play.

The text of the law, quoted at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_and_Wendy#United_Kingdom, implies
it would not apply to the music detached from a performance of the story.

But there's no need to play lawyer about this:  J. M. Barrie gifted the
copyright to Peter Pan to the GOSH, but the copyright to the music was
never his to give away.  The copyright page on the PDF reads,
COPYRIGHT, MCMV FOR ALL COUNTRIES BY PRICE  REYNOLDS., Price 
Reynolds being the publishers of the song book; and what rights the
publishers didn't own would have been Crook's -- or possibly the Duke of
York's Theatre's.  In any case, this would never have been included in
Barrie's gift.

(But just in case, I wrote to the copyright folks at the GOSH to confirm
this.)

--Joel

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