Re: Why sign every message? (was Re: Sending attachments without crypt_autosign

2013-03-16 Thread Kevin J. McCarthy
Florian Lohoff wrote: I my wet dreams i' encrypting every single message. But mutt is not very helpful in this. Yes - it can encrypt but i'd like mutt to decide automatically when it's capable of encrypting the mail (remember multiple To:, Cc:, Bcc). It would be okay to encrypt a mail if i

Re: Why sign every message? (was Re: Sending attachments without crypt_autosign

2013-03-09 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Mar 06, 2013 at 09:37:46AM -0600, Dale Raby wrote: I sign most of my messages, even though I only know a few people who actively use GnuPG/PGP. As I see it, this is one way of promoting encryption. I.e.: What is that block of gibberish you have at the end of your emails? That, my

Re: Why sign every message? (was Re: Sending attachments without crypt_autosign

2013-03-09 Thread s. keeling
Incoming from Chris Bannister: Is it true that if you want to correspond with people on windoze who use outhouse then it becomes tricky? I. Don't. Care. [about them]. However, it might present a good opportunity to mention Firefox (or Opera) and Cygwin. Yes, I am (seriously!) biased.

Re: Why sign every message? (was Re: Sending attachments without crypt_autosign

2013-03-06 Thread Florian Lohoff
Hi, On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 01:24:44PM -0600, Will Fiveash wrote: I have a couple of comments about this: - Why sign most messages? Unless the information is important for others to verify that it came from a particular person why add the bloat of a signature. Beyond this I find it

Re: Why sign every message? (was Re: Sending attachments without crypt_autosign

2013-03-06 Thread s. keeling
Incoming from Florian Lohoff: On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 01:24:44PM -0600, Will Fiveash wrote: I have a couple of comments about this: - Why sign most messages? Unless the information is important for others to verify that it came from a particular person why add the bloat of a

Re: Why sign every message? (was Re: Sending attachments without crypt_autosign

2013-03-06 Thread Dale Raby
I sign most of my messages, even though I only know a few people who actively use GnuPG/PGP. As I see it, this is one way of promoting encryption. I.e.: What is that block of gibberish you have at the end of your emails? That, my friend is my public key. If you have the right software you can

Re: Why sign every message? (was Re: Sending attachments without crypt_autosign

2013-03-06 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Dale Raby daler...@gmail.com [03-06-13 10:39]: [...] I see no problem in signing list posts. For those who want to verify them, its easy to set up, those who don't can ignore them just as easily. Its not like you are printing them out and reading them from paper, after all. Which is the

Re: Why sign every message? (was Re: Sending attachments without crypt_autosign

2013-03-06 Thread s. keeling
Incoming from Dale Raby: encryption. I.e.: What is that block of gibberish you have at the end of your emails? That, my friend is my public key. If you have the right software you can verify that I sent you that message, and we can even send encrypted emails that nobody else can read but

Re: Why sign every message? (was Re: Sending attachments without crypt_autosign

2013-03-06 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Wed, Mar 06, 2013 at 09:37:46AM -0600, Dale Raby wrote: I sign most of my messages, even though I only know a few people who actively use GnuPG/PGP. As I see it, this is one way of promoting encryption. I.e.: What is that block of gibberish you have at the end of your emails? That, my

Re: Why sign every message? (was Re: Sending attachments without crypt_autosign

2013-03-06 Thread Will Fiveash
On Wed, Mar 06, 2013 at 03:22:47PM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Wed, Mar 06, 2013 at 09:37:46AM -0600, Dale Raby wrote: I sign most of my messages, even though I only know a few people who actively use GnuPG/PGP. As I see it, this is one way of promoting encryption. I.e.: What is that

Re: Why sign every message? (was Re: Sending attachments without crypt_autosign

2013-03-06 Thread s. keeling
Incoming from Robert Holtzman: Your dreaming. In my experience 99.9% of the replies are why would I want to? That's when you get a chance to explain it. Wouldn't it be neat if you could order weed from your dealer via email? :-O As opposed to over the phone with ATT forwarding all your

Re: Why sign every message? (was Re: Sending attachments without crypt_autosign

2013-03-06 Thread s. keeling
Incoming from Will Fiveash: As a side note, I wonder if a pgp/gpg signature as proof of authorship has ever been tested in court? My guess is no. The legal community considers fax to be cutting edge reliable tech. -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.

Re: Why sign every message? (was Re: Sending attachments without crypt_autosign

2013-03-06 Thread Jeremy Kitchen
On Wed, Mar 06, 2013 at 04:35:07PM -0700, s. keeling wrote: Incoming from Robert Holtzman: Your dreaming. In my experience 99.9% of the replies are why would I want to? That's when you get a chance to explain it. Wouldn't it be neat if you could order weed from your dealer via email?

Re: Why sign every message? (was Re: Sending attachments without crypt_autosign

2013-03-05 Thread Paul
On Thursday, 28 February, 2013 at 19:24:44 GMT, Will Fiveash wrote: - Why sign most messages? I'd rather everyone/everything use PGP. I sign personal messages, even though I know the recipient doesn't use PGP, to at least spread awareness of what it is and that on the off-chance that the

Re: Sending attachments without crypt_autosign

2013-03-05 Thread David Haguenauer
* Stefan Wimmer swim...@xs4all.nl, 2013-03-01 13:31:26 Fri: * Will Fiveash will.five...@oracle.com [2013-03-01 00:14]: On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 05:03:23PM -0600, Will Fiveash wrote: On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 03:35:44PM -0500, David Haguenauer wrote: I patched my copy of mutt so that it will let

Re: Why sign every message? (was Re: Sending attachments without crypt_autosign

2013-03-02 Thread Will Fiveash
On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 06:34:03PM -0800, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote: Will Fiveash wrote: The why is that you are adding needless bloat to most messages you send. One person's needless bloat is another's digital signature, I guess. Yep, just like one salesperson's HTML format e-mail with a

Re: Sending attachments without crypt_autosign

2013-03-01 Thread Stefan Wimmer
* Will Fiveash will.five...@oracle.com [2013-03-01 00:14]: On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 05:03:23PM -0600, Will Fiveash wrote: On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 03:35:44PM -0500, David Haguenauer wrote: * Stefan Wimmer swim...@xs4all.nl, 2013-02-28 12:55:39 Thu: I recently started to sign all my mails and it

Re: Why sign every message? (was Re: Sending attachments without crypt_autosign

2013-03-01 Thread Mark H. Wood
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 01:24:44PM -0600, Will Fiveash wrote: On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:55:39PM +0100, Stefan Wimmer wrote: Hi all, I recently started to sign all my mails and it took me little time to find out that you can't delete attachments in signed/encrypted mails ... ;-) Now

Re: Why sign every message? (was Re: Sending attachments without crypt_autosign

2013-03-01 Thread Kevin J. McCarthy
Will Fiveash wrote: The why is that you are adding needless bloat to most messages you send. One person's needless bloat is another's digital signature, I guess. Take for example the message you sent that I'm responding to. Does anyone care that it actually came from you and wasn't tampered

Sending attachments without crypt_autosign

2013-02-28 Thread Stefan Wimmer
Hi all, I recently started to sign all my mails and it took me little time to find out that you can't delete attachments in signed/encrypted mails ... ;-) Now I want to automate the way I use crypt_autosign that mutt checks first if there is an attachment and only signs the mail if that's

Why sign every message? (was Re: Sending attachments without crypt_autosign

2013-02-28 Thread Will Fiveash
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:55:39PM +0100, Stefan Wimmer wrote: Hi all, I recently started to sign all my mails and it took me little time to find out that you can't delete attachments in signed/encrypted mails ... ;-) Now I want to automate the way I use crypt_autosign that mutt checks

Re: Why sign every message? (was Re: Sending attachments without crypt_autosign

2013-02-28 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Will Fiveash will.five...@oracle.com [02-28-13 14:25]: [...] I have a couple of comments about this: - Why sign most messages? Unless the information is important for others to verify that it came from a particular person why add the bloat of a signature. Beyond this I find it

Re: Why sign every message? (was Sending attachments without crypt_autosign

2013-02-28 Thread Stefan Wimmer
* Patrick Shanahan ptilopt...@gmail.com [2013-02-28 20:38]: * Will Fiveash will.five...@oracle.com [02-28-13 14:25]: [...] I have a couple of comments about this: - Why sign most messages? Unless the information is important for others to verify that it came from a particular person why add

Re: Sending attachments without crypt_autosign

2013-02-28 Thread David Haguenauer
* Stefan Wimmer swim...@xs4all.nl, 2013-02-28 12:55:39 Thu: I recently started to sign all my mails and it took me little time to find out that you can't delete attachments in signed/encrypted mails ... ;-) I patched my copy of mutt so that it will let me delete attachments from encrypted

Re: Why sign every message? (was Sending attachments without crypt_autosign

2013-02-28 Thread Will Fiveash
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 09:30:47PM +0100, Stefan Wimmer wrote: * Patrick Shanahan ptilopt...@gmail.com [2013-02-28 20:38]: * Will Fiveash will.five...@oracle.com [02-28-13 14:25]: [...] I have a couple of comments about this: - Why sign most messages? Unless the information is important

Re: Why sign every message? (was Sending attachments without crypt_autosign

2013-02-28 Thread Jeremy Kitchen
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 02:43:36PM -0600, Will Fiveash wrote: I wasn't referring to you specifically as I see you did publish your pubkey properly. Instead, I was referring to others (like s.keeling) that sign everything yet I can not retrieve their pubkey. I'm actually working with him on

Re: Sending attachments without crypt_autosign

2013-02-28 Thread Will Fiveash
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 03:35:44PM -0500, David Haguenauer wrote: * Stefan Wimmer swim...@xs4all.nl, 2013-02-28 12:55:39 Thu: I recently started to sign all my mails and it took me little time to find out that you can't delete attachments in signed/encrypted mails ... ;-) I patched my

Re: Sending attachments without crypt_autosign

2013-02-28 Thread Will Fiveash
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 05:03:23PM -0600, Will Fiveash wrote: On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 03:35:44PM -0500, David Haguenauer wrote: * Stefan Wimmer swim...@xs4all.nl, 2013-02-28 12:55:39 Thu: I recently started to sign all my mails and it took me little time to find out that you can't delete

Re: Why sign every message? (was Re: Sending attachments without crypt_autosign

2013-02-28 Thread s. keeling
Incoming from Will Fiveash: On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:55:39PM +0100, Stefan Wimmer wrote: I recently started to sign all my mails and it took me little time to find out that you can't delete attachments in signed/encrypted mails ... ;-) Now I want to automate the way I use

Re: Why sign every message? (was Sending attachments without crypt_autosign

2013-02-28 Thread s. keeling
Incoming from Will Fiveash: I wasn't referring to you specifically as I see you did publish your pubkey properly. Instead, I was referring to others (like s.keeling) that sign everything yet I can not retrieve their pubkey. ... which is very annoying to me too.