Re: GPG-PGP
hello, just to say that I finally win :) I convert 3 friends to use mutt and they're really happy now ;) On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 10:18:50PM, Benjamin Michotte wrote: [clip] Is it possible to ask mutt sending signed messages in line or must I force my friends to use mutt ? (I try but is difficult ;p) [clip] ---end quoted text--- happy new year to all, binny -- question = ( to ) ? be : ! be; -- Wm. Shakespeare °v° Benjamin Michotte[EMAIL PROTECTED] _o_ web : http://www.baby-linux.net msg22023/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: GPG-PGP
On Mon, 31 Dec 2001, Benjamin Michotte wrote: just to say that I finally win :) I convert 3 friends to use mutt and they're really happy now ;) On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 10:18:50PM, Benjamin Michotte wrote: Is it possible to ask mutt sending signed messages in line or must I force my friends to use mutt ? (I try but is difficult ;p) I used mutt a few months ago but gave up on it because I couldn't figure out how to do things that I could easily do with pine. This month I finally had the time to sit down for a few hours and carefully read through the mutt manual so that I could configure everything just how I needed it (remember my earlier posts about configuring vim to do paragraph formatting even with quoted text, viewing images on my desktop by ZMODEM send over ssh, etc.). I think that mutt is a good e-mail client, but the default configuration is sub-optimal (vim doesn't format paragraphs well by default, some of the key bindings are counterintuitive IMHO, etc.). In order for a newer user to get into mutt, he has to be able to use it how he wants. My next mutt project: SSH-before-WWW (inspired by POP-before-SMTP). I have been using ZMODEM to send attachments back to my desktop for saving/displaying, but ZMODEM doesn't work ever since I started running mutt in screen. Instead of using ZMODEM, I'm going to put the files into a directory on my web server; this directory will be protected such that only IP addresses currently logged into my account can view it.
Re: GPG-PGP
Philip, et al -- ...and then Philip Mak said... % % On Mon, 31 Dec 2001, Benjamin Michotte wrote: % % just to say that I finally win :) % I convert 3 friends to use mutt and they're really happy now ;) Yay! Good job :-) ... % I used mutt a few months ago but gave up on it because I couldn't figure % out how to do things that I could easily do with pine. ... % I think that mutt is a good e-mail client, but the default configuration % is sub-optimal (vim doesn't format paragraphs well by default, some of the % key bindings are counterintuitive IMHO, etc.). In order for a newer user % to get into mutt, he has to be able to use it how he wants. I agree with the final statement in this paragraph. May I humbly request that you take copious notes of everything that you've found challenging or lacking, particularly if you've found a workaround, so that you can document that for other new users. mutt is powerful. mutt is highly configurable. mutt is a precision tool, akin to a high-performance race car. It is not, by any means, a run-of-the-mill product like a basic automobile, and it doesn't try to be. In that sense, it's not surprising that the average, much less new, driver (er, user) has some difficulty fitting into the driver's seat (er, muttrc file) and adjusting the settings properly and then managing to just drive it around a closed track (er, send some email). With some training and practice, though, this same person can soon be flying around the track in record time, executing smooth passes and doing generally everything more quickly, more gracefully, and more easily than the competition (er, so the analogy gets a little stretched here; you get the idea). There is a mutt-newbie project at sourceforge, and Roman has a mutt HOWTO project going, and there are probably others. Many people have tried to get some basic, groundbreaking mutt documentation together to show new users the basics of whipping up an SMTP server, choosing an editor, using gpg or PGP, and so on. The biggest problem is that we experienced drivers have forgotten what it's like to touch the brake as carefully as possible and still draw a nosebleed against the steering wheel, even if we still have the bloody kleenex (er, excessive comments ;-) strewn around our car and its files. I agree that the best thing would probably be a best-of forum outlining how to do this and where to do that, organized for the newbie without any other confusing clutter but kept up to date and therefore also moderated somehow -- but who, even among us who really, really, really like mutt, has the time (and permanence) to commit to that? Thus we have multiple projects going on and nothing that's yet polished or complete enough for the users. P.S. to the developers -- If one of these projects *does* settle into stability, perhaps a big, blinking pointer to (if not even a snapshot copy of) it should be included in the distribution -- even though it's not something from the development group -- so that folks at least looking at the README will get a helpful pointer. % % My next mutt project: SSH-before-WWW (inspired by POP-before-SMTP). I have % been using ZMODEM to send attachments back to my desktop for % saving/displaying, but ZMODEM doesn't work ever since I started running I % mutt in screen. Instead of using ZMODEM, I'm going to put the files into a % directory on my web server; this directory will be protected such that % only IP addresses currently logged into my account can view it. Good idea. Make sure you send yourself a URL in mutt, too, so that you can line-click on it and paste it into your browser so that it's easy to load up the image; I have my faxes-by-email processed (TIFF - JPG conversion and web page layout) by procmail at receipt time and generate a response to myself with the URL in it, for instance, but your script might instead simply spit out the detached attachment's URL on a blank line as part of the pipe when you run it... TIA HTH HAND Happy Holidays to all :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg22025/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Please help verify my procmail settings to go with mutt
Hi, I'm trying to substitute Mutt with Mozilla. One important porting work is dealing with the multiple accounts I keep, especially the mailing list. * But I found the flow of incoming mail dropping down. vim mailing list sent me a message telling me my mail is bouncing. On 12/28 and 29, I received about 20 mails from mutt-users. But 12/30 I had no more than 5. It also happened to [EMAIL PROTECTED], dropping from 20-30 down to 4. (But my testing mail all survived.) (My MTA is postfix (on Mandrake 8.1). Mutt is 1.3.24i. procmail 3.21.) I wonder whether the following files (copied from 'man procmail') have anything wrong. Help, please. * My ~/.forward: |IFS=' 'p=/usr/bin/procmailtest -f $pexec $p -Yf-||exit 75 #jie (Could anybody help explain: 1. Why IFS=' ' checking? 2. Why the options -Yf- in exec $p -Yf-? 3. Why exit 75? ) * My ~/.procmailrc: MAILDIR=$HOME/Mail #you'd better make sure it exists #DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/mbox #completely optional LOGFILE=$MAILDIR/proc.log #recommended :0: * ^(To|CC|From): .*mutt-users mbox.mutt :0: * ^(To|CC|From): .*[EMAIL PROTECTED] mbox.vim :0: * ^Subject: .*Fwd?: mbox.fw :0 * ^Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mbox.spam If I can not handle multiple accounts well with mutt, I may need to go back to Mozilla or Netscape, which are so heavy. Thank you in advance, charlie -- Charles Jie (¬ö¬K¿³) Keya Technologies (¶}¶®¬ì§Þ) (O) +886 2 2936 0813 (Mobile) 0920 397 746
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Re: mutt document in korean
* Michael Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2001-12-07 10:37]: On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 09:33:07PM +0300, Im Eunjea wrote: I wrote some page about Mutt in korean language. http://kltp.kldp.org/eunjea/mutt.php And I'm doing translation mutt manual(from source tarball) also. http://kltp.kldp.org/eunjea/mutt/ it's not finished yet but soon. Thank you! Let us know when you are done and we can include a link to it from our web page. me I'm glad to announce ``Mutt Korean User Group'' http://mutt.kldp.org/. also, mutt korean user mailing list http://list.kldp.org/mailman/listinfo/mutt. I finished translate mutt manual (v1.3.24). http://mutt.kldp.org/doc/ or http://kldp.org/~eunjea/mutt/. happy new year holidays to ALL! -- Eunjea [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kldp.org/~eunjea/ GnuPG fingerprint: 08C9 2D3F 91B2 D395 2EFF 4C33 544C 321C E194 91CF
Re: Please help verify my procmail settings to go with mutt
Charles -- ...and then Charles Jie said... % % Hi, % % I'm trying to substitute Mutt with Mozilla. % % One important porting work is dealing with the multiple accounts I keep, % especially the mailing list. Piece of cake with mutt. % % * But I found the flow of incoming mail dropping down. vim mailing list % sent me a message telling me my mail is bouncing. That certainly doesn't sound like it has anything to do with mutt, which simply reads mail that has arrived. % % On 12/28 and 29, I received about 20 mails from mutt-users. But 12/30 I % had no more than 5. It also happened to [EMAIL PROTECTED], dropping from % 20-30 down to 4. (But my testing mail all survived.) % % (My MTA is postfix (on Mandrake 8.1). Mutt is 1.3.24i. procmail 3.21.) % I wonder whether the following files (copied from 'man procmail') have % anything wrong. Help, please. You'd probably get better results from a procmail users' mailing list, but I'll try.. % % * My ~/.forward: % % |IFS=' 'p=/usr/bin/procmailtest -f $pexec $p -Yf-||exit 75 #jie % % (Could anybody help explain: % 1. Why IFS=' ' checking? % 2. Why the options -Yf- in exec $p -Yf-? % 3. Why exit 75? % ) These are all in the manual pages for procmail (probably procmailrc and procmailex, but #2 is in the main procmail page). From my recollection: - ensuring that the input field separator is set to space instead of to whatever it might have been reset - -Y means ignore Content-Length: headers; -f mean update (create if necessary) the ^From_ line - 75 tells your MTA to requeue and attempt delivery again later % % * My ~/.procmailrc: % % % MAILDIR=$HOME/Mail#you'd better make sure it exists % #DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/mbox#completely optional % LOGFILE=$MAILDIR/proc.log #recommended You should probably set VERBOSE=yes as well aso that you get more information in your $MAILDIR/proc.log % % :0: % * ^(To|CC|From): .*mutt-users % mbox.mutt % % :0: % * ^(To|CC|From): .*[EMAIL PROTECTED] % mbox.vim % % :0: % * ^Subject: .*Fwd?: % mbox.fw % % :0 % * ^Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] % mbox.spam Since you don't bounce any messages in these rules and I'll assume that you've checked these folders to see if they collect mail, I'd say procmail looks fine. What happens if you rename your .forward file and take procmail out of the loop for a try, though? % % If I can not handle multiple accounts well with mutt, I may need to go It ain't mutt that's your problem; I'd say that it's your [Local or] Mail Delivery Agent. % back to Mozilla or Netscape, which are so heavy. They are, indeed. % % Thank you in advance, % charlie % % -- % Charles Jie (???K??) Keya Technologies (?}??) % (O) +886 2 2936 0813 (Mobile) 0920 397 746 HTH HAND Happy Holidays to all :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg22029/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Attachment umask
Markus -- ...and then Markus Boelter said... % % Hello! % % Is it possible to set the Save-Attachment-Umask to % 022? Is it also possible to define a path in the configuration? Not AFAIK. I whipped up a little script to set the umask, change to a directory, and then pump the message through munpack to detach the items. I named the script wmunpack and, except for receiving attachments in an encrypted email (in which I decrypt-save to the mailbox and run wmunpack from there), it's easier for me than going into the attachment menu and detaching something there. % % I want to save all attachments in ~/attachments and export % this dir via nfs onto my workstation/webserver. I do basically the same thing. % % Tnx! % Markus :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg22030/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Attachment umask
Markus -- ...and then Markus Boelter said... % % Hi! Hello! % % On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 07:22:47AM -0500, David T-G wrote: % % [...] % I named the script wmunpack and, except for receiving attachments in an % encrypted email (in which I decrypt-save to the mailbox and run wmunpack % from there), it's easier for me than going into the attachment menu and % detaching something there. % Nice! Is it rude to ask you to send me your Script *smile* :) Thanks, and not at all. In fact, in case otherss might want it, ... :-) % How did you inserted it into mutt? Or is it called by procmail? I didn't and it isn't; I just put my cursor on a messagee and |wmunpack to extract the attachments. I'd rather keep the attachments on the original messages for archiving, so I don't strip them Eudora-style, and I don't usually keep attachments out forever (though some favorite pix are certainly still there). I should probably read the message to grab the messae-id and make a dir based on that (except for email from Rob ;-) but this works and I'm lazy. A simple date-sort of the dir puts all of the new files together anyway. % % % I want to save all attachments in ~/attachments and export % % this dir via nfs onto my workstation/webserver. % I do basically the same thing. % :) % % Thanks so far and how we say in Germany: slide good into the % next year! :) And to you! % % Markus % % -- % please don't send me html-messages! % pgp-fingerprint: 0FFC 3A33 8B54 DDB9 0F3D BFD5 CFB1 6038 FB0E 1D5B % pgp-public-key: http://www.mittenachtsstun.de/gpg-key.markus.txt BTW,I couln't find this host to get your public key... :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! #!/bin/sh # quickie to munpack from email to web dir WWW=$HOME/www/attach case $1 in -p ) DIR=pix ;; -d ) DIR=doc ;; * ) DIR=tmp ;; esac umask 022 cd $WWW/$DIR munpack msg22031/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Timestamps feature
The reason mutt does this is that a number of new mail notifier programs (such as xbiff and pals) use the modification time to detect the arrival of new mail. If mutt did modify the mtime, then everytime you (for example) deleted an email, you would be notified of having new mail, which I'm sure would annoy you a great deal more. Ok, but when is the N flag going to dissapear? PS. Sorry about this ugly reply but I'm not on the list
$display_filter perl script
Hi, [ Note: I am no longer subscribed to this list, so please Cc me on any followups ] I've attached a script to be used as a $display_filter. It is an extension of the quotefix ruby script Thomas Hurst posted sometime back. It is my first attempt at perl, so it _will_ get better over time. But, I thought some of you may be interested in it. pv. -- Prahlad Vaidyanathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Batteries not included. display_filter.pl Description: Perl program msg22033/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Binary version for MUTT
Title: Binary version for MUTT Dear all I Checked out the set of source code for MUTT and was trying to install and build following the procedure. However we have a C++ compiler and it gives errors in codes. Even after converting C code to C++ it fails later as key words New , delete etc are used. Is there any place from where i can download the Binary tar of MUTT for UNIX operating system, without having to compile. I could find one for Linux which does not run on UNIX. Regards Mohit * This message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print, or rely on this message. Please notify the sender by return email and then delete the message from your computer. Royal Skandia accepts no responsibility for changes made to this message after it was sent nor for any loss or damage from receipt or use. Royal Skandia Life Assurance Limited - a member of the Skandia Group of Companies - Reg No: 24916 Isle of Man - Registered Office: Skandia House, Finch Road, Douglas, Isle of Man IM99 1NU, British Isles - Regulated by the Personal Investment Authority for UK Investment Business - Member of the Association of International Life Offices. Internet: http://www.royalskandia.com *
Re: Binary version for MUTT
Mohit -- ...and then Srivastava, Mohit said... % % Dear all % I Checked out the set of source code for MUTT and was trying to install and % build following the procedure. % However we have a C++ compiler and it gives errors in codes. Even after % converting C code to C++ it fails later as key words New , delete etc are % used. What flavor of UNIX do you have? There are many. A well-known and well-tested free compiler is the GNU C/C++ compiler. You might surf over to www.gnu.org and download a copy of that, and then build it and then build mutt (or anything else). Don't ask questions about it here, though; we don't know or aren't telling :-) % Is there any place from where i can download the Binary tar of MUTT for UNIX % operating system, without having to compile. % I could find one for Linux which does not run on UNIX. You might try mutt.linuxatwork.at, but I think we only have Linux RPMs there. Hmmm... Perhaps we could add others, like Solaris packages. Again, what flavor are you running? % % Regards % Mohit HTH HAND Happy Holidays to all :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg22035/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Binary version for MUTT
Mohit -- ...and then Srivastava, Mohit said... % % we have Solaris 5.7 % we tried installing GNU C compiler buw were having problems. How interesting. It's usually fairly straightforward; sunfreeware.com even has a precompiled package version. % It would be great if u can add for for Solaris . We'll take that under advisement. We'll have to get someone who can build it, though. Care to send me a machine? ;-) % % Thanks and regards % Mohit HTH HAND Happy Holidays to all :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg22036/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Binary version for MUTT
Mohit, et al -- ...and then David T-G said... % % ...and then Srivastava, Mohit said... % % % % we have Solaris 5.7 % % we tried installing GNU C compiler buw were having problems. % % How interesting. It's usually fairly straightforward; sunfreeware.com % even has a precompiled package version. Hah! In fact, I see that SFW has a package of 1.0pre2 (from long, long ago). Perhaps as soon as 1.3.x becomes 1.4 we'll ask Steve to update his packages -- which will help you as well. You might also surf over to http://everythingsolaris.org/articles/iaug/index.html to check out the tip sheet on installing gcc. % % % % It would be great if u can add for for Solaris . % % We'll take that under advisement. We'll have to get someone who can % build it, though. Care to send me a machine? ;-) I'll still take this if it's available! % % HTH HAND Happy Holidays to all ^^2 :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg22037/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Timestamps feature
Felipe -- ...and then Felipe Contreras said... % % The reason mutt does this is that a number of new mail notifier programs % (such as xbiff and pals) use the modification time to detect the arrival % of new mail. If mutt did modify the mtime, then everytime you (for % example) deleted an email, you would be notified of having new mail, % which I'm sure would annoy you a great deal more. % % Ok, but when is the N flag going to dissapear? When the atime is equal to or later than the mtime; see the mutt manual for more details. % % PS. Sorry about this ugly reply but I'm not on the list You should join! HTH HAND Happy Holidays to all :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg22038/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Binary version for MUTT
So sprach »Srivastava, Mohit« am 2001-12-31 um 14:27:52 - : I could find one for Linux which does not run on UNIX. Which UNIX? * This message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print, or rely on this message. Please notify the sender by return email and then delete the message from your computer. Royal Skandia accepts no responsibility for changes made to this message after it was sent nor for any loss or damage from receipt or use. Royal Skandia Life Assurance Limited - a member of the Skandia Group of Companies - Reg No: 24916 Isle of Man - Registered Office: Skandia House, Finch Road, Douglas, Isle of Man IM99 1NU, British Isles - Regulated by the Personal Investment Authority for UK Investment Business - Member of the Association of International Life Offices. Internet: http://www.royalskandia.com * Please don't append this footer. After all, it's meaning less - at the very least for mailing list mails. Alexander Skwar -- How to quote: http://learn.to/quote (german) http://quote.6x.to (english) Homepage: http://www.iso-top.de | Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iso-top.de - Die günstige Art an Linux Distributionen zu kommen Uptime: 14 days 22 hours 48 minutes
RE: Binary version for MUTT
Title: RE: Binary version for MUTT we have Solaris 5.7 we tried installing GNU C compiler buw were having problems. It would be great if u can add for for Solaris . Thanks and regards Mohit -Original Message- From: David T-G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 2:47 PM To: Mutt Users' List Cc: Srivastava, Mohit Subject: Re: Binary version for MUTT Mohit -- ...and then Srivastava, Mohit said... % % Dear all % I Checked out the set of source code for MUTT and was trying to install and % build following the procedure. % However we have a C++ compiler and it gives errors in codes. Even after % converting C code to C++ it fails later as key words New , delete etc are % used. What flavor of UNIX do you have? There are many. A well-known and well-tested free compiler is the GNU C/C++ compiler. You might surf over to www.gnu.org and download a copy of that, and then build it and then build mutt (or anything else). Don't ask questions about it here, though; we don't know or aren't telling :-) % Is there any place from where i can download the Binary tar of MUTT for UNIX % operating system, without having to compile. % I could find one for Linux which does not run on UNIX. You might try mutt.linuxatwork.at, but I think we only have Linux RPMs there. Hmmm... Perhaps we could add others, like Solaris packages. Again, what flavor are you running? % % Regards % Mohit HTH HAND Happy Holidays to all :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/ Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! * This message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print, or rely on this message. Please notify the sender by return email and then delete the message from your computer. Royal Skandia accepts no responsibility for changes made to this message after it was sent nor for any loss or damage from receipt or use. Royal Skandia Life Assurance Limited - a member of the Skandia Group of Companies - Reg No: 24916 Isle of Man - Registered Office: Skandia House, Finch Road, Douglas, Isle of Man IM99 1NU, British Isles - Regulated by the Personal Investment Authority for UK Investment Business - Member of the Association of International Life Offices. Internet: http://www.royalskandia.com *
Re: GPG-PGP
Just picking a random point here... On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 05:04:22AM -0500 I heard the voice of Philip Mak, and lo! it spake thus: I think that mutt is a good e-mail client, but the default configuration is sub-optimal (vim doesn't format paragraphs well by default, some of the Well, vim does whatever you've configured it to do, it's not a part of mutt :) Thus, either vim was doing the same bad formatting using it under pine (and I remember it being an IMMENSE pain to use an external editor in pine), or you were just using *twitch*shudder* pico, in which case you could *twitch*shudder* use pico for your editor in mutt just as easily. When I made the pine-mutt switch, back around 0.6 days, I was lucky in having a friend who used mutt, who thinks in ways vaguely like the ways I do, so I just snarfed his .muttrc and went with it. I still have pine-remnants in my config (my change-folder is still bound to 'l', for instance, but that works out to be more efficient anyway. Composing a new message is bound to 'c', and that is probably LESS efficient, but that point's more arguable). -- Matthew Fuller (MF4839) |[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unix Systems Administrator |[EMAIL PROTECTED] Specializing in FreeBSD |http://www.over-yonder.net/ The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is because I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet
Re: Please help verify my procmail settings to go with mutt
Charles Jie wrote: (My MTA is postfix (on Mandrake 8.1). Mutt is 1.3.24i. procmail 3.21.) I wonder whether the following files (copied from 'man procmail') have anything wrong. Help, please. * My ~/.forward: |IFS=' 'p=/usr/bin/procmailtest -f $pexec $p -Yf-||exit 75 #jie with postfix, just: | /usr/bin/procmail -t should be fine. the fancy sendmail style trickery shouldn't be necessary. w
Re: Binary version for MUTT
Srivastava, Mohit wrote: we have Solaris 5.7 we tried installing GNU C compiler buw were having problems. It would be great if u can add for for Solaris . a few things... 1) you're probably going to need to install packages other than gcc. if you're using gcc, you should probably use the GNU binutils as well, rather than the one in /usr/ccs/bin there's a good list somewhere of things you need in order to compile stuff nicely on slowlaris. you'll want the sunos header files, the bundled ccs tools, bundled libc, bundled libm and bundled shared libm on solaris 8, you'd prolly want: SMCbinut SMCgcc SMClibgcc from the freeware site or installed from source. you may also want to install libiconv and ncurses from the sun freeware site or from source. and: SUNWbtool SUNWhea SUNWlibC SUNWlibCf SUNWlibm SUNWlibms SUNWtoo from the system. the package names may be different for 5.7; you might also want to look for a more complete list online. i think i had to do something like this: LDFLAGS=-Wl,-R/usr/local/lib ./configure --with-libiconv-prefix=/usr/local to get mutt to compile. i'm not sure if that's the right way to do it on solaris but it seemed to work.
Re: Please help verify my procmail settings to go with mutt
* Will Yardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] [31-12-2001 17:15]: | Charles Jie wrote: | | (My MTA is postfix (on Mandrake 8.1). Mutt is 1.3.24i. procmail 3.21.) | I wonder whether the following files (copied from 'man procmail') have | anything wrong. Help, please. | | * My ~/.forward: | | |IFS=' 'p=/usr/bin/procmailtest -f $pexec $p -Yf-||exit 75 #jie | | with postfix, just: | | /usr/bin/procmail -t | | should be fine. | | the fancy sendmail style trickery shouldn't be necessary. But, make sure in your postfix/main.cf the following line is present: mailbox_command = /usr/bin/procmail (or where ever your procmail resides) HTH, -- René Clerc - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) A pedestal is as much a prison as any small, confined space. -Gloria Steinem msg22044/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Thanks and a further question
Thank you very much, David. I like Mutt's configurability and think it's the best MUA of programmers, isn't it? I don't think the missing of mail is Mutt's fault, either. What I suspect is procmail, which I found hard to understand it in short term. I place my question in mutt-users@ (sorry :-) because I think it's inevitable for Mutt users to use procmail to the FILTER function like that available in Outlook or Netscape. And mutt users should have similar situation/consideration to mime. :) I'm happy my procmail setting is fine. I'll put it back and watch on. Thank you very much. Q: Is it possible to query Mutt server for a listing of posting for one day so that I can collate it with those mail I got? How? best regards, charlie
Re: Good vim configuration?
Hi Thomas, * Thomas Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Die 25 Dez 2001 12:14:19 GMT]: [ ... reformating paragraphs in replys ... ] I use par(1), http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~amc/Par/ How (with which parameters) do you use it? I saw it a few months ago but got confused with parameters... Ciao, Gregor
Re: Thanks and a further question
Charles Jie muttered: Q: Is it possible to query Mutt server for a listing of posting for one day so that I can collate it with those mail I got? How? Check the mutt homepage. There are some archives listed there. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mutt-users/ HTH, Michael -- PGP-Key: http://www-stud.ims.uni-stuttgart.de/~tatgeml/public.key
Re: Please help verify my procmail settings to go with mutt
René Clerc wrote: * Will Yardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] [31-12-2001 17:15]: with postfix, just: | /usr/bin/procmail -t should be fine. the fancy sendmail style trickery shouldn't be necessary. But, make sure in your postfix/main.cf the following line is present: mailbox_command = /usr/bin/procmail (or where ever your procmail resides) why is that necessary? if you have: | /path/to/procmail -t in a .forward file, changing main.cf is not necesary. also the -t flag should be used as well if you set 'mailbox_command' to procmail.
Where to put 'procmail'?
Thank you both for hints about procmail, Will and Ren. Your suggestions make me curious about the issue of procmail that I postpone putting back my .forward. 1. In main.cf, I found a line: mailbox_command = /usr/bin/procmail -Y -a $DOMAIN 2. In /var/log/syslog, I also found this command is run by postfix/local when I remove .forward. I have questions; Q1. I know the 'procmail' in .forward precedes that in main.cf. But can I just use mailbox_command in main.cf and forget .forward? Q2. If yes, do I need to append '-t' (fail softly) to the procmail command? Q3. How do I know whether I need to give the '-Y' option? Q4. I don't have the ENV variable $DOMAIN in shell, the '-a $DOMAIN' is OK? best regards, charlie On Mon, Dec 31, 2001 at 05:47:24PM +0100, Ren? Clerc wrote: * Will Yardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] [31-12-2001 17:15]: | Charles Jie wrote: | | (My MTA is postfix (on Mandrake 8.1). Mutt is 1.3.24i. procmail 3.21.) | I wonder whether the following files (copied from 'man procmail') have | anything wrong. Help, please. | | * My ~/.forward: | | |IFS=' 'p=/usr/bin/procmailtest -f $pexec $p -Yf-||exit 75 #jie | | with postfix, just: | | /usr/bin/procmail -t | | should be fine. | | the fancy sendmail style trickery shouldn't be necessary. But, make sure in your postfix/main.cf the following line is present: mailbox_command = /usr/bin/procmail (or where ever your procmail resides) HTH, -- Ren? Clerc - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) A pedestal is as much a prison as any small, confined space. -Gloria Steinem -- Charles Jie (¬ö¬K¿³) Keya Technologies (¶}¶®¬ì§Þ) (O) +886 2 2936 0813 (Mobile) 0920 397 746
Re: Where to put 'procmail'?
Charles Jie wrote: Your suggestions make me curious about the issue of procmail that I postpone putting back my .forward. 1. In main.cf, I found a line: mailbox_command = /usr/bin/procmail -Y -a $DOMAIN [...] Q1. I know the 'procmail' in .forward precedes that in main.cf. But can I just use mailbox_command in main.cf and forget .forward? yup. if your vendors configuration already has this, you don't need to put a .forward at all. just create your .procmailrc and you're all set. Q2. If yes, do I need to append '-t' (fail softly) to the procmail command? it's probably a good idea. Q3. How do I know whether I need to give the '-Y' option? -Y Assume traditional Berkeley mailbox format, ignore any Content-Length: fields. might as well leave it if it's part of the vendor supplied configuration. Q4. I don't have the ENV variable $DOMAIN in shell, the '-a $DOMAIN' is OK? i don't think this is necessary at all, but i could be wrong of course. i've never needed to set this (or add the -a $DOMAIN bit). note that if you have other users on this box, who don't use procmail, it may be better to use postfix's 'local' - which is the builtin LDA (and is a bit more efficient than procmail). if you're the only user on the box, it doesn't really matter where you put it. -w
Re: Good vim configuration?
* Gregor Zattler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: * Thomas Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Die 25 Dez 2001 12:14:19 GMT]: [ ... reformating paragraphs in replys ... ] I use par(1), http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~amc/Par/ How (with which parameters) do you use it? I saw it a few months ago but got confused with parameters... I stole PARINIT=grTbiqR B=.?_A_a Q=_s:| from someone and call it with the number of the column to wrap at as an argument, i.e. 'par 72'. -- Thomas 'Freaky' Hurst - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.aagh.net/ - FORTRAN is not a flower but a weed -- it is hardy, occasionally blooms, and grows in every computer. -- A.J. Perlis
List-Reply problems
Hi I'm having trouble replying to this list. If I enter ,L for a 'list-reply' I get the @gbnet address come up as the To field. I now have 'subscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED]' in my .muttrc but cannot seem to make it work. What might be causing this? Much thanks Nick
Re: Please help verify my procmail settings to go with mutt
If you have postfix, procmail, getmail (or whatever) logging at a reasonable level of verbosity, you will see the disposition of all messages, bounces and so forth, in your logs, eg, /var/log/mail.log, ~/Procmail/log, ~/.getmail/getmail.log. On 12/31/01, I received this from [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 19:05:28 +0800 From: Charles Jie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Please help verify my procmail settings to go with mutt Hi, I'm trying to substitute Mutt with Mozilla. One important porting work is dealing with the multiple accounts I keep, especially the mailing list. * But I found the flow of incoming mail dropping down. vim mailing list sent me a message telling me my mail is bouncing. On 12/28 and 29, I received about 20 mails from mutt-users. But 12/30 I had no more than 5. It also happened to [EMAIL PROTECTED], dropping from 20-30 down to 4. (But my testing mail all survived.) (My MTA is postfix (on Mandrake 8.1). Mutt is 1.3.24i. procmail 3.21.) I wonder whether the following files (copied from 'man procmail') have anything wrong. Help, please. * My ~/.forward: |IFS=' 'p=/usr/bin/procmailtest -f $pexec $p -Yf-||exit 75 #jie (Could anybody help explain: 1. Why IFS=' ' checking? 2. Why the options -Yf- in exec $p -Yf-? 3. Why exit 75? ) * My ~/.procmailrc: MAILDIR=$HOME/Mail#you'd better make sure it exists #DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/mbox#completely optional LOGFILE=$MAILDIR/proc.log #recommended :0: * ^(To|CC|From): .*mutt-users mbox.mutt :0: * ^(To|CC|From): .*[EMAIL PROTECTED] mbox.vim :0: * ^Subject: .*Fwd?: mbox.fw :0 * ^Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mbox.spam If I can not handle multiple accounts well with mutt, I may need to go back to Mozilla or Netscape, which are so heavy. Thank you in advance, charlie - -- Charles Jie (¬ö¬K¿³) Keya Technologies (¶}¶®¬ì§Þ) (O) +886 2 2936 0813 (Mobile) 0920 397 746 -- Mark Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Good vim configuration?
Alas! Thomas Hurst spake thus: How (with which parameters) do you use it? I saw it a few months ago but got confused with parameters... I stole PARINIT=grTbiqR B=.?_A_a Q=_s:| from someone and call it with If I'm not mistaken, that looks _exactly_ like what the man page tells you to use if you want to use par now, but understand it later. Then again, maybe it just looks vaguely similar and I don't know enough about par to recognize this :) the number of the column to wrap at as an argument, i.e. 'par 72'. I just call 'par', the default wrap column seems reasonable to me :) -- Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it. -- George W. Bush msg22054/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Please help verify my procmail settings to go with mutt
While I'm on RedHat, not Mandrake, my suspicion is that Mandrake may be set up so that you do not need a .forward file for postfix. Have you tried running without the .forward? John On 12/31/01, 07:05:28PM +0800, Charles Jie wrote: Hi, I'm trying to substitute Mutt with Mozilla. One important porting work is dealing with the multiple accounts I keep, especially the mailing list. * But I found the flow of incoming mail dropping down. vim mailing list sent me a message telling me my mail is bouncing. On 12/28 and 29, I received about 20 mails from mutt-users. But 12/30 I had no more than 5. It also happened to [EMAIL PROTECTED], dropping from 20-30 down to 4. (But my testing mail all survived.) (My MTA is postfix (on Mandrake 8.1). Mutt is 1.3.24i. procmail 3.21.) I wonder whether the following files (copied from 'man procmail') have anything wrong. Help, please. * My ~/.forward: |IFS=' 'p=/usr/bin/procmailtest -f $pexec $p -Yf-||exit 75 #jie (Could anybody help explain: 1. Why IFS=' ' checking? 2. Why the options -Yf- in exec $p -Yf-? 3. Why exit 75? ) * My ~/.procmailrc: MAILDIR=$HOME/Mail#you'd better make sure it exists #DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/mbox#completely optional LOGFILE=$MAILDIR/proc.log #recommended :0: * ^(To|CC|From): .*mutt-users mbox.mutt :0: * ^(To|CC|From): .*[EMAIL PROTECTED] mbox.vim :0: * ^Subject: .*Fwd?: mbox.fw :0 * ^Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mbox.spam If I can not handle multiple accounts well with mutt, I may need to go back to Mozilla or Netscape, which are so heavy. Thank you in advance, charlie -- Charles Jie (¬ö¬K¿³) Keya Technologies (¶}¶®¬ì§Þ) (O) +886 2 2936 0813 (Mobile) 0920 397 746 -- John P. Verel Living Proof That Low Tech Beats High Tech!
A happy new year!
Folks, a happy new year and the best wishes to all of you. Without you, mutt wouldn't be the program it is. . .. . . ° . °. .° \~/ V | -+- Cheers! -- Thomas Roesslerhttp://log.does-not-exist.org/
Re: Please help verify my procmail settings to go with mutt
Alas! John P Verel spake thus: While I'm on RedHat, not Mandrake, my suspicion is that Mandrake may be set up so that you do not need a .forward file for postfix. Have you tried running without the .forward? Well, I've used Mandrake in the past (and Debian in the present), and to my knowledge, neither needed a .forward file. For me, postfix just invokes procmail. It's nice :) -- Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Television has brought back murder into the home -- where it belongs. -- Alfred Hitchcock msg22057/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: A happy new year!
Alas! Thomas Roessler spake thus: Folks, a happy new year and the best wishes to all of you. Without you, mutt wouldn't be the program it is. To you as well! Funny how I get to spend New Years Eve trying to make a heterogenous network of Linux and Windows boxen work with each other, and the rest of you get to party (hopefully) :) Have fun, I know I should! ;D . .. . . ° . °. .° \~/ V | -+- Hey, nice. :) -- Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Your password must be at least 18770 characters and cannot repeat any of your previous 30689 passwords. Please type a different password. Type a password that meets these requirements in both text boxes. -- Actual Microsoft Error Message msg22058/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Good vim configuration?
* Rob 'Feztaa' Park ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Alas! Thomas Hurst spake thus: I stole PARINIT=grTbiqR B=.?_A_a Q=_s:| from someone and call it with If I'm not mistaken, that looks _exactly_ like what the man page tells you to use if you want to use par now, but understand it later. Then again, maybe it just looks vaguely similar and I don't know enough about par to recognize this :) The man page states: 'rTbgqR B=.,?_A_a Q=_s|', there's an extra 'i' in mine which I'm sure does something l337 and magical I can't live without. A quick look through the mutt-* and vim* lists I'm likely to have grabbed it from doesn't show anything, so who knows :) Q= is presumably 'Quote', with _s being a space and | being the character classes it matches. B= is 'Body', mathing all upper and lowercase chacters, '.', ',' and '?'. 'i' is apparantly invis, which seems to remove empty lines added by a quote string. 'e' is a more powerful variant removing all superfluous lines. Other interesting looking entries are 'j' to justify (and a similar 'f' option), 'l' to try to keep the last line from being too short, 'q' which adds blank lines between quote levels, 'T4', which converts tabs to the One True Tabstop using spaces (something I normally hate :). Wow, that PARINIT's actually starting to make sense now. Damn those manpages. And yes, the default wrap is 72 anyway, but I like being explicit, usually :) -- Thomas 'Freaky' Hurst - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.aagh.net/ - Money is the root of all evil, and man needs roots
Re: A happy new year!
Rob -- ...and then Feztaa said... % % Funny how I get to spend New Years Eve trying to make a heterogenous % network of Linux and Windows boxen work with each other, and the rest of % you get to party (hopefully) :) Oh, quit your whining -- you know you're in hog heaven :-) Happy Holidays to all, and especially the developers -- without whom mutt would not be the program it is! :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg22060/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: A happy new year!
On Mon, Dec 31, 2001, Thomas Roessler wrote: a happy new year and the best wishes to all of you. Without you, mutt wouldn't be the program it is. And thanks to you, Thomas, for keeping all of us sane, though email anyway -Ken
Re: Using message-hook to run messages through a filter
On 2001-12-28 11:19 -0500, Dan Boger wrote: On Fri, Dec 28, 2001 at 05:09:05PM +0100, Andre Majorel wrote: There is one guy out there who has particular and very annoying writing idiosyncracies (think Prince or B1FF). I wrote a filter to translate his prose to something less obnoxious. Now how do I configure Mutt to automatically pipe his messages through the filter when reading or replying to him ? I thought that message-hook ~f joe@blow\.com pipe-message /usr/local/bin/unmangle would do the trick but Mutt says pipe-message: unknown command. well, not sure how to do it with mutt - I have written a similar filter (for a 40 year old that spells like he's a teenage hacker wannabe), and I just run it via procmail... It is funny to see my replies to him spelled correctly (including the quoted part :) Neat idea, although changing the message that early is a bit radical, even for me. :-) -- André Majorel [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.teaser.fr/~amajorel/
Re: Using message-hook to run messages through a filter
On 2001-12-28 18:22 +0100, Roman Neuhauser wrote: I thought that message-hook ~f joe@blow\.com pipe-message /usr/local/bin/unmangle would do the trick but Mutt says pipe-message: unknown command. It's pipe-message (incl. the angle brackets) isn't it? I've tried that too and Mutt doesn't like it either. -- André Majorel [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.teaser.fr/~amajorel/
Re: Using message-hook to run messages through a filter
On 2001-12-28 17:15 +0100, Nicolas Rachinsky wrote: On Fri, Dec 28, 2001 at 05:09:05PM +0100, Andre Majorel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought that message-hook ~f joe@blow\.com pipe-message /usr/local/bin/unmangle would do the trick but Mutt says pipe-message: unknown command. I would try message-hook . unset display_filter message-hook ~f joe@blow\.com set display_filter=/usr/local/bin/unmangle but this is untested. Thanks, this works fine, at least for the viewing part of the deal. I guess we need a reply_filter variable. -- André Majorel [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.teaser.fr/~amajorel/
Getting pgp to work
Here is the error message that appears after I try and sign my mail with my gpg key: Can't open PGP subprocess!: No such file or directory (errno = 2) I figured that it couldn't find the ~/.gnupg directory, but it's there. I have set pgp_sign_as=my key id in my muttrc. Here are the steps leading up to the error: 1. Enter contents of message 2. Hit p 3. Hit s, my key id appears 4. prompted for passphrase. I enter the passphrase 5. the error comes up Any suggestions? Ian -- Of Course It Runs On NetBSD www.netbsd.org _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Good vim configuration?
Alas! Thomas Hurst spake thus: I stole PARINIT=grTbiqR B=.?_A_a Q=_s:| from someone and call it with If I'm not mistaken, that looks _exactly_ like what the man page tells you to use if you want to use par now, but understand it later. Then again, maybe it just looks vaguely similar and I don't know enough about par to recognize this :) The man page states: 'rTbgqR B=.,?_A_a Q=_s|', there's an extra 'i' in mine which I'm sure does something l337 and magical I can't live without. A quick look through the mutt-* and vim* lists I'm likely to have grabbed it from doesn't show anything, so who knows :) Q= is presumably 'Quote', with _s being a space and | being the character classes it matches. I don't believe that is true. IIRC, par handles David's '%' quote char just fine. I thought it just looked for any string of characters that appeared in more than one consecutive line, and then appended that to the beginning of anything it wrapped (which is why it seems to fail on me whenever I wrap one very long line, but works with any quotes when I wrap several slightly long lines). I'll read the man page though, it'll give me something to do to take my mind off the Evils of Windows (Just spent ~5 hours trying to install windows on Dad's computer. Lets just say that if I had a time machine and a shotgun, nobody would have ever heard of Bill Gates or Microsoft). B= is 'Body', mathing all upper and lowercase chacters, '.', ',' and '?'. Body? of what, the line? 'i' is apparantly invis, which seems to remove empty lines added by a quote string. 'e' is a more powerful variant removing all superfluous lines. Other interesting looking entries are 'j' to justify (and a similar 'f' option), 'l' to try to keep the last line from being too short, 'q' which adds blank lines between quote levels, 'T4', which converts tabs to the One True Tabstop using spaces (something I normally hate :). That's some interesting stuff. I'll be certain to read that man page right away :) -- Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- When you are courting a nice girl an hour seems like a second. When you sit on a red-hot cinder a second seems like an hour. That's relativity. -- Albert Einstein msg22066/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
