Re: Encrypting postponed messages

2013-09-09 Thread Alexander Gattin
Hello, On Sun, Sep 08, 2013 at 08:14:47PM -0400, Tim Gray wrote: encrypting a mutt draft in Vim. You encrypt it, then save the file, and once you are back in mutt, postpone the message. It worked fine, as long as you are ok with all the mail headers being encrypted and thus inaccessible to

Re: Encrypting postponed messages

2013-09-09 Thread Chris Bannister
On Fri, Sep 06, 2013 at 11:05:16AM -0500, Dale Raby wrote: If it's sensitive enough to be encrypted outgoing, it's sensitive enough to be encrypted on disk... even if you haven't actually sent it yet. Well, its easy enough to encrypt the whole disk with modern OS's, so if the message

99% OT: An attempt at debate reconciliation. [Was: Encrypting postponed messages]

2013-09-09 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 07.09.13 18:00, Óscar Pereira wrote: So now suppose (*my* scenario, not yours) that mutt used an external program to view emails, and, we were discussing adding the feature of viewing encrypted emails to mutt. By a reasoning *similar* to yours, i.e. reasoning in a way coherent to yours,

Re: Encrypting postponed messages

2013-09-09 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Sep 08, 2013 at 06:08:04PM +0100, Mick wrote: Yep, I had more than once, on machine(s) with no vim. I've never managed to learn how to use emacs, but as they say it's never tool late to learn to play the piano! :p It's more like an organ, and yes you do need the whole Cathedral.

why locks mutt if it reads a Maildir

2013-09-09 Thread Andreas Mueller
Hi there, Mutt Locks reading of folder 'a' while another instance writes a folder 'b'.. But by using Maildir there is no locking - (?) can anyone tell me ? - thanks - Andreas

Re: Encrypting postponed messages

2013-09-09 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 08.09.13 20:14, Tim Gray wrote: On Sep 09, 2013 at 02:31 AM +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote: That would remove the editor choice restriction, and so would be more universal once it exits. Added to that, draft encryption integrated into mutt uses less keystrokes and requires less user

Re: Encrypting postponed messages

2013-09-09 Thread Tim Gray
On Sep 09, 2013 at 11:47 PM +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote: To have an unencrypted subject line, it's necessary to enter it in mutt, prior to postponing. However, that's probably an asset if the subject ought also be obfuscated, E.g. We go to war tomorrow might be safer as Immediate plans. If

Re: Encrypting postponed messages

2013-09-09 Thread Derek Martin
On Fri, Sep 06, 2013 at 11:05:16AM -0500, Dale Raby wrote: If it's sensitive enough to be encrypted outgoing, it's sensitive enough to be encrypted on disk... even if you haven't actually sent it yet. Well, its easy enough to encrypt the whole disk with modern OS's, so if the message

Re: Encrypting postponed messages

2013-09-09 Thread Derek Martin
On Sat, Sep 07, 2013 at 06:13:20PM +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote: On 06.09.13 10:10, Derek Martin wrote: If it's sensitive enough to be encrypted outgoing, it's sensitive enough to be encrypted on disk... even if you haven't actually sent it yet. That's entirely convincing, but it

Re: Encrypting postponed messages

2013-09-09 Thread Derek Martin
On Sun, Sep 08, 2013 at 01:47:39AM +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote: Yes, that is what I (perhaps too briefly) alluded to in the paragraph quoted above. Writing to that tmp file is entirely under editor control, with mutt providing only a temporary filename and a transparent pipe. And in so

Re: Encrypting postponed messages

2013-09-09 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, Sep 09, 2013 at 10:20:33AM -0400, Tim Gray wrote: Honestly though, I don't see your question as overly pertinent. If security is a primary concern, why are you sending (and storing) encrypted messages on a server to begin with? I don't think that's for me to answer. Right. There

Re: 99% OT: An attempt at debate reconciliation. [Was: Encrypting postponed messages]

2013-09-09 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, Sep 09, 2013 at 10:39:09PM +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote: If we can each just argue our own case, then the list can be spared a lot of noise. That's a grand idea (seriously), but this is isn't debate club. Most people have litte or no training in formal logic, and while if you have

Re: Encrypting postponed messages

2013-09-09 Thread David Champion
I confess I haven't dug my way through the entire debate on this, but so far I've seen argument along lines of: is it a necessary feature? if it is necessary, is it necessary to be supported in mutt per se, or can it be done externally? I haven't seen any discussion of what use models it would

Re: Encrypting postponed messages

2013-09-09 Thread Christian Brabandt
On Mo, 09 Sep 2013, David Champion wrote: I confess I haven't dug my way through the entire debate on this, but so far I've seen argument along lines of: is it a necessary feature? if it is necessary, is it necessary to be supported in mutt per se, or can it be done externally? I haven't