Re: pop(s),smtp(s)
On Sun, Nov 02, 2014 at 06:56:35PM -0500, DaleKelly wrote: On 11/02/2014 06:19 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote: *Should* be ~/.muttrc but if that does not exist, mutt will default to /etc/muttrc My openSUSE system does not have /etc/muttrc can't gedit ~/.muttrc (nothing there) no /muttrc folder in /etc Remember that mutt will also try to find:- ~/.mutt/muttrc -- Chris Green
Re: pop(s),smtp(s)
On Sun, Nov 02, 2014 at 07:28:06PM -0500, DaleKelly wrote: On 11/02/2014 06:53 PM, John Niendorf wrote: Dale, For what it is worth I have this in my .muttrc file and I am able to send and receive securly to my server. I am using muttrc rather than .muttrc so you should check for both files. set smtp_url=smtps://j...@jfniendorf.org@secure_server.com/465 Thanks John, I have been working off my Muttrc file, I can't find my .muttrc file (might have edited it before, can't remember now) You need to resolve this issue or you will have no idea what mutt is using for config info. Try the following: $ cd $ find ./ -name muttrc $ find ./ -name .muttrc tried your suggestion for smtp_url, didn't work If this post hits the list then This Works For Me: set pop_pass=blahblah set pop_user=y...@your.com set pop_host=pops://your.pop.server set smtp_url=smtp://y...@your.smtp.server set smtp_pass=blahblah I see I am not using smtps, will try that shortly. It seems like it has been using TLS on sends but who knows. also reinstalled a couple times Don't do that unless you're on Windows (didn't read the whole thread). /jl -- ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) Powered by Lemote Fuloong against HTML e-mail X Loongson MIPS and OpenBSD and proprietary/ \http://www.mutt.org attachments / \ Code Blue or Go Home! Encrypted email preferred PGP Key 2048R/DA65BC04
Re: pop(s),smtp(s)
On 11/03/2014 04:51 AM, John Long wrote: You need to resolve this issue or you will have no idea what mutt is using for config info. made a .muttrc file, out of sample.muttrc, with your input on pop/smtp, does not deliver mail, probably have to look at where this file should be, put it where sample.muttrc was I forgot one thing, I had a problem installing mutt-1.5.1.23 as a user make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/dale/Downloads/mutt-1.5.23/intl' Making install in doc make[2]: Entering directory `/home/dale/Downloads/mutt-1.5.23/doc' make[3]: Entering directory `/home/dale/Downloads/mutt-1.5.23/doc' make[3]: Nothing to be done for `install-exec-am'. xsltproc --nonet -o manual.html ./html.xsl manual.xml /bin/bash: xsltproc: command not found make[3]: [manual.html] Error 127 (ignored) cat instdoc.sh instdoc /bin/bash: instdoc: Permission denied make[3]: *** [instdoc] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/dale/Downloads/mutt-1.5.23/doc' make[2]: *** [install-am] Error 2 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/dale/Downloads/mutt-1.5.23/doc' make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/dale/Downloads/mutt-1.5.23' make: *** [install] Error 2 as root, it installs okay, but still does not deliver mail -- (my whereabouts below) http://www.dalekelly.org/
Re: pop(s),smtp(s)
* DaleKelly d...@dalekelly.org [11-03-14 11:23]: On 11/03/2014 04:51 AM, John Long wrote: You need to resolve this issue or you will have no idea what mutt is using for config info. made a .muttrc file, out of sample.muttrc, with your input on pop/smtp, does not deliver mail, probably have to look at where this file should be, put it where sample.muttrc was yes, you are very confused. You need ~/.muttrc or ~/.mutt/.muttrc either will work. I forgot one thing, I had a problem installing mutt-1.5.1.23 as a user make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/dale/Downloads/mutt-1.5.23/intl' Making install in doc make[2]: Entering directory `/home/dale/Downloads/mutt-1.5.23/doc' make[3]: Entering directory `/home/dale/Downloads/mutt-1.5.23/doc' make[3]: Nothing to be done for `install-exec-am'. xsltproc --nonet -o manual.html ./html.xsl manual.xml /bin/bash: xsltproc: command not found make[3]: [manual.html] Error 127 (ignored) cat instdoc.sh instdoc /bin/bash: instdoc: Permission denied make[3]: *** [instdoc] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/dale/Downloads/mutt-1.5.23/doc' make[2]: *** [install-am] Error 2 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/dale/Downloads/mutt-1.5.23/doc' make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/dale/Downloads/mutt-1.5.23' make: *** [install] Error 2 as root, it installs okay, but still does not deliver mail user does not have permissions to install outside of /home/user Are you perhaps somewhat new to linux/unix? If so, questions or some study should preceed actions unless you have no problem with reinstalling your *entire* system as much can and does go amiss with incorrect actions. ps: happens even for knowledgable users :^( -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.orgPhoto Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535@ http://linuxcounter.net
Re: pop(s),smtp(s)
Just a note: ~/ is shorthand for /home/dale/ John On 03 Nov 2014, at 17:29, Patrick Shanahan ptilopt...@gmail.com wrote: * DaleKelly d...@dalekelly.org [11-03-14 11:23]: On 11/03/2014 04:51 AM, John Long wrote: You need to resolve this issue or you will have no idea what mutt is using for config info. made a .muttrc file, out of sample.muttrc, with your input on pop/smtp, does not deliver mail, probably have to look at where this file should be, put it where sample.muttrc was yes, you are very confused. You need ~/.muttrc or ~/.mutt/.muttrc either will work. I forgot one thing, I had a problem installing mutt-1.5.1.23 as a user make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/dale/Downloads/mutt-1.5.23/intl' Making install in doc make[2]: Entering directory `/home/dale/Downloads/mutt-1.5.23/doc' make[3]: Entering directory `/home/dale/Downloads/mutt-1.5.23/doc' make[3]: Nothing to be done for `install-exec-am'. xsltproc --nonet -o manual.html ./html.xsl manual.xml /bin/bash: xsltproc: command not found make[3]: [manual.html] Error 127 (ignored) cat instdoc.sh instdoc /bin/bash: instdoc: Permission denied make[3]: *** [instdoc] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/dale/Downloads/mutt-1.5.23/doc' make[2]: *** [install-am] Error 2 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/dale/Downloads/mutt-1.5.23/doc' make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/dale/Downloads/mutt-1.5.23' make: *** [install] Error 2 as root, it installs okay, but still does not deliver mail user does not have permissions to install outside of /home/user Are you perhaps somewhat new to linux/unix? If so, questions or some study should preceed actions unless you have no problem with reinstalling your *entire* system as much can and does go amiss with incorrect actions. ps: happens even for knowledgable users :^( -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.orgPhoto Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535@ http://linuxcounter.net
Re: pop(s),smtp(s)
On 11/03/2014 11:41 AM, John Niendorf wrote: Just a note: ~/ is shorthand for/home/dale/ thanks John, I had a little on the job Unix, and have been hacking at Linux for about 15 years, but my attention span isn't as good as it used to be -- (my whereabouts below) http://www.dalekelly.org/
Re: pop(s),smtp(s)
On Mon, Nov 03, 2014 at 11:29:51AM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * DaleKelly d...@dalekelly.org [11-03-14 11:23]: On 11/03/2014 04:51 AM, John Long wrote: You need to resolve this issue or you will have no idea what mutt is using for config info. made a .muttrc file, out of sample.muttrc, with your input on pop/smtp, does not deliver mail, probably have to look at where this file should be, put it where sample.muttrc was yes, you are very confused. You need ~/.muttrc or ~/.mutt/.muttrc either will work. It's ~/.mutt/muttrc -- Chris Green
Re: pop(s),smtp(s)
On 11/03/2014 11:41 AM, John Niendorf wrote: Just a note: ~/ is shorthand for/home/dale/ installed from repository, more recent set up my ~/.muttrc file with these additions set smtp_host=smtp://u...@smtpout.secureserver.net:80 set pop_host=pop://u...@pop.secureserver.net:110 (can't use port 25 for my SMTP server, 80 works on Thunderbird, trying to get a lower memory footprint for email/news, have problems with desktop switcher) get these errors dale@dale-W3653:~$ mutt Error in /home/dale/.muttrc, line 136: smtp_host: unknown variable source: errors in /home/dale/.muttrc Press any key to continue... (mutt loads but emails sent are not received) -- (my whereabouts below) http://www.dalekelly.org/
Re: pop(s),smtp(s)
On 11/03/2014 12:55 PM, DaleKelly wrote: On 11/03/2014 11:41 AM, John Niendorf wrote: Just a note: ~/ is shorthand for/home/dale/ installed from repository, more recent set up my ~/.muttrc file with these additions set smtp_host=smtp://u...@smtpout.secureserver.net:80 set pop_host=pop://u...@pop.secureserver.net:110 (can't use port 25 for my SMTP server, 80 works on Thunderbird, trying to get a lower memory footprint for email/news, have problems with desktop switcher) get these errors dale@dale-W3653:~$ mutt Error in /home/dale/.muttrc, line 136: smtp_host: unknown variable source: errors in /home/dale/.muttrc Press any key to continue... (mutt loads but emails sent are not received) this page http://superuser.com/questions/403694/setting-up-mutt-for-gmail says check mutt's environment variables to see if SMTP is in my installation by executing mutt -v I don't see SMTP anywhere says POP was enabled in installation, and doesn't have an error from .muttrc when I run, like SMTP I am running version 1.5.1.6 my repository (was 1.5.1.23 from mutt source) anyone know how to set this variable, +USE_SMTP ? -- (my whereabouts below) http://www.dalekelly.org/
Re: pop(s),smtp(s)
* DaleKelly d...@dalekelly.org [11-03-14 14:34]: On 11/03/2014 12:55 PM, DaleKelly wrote: On 11/03/2014 11:41 AM, John Niendorf wrote: Just a note: ~/ is shorthand for/home/dale/ installed from repository, more recent set up my ~/.muttrc file with these additions set smtp_host=smtp://u...@smtpout.secureserver.net:80 set pop_host=pop://u...@pop.secureserver.net:110 (can't use port 25 for my SMTP server, 80 works on Thunderbird, trying to get a lower memory footprint for email/news, have problems with desktop switcher) get these errors dale@dale-W3653:~$ mutt Error in /home/dale/.muttrc, line 136: smtp_host: unknown variable source: errors in /home/dale/.muttrc Press any key to continue... (mutt loads but emails sent are not received) this page http://superuser.com/questions/403694/setting-up-mutt-for-gmail says check mutt's environment variables to see if SMTP is in my installation by executing mutt -v I don't see SMTP anywhere says POP was enabled in installation, and doesn't have an error from .muttrc when I run, like SMTP I am running version 1.5.1.6 my repository (was 1.5.1.23 from mutt source) anyone know how to set this variable, +USE_SMTP ? You are rolling your own, did you compile it in ??? I have: +USE_POP +USE_IMAP +USE_SMTP but I install a package built for my distro. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.orgPhoto Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535@ http://linuxcounter.net
Re: pop(s),smtp(s)
On Mon, Nov 03, 2014 at 12:55:07PM -0500, DaleKelly wrote: On 11/03/2014 11:41 AM, John Niendorf wrote: Just a note: ~/ is shorthand for/home/dale/ installed from repository, more recent set up my ~/.muttrc file with these additions set smtp_host=smtp://u...@smtpout.secureserver.net:80 set pop_host=pop://u...@pop.secureserver.net:110 (can't use port 25 for my SMTP server, 80 works on Thunderbird, trying to get a lower memory footprint for email/news, have problems with desktop switcher) get these errors dale@dale-W3653:~$ mutt Error in /home/dale/.muttrc, line 136: smtp_host: unknown variable source: errors in /home/dale/.muttrc Press any key to continue... This is pointing to the problem. Look at line 136. Is line 136 the one you give above:- set smtp_host=smtp://u...@smtpout.secureserver.net:80 Do you have to replace user with your user name? When you type mutt -v at the prompt, do you get +USE_SMTP in the output, or do you get -USE_SMTP? If you get the latter you have not compiled mutt with SMTP support so it will not recognise smtp_host. You have the error message. You have the manual. Just search until you debug this problem. Brian. (mutt loads but emails sent are not received) -- (my whereabouts below) http://www.dalekelly.org/ --
Re: pop(s),smtp(s)
On 11/03/2014 02:45 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote: You are rolling your own, did you compile it in ??? I did with POP and IMAP enabled, 1.5.1.23 I have: +USE_POP +USE_IMAP +USE_SMTP but I install a package built for my distro. I am using one from distribution, its 1.5.1.6 when I do, mutt -v, it says pop enabled, no ,+ USE POP, or ,+USE SMTP, no USE at all shows up just (+) or (-) tied doing ,mutt USE_SMTP, no errors that I could't do USE_SMTP, nut same errors as before -- (my whereabouts below) http://www.dalekelly.org/
Re: pop(s),smtp(s)
On 11/03/2014 02:51 PM, Brian Salter-Duke wrote: On Mon, Nov 03, 2014 at 12:55:07PM -0500, DaleKelly wrote: On 11/03/2014 11:41 AM, John Niendorf wrote: Just a note: ~/ is shorthand for/home/dale/ installed from repository, more recent set up my ~/.muttrc file with these additions set smtp_host=smtp://u...@smtpout.secureserver.net:80 set pop_host=pop://u...@pop.secureserver.net:110 (can't use port 25 for my SMTP server, 80 works on Thunderbird, trying to get a lower memory footprint for email/news, have problems with desktop switcher) get these errors dale@dale-W3653:~$ mutt Error in /home/dale/.muttrc, line 136: smtp_host: unknown variable source: errors in /home/dale/.muttrc Press any key to continue... This is pointing to the problem. Look at line 136. Is line 136 the one you give above:- yes the line numbers match those listed in the errors set smtp_host=smtp://u...@smtpout.secureserver.net:80 Do you have to replace user with your user name? When you type mutt -v at the prompt, do you get +USE_SMTP in the output, or do you get -USE_SMTP? If you get the latter you have not compiled mutt with SMTP support so it will not recognise smtp_host. no, doesn't look like SMTP support and all it says is that pop is enabled no +USE_POP or +USE_POP or -USE_POP You have the error message. You have the manual. Just search until you debug this problem. Brian. (mutt loads but emails sent are not received) -- (my whereabouts below) http://www.dalekelly.org/ -- (my whereabouts below) http://www.dalekelly.org/
Re: pop(s),smtp(s)
On 2014-11-03, DaleKelly d...@dalekelly.org wrote: no, doesn't look like SMTP support and all it says is that pop is enabled no +USE_POP or +USE_POP or -USE_POP You'll need to re-do the configure, build, install steps: [cd to mutt source directory] $ ./configure --enable-smtp $ make $ sudo make install -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! Am I in GRADUATE at SCHOOL yet? gmail.com
Re: pop(s),smtp(s)
* DaleKelly d...@dalekelly.org [11-03-14 16:33]: On 11/03/2014 02:45 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote: You are rolling your own, did you compile it in ??? I did with POP and IMAP enabled, 1.5.1.23 I have: +USE_POP +USE_IMAP +USE_SMTP but I install a package built for my distro. I am using one from distribution, its 1.5.1.6 when I do, mutt -v, it says pop enabled, no ,+ USE POP, or ,+USE SMTP, no USE at all shows up just (+) or (-) tied doing ,mutt USE_SMTP, no errors that I could't do USE_SMTP, nut same errors as before http://dev.mutt.org/trac/wiki/MuttGuide/Setup especially: ./configure --help For an explanation of all the features use ./configure --help of the mutt source distribution. Most important are USE_POP, USE_IMAP USE_SSL for the respective support (recommended), USE_FCNTL USE_FLOCK for the file-locking type, HOMESPOOL when delivering new mail to home-dir instead of system spool-dir, HAVE_COLOR for helpful highlighting of items, and the [using ncurses...] for the library you want mutt to use to draw its interface. You need to look for *definition* of what you want to do. You are stabbing in the dark rather than taking a rational approach. And you explanations may be very descriptive to you but those trying to help are trying to fill in blanks w/o knowing actually what you have done. You haven't even bothered to provide the step-by-step you use in compiling mutt. mutt USE_SMTP really means nothing to me and certainly isn't a configure line parameter. What distro are you running? Do they provide packages? Have you tried a provided package of mutt? Above you say you are using one from the distribution but just before you say you compiled I did with POP and IMAP enabled. Did you or did you not? -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.orgPhoto Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535@ http://linuxcounter.net
Re: pop(s),smtp(s)
On Mon, Nov 03, 2014 at 04:32:32PM -0500, DaleKelly wrote: I did with POP and IMAP enabled, 1.5.1.23 Do you mean 1.5.23? This is the latest version available. I am using one from distribution, its 1.5.1.6 Do you mean 1.5.16, or 1.5.6i? Version 1.5.16 is from around 2007, 1.5.6i is from around 2004. If you are building 1.5.23 ignore everything about the older versions mentioned here. Cheers, Tom -- Yesterday upon the stair I met a man who wasn't there. He wasn't there again today -- I think he's from the CIA. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: pop(s),smtp(s)
On 11/03/2014 05:18 PM, Grant Edwards wrote: You'll need to re-do the configure, build, install steps: [cd to mutt source directory] $ ./configure --enable-smtp $ make $ sudo make install previous errors are gone, but it now says smtp needs SASL -- (my whereabouts below) http://www.dalekelly.org/
Re: pop(s),smtp(s)
On 11/03/2014 08:35 PM, Tom Furie wrote: If you are building 1.5.23 ignore everything about the older versions mentioned here. everything in 1.5.1.23 working except SMTP authentication requires SASL -- (my whereabouts below) http://www.dalekelly.org/
Re: pop(s),smtp(s)
On 11/03/2014 05:21 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * DaleKelly d...@dalekelly.org [11-03-14 16:33]: On 11/03/2014 02:45 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote: You are rolling your own, did you compile it in ??? I did with POP and IMAP enabled, 1.5.1.23 I have: +USE_POP +USE_IMAP +USE_SMTP but I install a package built for my distro. I am using one from distribution, its 1.5.1.6 when I do, mutt -v, it says pop enabled, no ,+ USE POP, or ,+USE SMTP, no USE at all shows up just (+) or (-) tied doing ,mutt USE_SMTP, no errors that I could't do USE_SMTP, nut same errors as before http://dev.mutt.org/trac/wiki/MuttGuide/Setup especially: ./configure --help For an explanation of all the features use ./configure --help of the mutt source distribution. Most important are USE_POP, USE_IMAP USE_SSL for the respective support (recommended), USE_FCNTL USE_FLOCK for the file-locking type, HOMESPOOL when delivering new mail to home-dir instead of system spool-dir, HAVE_COLOR for helpful highlighting of items, and the [using ncurses...] for the library you want mutt to use to draw its interface. You need to look for *definition* of what you want to do. You are stabbing in the dark rather than taking a rational approach. And you explanations may be very descriptive to you but those trying to help are trying to fill in blanks w/o knowing actually what you have done. You haven't even bothered to provide the step-by-step you use in compiling mutt. mutt USE_SMTP really means nothing to me and certainly isn't a configure line parameter. What distro are you running? Do they provide packages? Have you tried a provided package of mutt? Above you say you are using one from the distribution but just before you say you compiled I did with POP and IMAP enabled. Did you or did you not? apologies Patrick, I have a short attention span and tend to hack at some point -- (my whereabouts below) http://www.dalekelly.org/
Re: pop(s),smtp(s)
* DaleKelly d...@dalekelly.org [11-03-14 20:52]: [...] apologies Patrick, I have a short attention span and tend to hack at some point And we still have no knowledge :^( You have not answered the questons that provide information necessary to assist you. ??? -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.orgPhoto Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535@ http://linuxcounter.net
Re: pop(s),smtp(s)
On 11/03/2014 08:44 PM, DaleKelly wrote: On 11/03/2014 08:35 PM, Tom Furie wrote: If you are building 1.5.23 ignore everything about the older versions mentioned here. everything in 1.5.1.23 working except SMTP authentication requires SASL sudo apt-get install libsasl2-2 Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done libsasl2-2 is already the newest version. already there, maybe need a link in my .muttrc -- (my whereabouts below) http://www.dalekelly.org/
Re: pop(s),smtp(s)
On 11/03/2014 09:43 PM, DaleKelly wrote: sudo apt-get install libsasl2-2 Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done libsasl2-2 is already the newest version. already there, maybe need a link in my .muttrc tried --with-sasl[=PFX] on configure tried PFX tried various locations where sasl was listed (might have to find where sasl is listed) get the following error: configure: error: could not find sasl lib -- (my whereabouts below) http://www.dalekelly.org/
do I need both SSL and SASL?
for SMTPs and POPs? SSL seems to go through the motions in mutt but SASL SASL authentication failed have set from = d...@dalekelly.org set realname = Dale set pop_pass=pass set pop_user=user set pop_host=pops://u...@pop.secureserver.net:995 set smtp_url=smtps://u...@smtpout.secureserver.net:465 set smtp_user=user set smtp_pass=pass I get Error in /home/dale/.muttrc, line 348: smtp_user: unknown variable when I set smtp user to set smtp_user=user if I comment it out, I just get SASL authentication failed do I need to configure SASL? no error on set pop_user=user -- (my whereabouts below) http://www.dalekelly.org/
Re: pop(s),smtp(s)
I have to ask. Dale what distro are you using? Why are you trying to install mutt from scratch when there is probably a fine version in the repository? Install from the repository and configure the .muttrc file (I would put that file in ~/) This should avoid any problems like mutt not being configured for SMTP. John On 11/04/2014 04:41 AM, DaleKelly wrote: On 11/03/2014 09:43 PM, DaleKelly wrote: sudo apt-get install libsasl2-2 Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done libsasl2-2 is already the newest version. already there, maybe need a link in my .muttrc tried --with-sasl[=PFX] on configure tried PFX tried various locations where sasl was listed (might have to find where sasl is listed) get the following error: configure: error: could not find sasl lib
