Re: mutt and exchange

2002-09-26 Thread Michael Leone

Gregory Seidman said:
 Happily, I have mutt playing nice with the Exchange server at work over
 IMAP. This pleases me. Now I am looking for further interaction with the
 Exchange server. In particular, it is my understanding that there is
 some way to use the global (and personal?) address book(s) on the
 server. Maybe it's LDAP?

By default, Exchange turns on POP and IMAP, and also LDAP. You can browse
the GAL (Global Address List) via LDAP, but not personal address books.

 Perhaps it has something to do with the query
 functions? Do I need an external program to help? Is there a HOWTO
 somewhere (Google did not find anything useful for mutt exchange
 howto)?

Good question. Dunno how mutt integrates with LDAP, but I know I have used
Outlook Express to query a GAL via LDAP. If you need to configure a
firewall or anything, LDAP access is port 389, I believe.

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Re: fast conversion of html mail to text

2002-09-26 Thread Michael Leone

Sven Guckes said:
 * Mike Leone [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-09-26 03:35]:
   Actually, I've gotten many non-HTML spams, too.
   And I get many valid HTML mail, both
   newsletters and private correspondence.
  has the thought ever struck you that it might be *you*?

 Since I know many different people that both send and receive
 HTML mail, none of whome are spammers; and since I get a
 number of HTML-only newletters that are defintely not spam ...
 no, that thought has never struck me.  :-)

 well, if you subscribe to a HTML-only newsletter
 then you were asking for it - so it's your problem.

It's *not* a problem, for me, anyway. I know about the possible security
implications of HTML email, and know how to get around them. (most of
them, anyway).

 Has the thought ever struck you that perhaps
 you are too restrictive in what you accept?

 i have yet to see sn email which was enhanced by html.
 and i suppose i do have a problem with DOCuments from
 companies which forbid free software to use it, too.

Separate issue, tho.

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Re: fast conversion of html mail to text

2002-09-25 Thread Michael Leone


Laurabelle said:
 On Sep 25 2002, Erik Christiansen shared a puddle of experience:

 snip
   (Of the 2247 advertising spams I've received since February, 1899
were html.)

 Am I the only one who read that as February 1899 and thought what,
 they had the internet back *then*?

Yes, but only teletype machines. :-)

Actually, I've gotten many non-HTML spams, too. And I get many valid HTML
mail, both newsletters and private correspondence.


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Re: imap and new mail

2002-09-12 Thread Michael Leone


Vincent Lefevre said:
 On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 10:15:04 -0400, darren chamberlain wrote:
 * Vincent Lefevre [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-09-12 10:12]:
  Here, with IMAP, I get new messages as expected. But when I
 reconnect to the server, all the new messages become old messages!
 This is very annoying, in particular when I have to quit and restart
 Mutt without having read all the new messages.

 :unset mark_old

 No, the old messages will be marked as new, and I don't want that.

You don't want them marked as old and unread; you don't want them to stay
marked as new (which implies unread), if you exit and restart mutt. What
do you want, then?

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Re: imap and new mail

2002-09-12 Thread Michael Leone


Vincent Lefevre said:
 On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 14:12:14 -0400, Michael Leone wrote:

 Vincent Lefevre said:
  No, the old messages will be marked as new, and I don't want that.

 You don't want them marked as old and unread; you don't want them to
 stay marked as new (which implies unread), if you exit and restart
 mutt. What do you want, then?

 I want 4 levels (in the same mailbox, to get the benefit of threading):
   1) Messages that mustn't be deleted.
   2) Messages I've read but I want to keep for some time.
   3) Messages I've read or partly read which I need to read again
  (e.g. because I need to reply or to look at a URL or whatever).

Well, mutt can't know that you want to read them again. :-) To mutt, it's
read. Whether you want to keep it or not, or want to reply later, is your
decision. And so you've flagged them.

   4) Really new messages.

 So I use:
   1) flagged read
   2) read
   3) old (or flagged old)
   4) new

I'm still not understanding where the problem is.

You get new mail; it's flagged as new. You exit mutt. You restart mutt.
The message is still flagged as new (presuming that you unset mark_old
in your .muttrc). Have you not picked up exactly where where you left off,
before you exited mutt? The messages that were flagged as new (meaning
unread) are still flagged that way, aren't they? Or are you saying that
their status has changed in some other way?

You wanted unread mail to still show as unread, even if you exit and
restart mutt, or am I misunderstanding what you want?

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Re: mutt and exchange

2002-09-04 Thread Michael Leone


Elimar Riesebieter said:

 No! The admin has to enable imap. Does he knows how to?

I believe that IMAP is enabled by default on Exchange (it was on mine, I
believe). So if it's not running, the admin must have turned it off.

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Re: mutt and exchange

2002-09-04 Thread Michael Leone


Gregory Seidman said:

 When I run mutt -f imap://server/ it asks for my username and password,
 then tells me that the login failed. The username and password are
 right, since I use them successfully with Outlook. Much the same thing
 happens with Mozilla mail, incidentally. Is there any way to get more
 information? Is imap the wrong choice for dealing with Exchange? Do I
 need something more in the URL?

Try adding the domain to the username

domainname\username

(note backslash)

This allows you to authenticate to the MS domain, to login.


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Re: overriding the charset for headers

2002-08-28 Thread Michael Leone


Sven Guckes said:
 * Baurjan Ismagulov [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-08-28 10:18]:
 I've looked at procmail a while ago for body
 translation, but couldn't find a working solution.

 1. All three inboxes I use are IMAP; how can I use procmail with it? I
can define a macro that would do what I want, but how would it take
 the input, and where it should store the output?

 a local process (procmail) cannot work on remote data
 (mail on IMAP server).  so i expect it just won't work.
 i'd use fetchmail to download only the necessary messages
 and then filter them locally - with procmail.

Unless you can also get a shell account on the IMAP server. Then you can
use procmail on the IMAP server, as you want. You'd have to ask your email
provider.

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Re: [OT] Vim

2002-08-26 Thread Michael Leone


David Champion said:
 * On 2002.08.26, in [EMAIL PROTECTED],
 * Ken Weingold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I would never do that.  Sometimes Spamassassin catches real mail as
 spam.

 If I could be so lucky. Sometimes. Heh.

it's been my experience that the latest SA (v2.31) is much better at 
distinguishing real mail from spam than earlier version. And v2.40 is due
Really Really Soon Now, they say.

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Re: New mail notification problems

2002-08-20 Thread Michael Leone


John Iverson said:
 * On Mon, 19 Aug 2002, Mike Leone wrote:

 I use Maildir with IMAP, and I see *no* new mail notifications
 on the folders at all. When I open the mailbox (maildir), yes -
 the index or pager shows new messages. But using the c
 command to switch folders only ever shows the name of the
 folder, and not a new mail notification symbol.

 You're saying that you do see a new mail indicator on Maildir
 (i.e., IMAP) folders?

 Maildir, but not IMAP (perhaps I misused a term somewhere).

No, you can use Maildir format when not using IMAP. I used to use local
Maildir format mailboxes (which are, in reality, directories) with a POP
account.

 I'm referring to the mailbox browser screen which appears when
 you press ? after pressing c.

Yes, that's what I'm referring to, as well.

 Yes, I do see the new mail indicators, except for the mailbox I
 just came from.  (Doesn't matter if I press tab to switch
 between mailbox and file views.)  When I first start mutt with
 mutt -y (i.e.  there is no last-visited mailbox), the new mail
 indicators for all mailboxes seem to work.

My indicators never work, but perhaps that's because they're IMAP folders,
on a remote machine (my mail server).

 Just curious if this is normal behavior or not.  There did not
 seem to be a conclusion last time it was discussed, and I thought
 it possible that this is what the original poster was
 experiencing.
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Re: [OT] Re: spamassassin

2002-08-19 Thread Michael Leone


Philip Mak said:
 An off-topic query concerning spamassassin:

 Can it be set to delete spam automatically (I'm not so interested in
 just *marking* spam, because if it only marks spam I still have to sift
 through it), without getting too many false positives?

No. The next version of SA - due out this week - removes the capability to
do delivery of email, so you'll have to rely on procmail or maildrop to do
delivery or deletion.

And there's no way to delete without getting too many false positives -
you either delete things marked as spam, or not delete. It's not really
conditional. :-)

You do run the risk of losing legitimate mail if you delete. If you don't,
... well, you should be able to tell legit mail merely by quickly looking
at the subject lines. No need to read the mail.

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