Re: Default path for saving attachments?

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On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 12:35:32PM -0500, José María Mateos wrote:
> I'd like to know if there's any config variable to set the destination folder
> for saved attachments. I know the workaround is to start mutt in a different
> place, but I'd prefer the config option.

Check out the $attach_save_dir configuration option [1].

[1] https://man.archlinux.org/man/muttrc.5#attach_save_dir

How do I rebind the keys in the attachment prompt?

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Hi,

I am totally lost about this:

When you are on the compose screen and you hit 'a' (attach-file) you get 
an attachment prompt, that says:

Attach file ('?' for list):

There you have 3 options (that's how many I found):
1. Hit ? and you get a list of your mailbox folders
2. Hit Tab and you get the browser showing your local files (and you can 
select an attachment from there
3. Just type the path to an attachment (and you can use Tab to 
autocomplete the name).


How do I rebind the keys for this prompt? Like setting a key to hit 
instead of Tab to show the file browser or remapping the action that 
currently is bound to ? to something else. I went through Mutt's manual 
multiple times and couldn't find anything about it.


Is there a help screen for this prompt? How do you open it?

Also, is there a setting I can configure so when I hit ? for 'list' I 
get the file browser as opposed to the mailboxes.


Best Regards,
IFo Hancroft

Re: Binding Space to select-entry gives Key is not bound.

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If your expectation wasn't to display the message with this  
function, then perhaps it's better to not make it equivalent to  
display-message, but try to display a more appropriate error message  
instead.


This is exactly what I meant. I think it would be best to not make it  
equivalent to display-message in the index.


Personally, I see a couple of possible solutions for select-message in index:

1. If bound for index or a binding that contains the index, display an  
error message on mutt start, about the function not being available in  
index.


2. Keep allowing it in binds for index/that include index, but when  
the key is pressed, show an error message in mutt that the function  
isn't available for this menu.


3. Make it equivalent to tag-message. To me, this makes the most  
sense, as I can't speak for everyone but, looking at the function  
names, I'd expect select-message to do what tag-message does, while  
I'd expect tag-message to do what edit-label does.


Best Regards,
IFo Hancroft

Re: Binding Space to select-entry gives Key is not bound.

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Even though select-entry is a generic operation, it's actually not  
implemented in the index.  You'll want to use display-message  
instead for the index.


Ah! Thank you! That explains why it was working the way it was.
When I want to open the message, I do use display-message, yes.


I'll make select-entry equivalent to display-message for the next release.


I thought select-entry was supposed to select the message, not open  
it? Sort of like the tag command?


Best Regards,
IFo Hancroft

Re: Binding Space to select-entry gives Key is not bound.

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Hello


Hi


I don't have index bound to any key and space selects the entry the
cursor is on so maybe what you want is the default behavior?


I think that is what I want, yes.

However, when I remove the space binding from my config, hitting space  
in index opens the message instead of selecting it.


Space by default is bound to display-message for me, Enter as well,  
Return (under Generic Bindings) is bound to select-entry.
If I hit what-key and press my enter key, I get that it's Return, but  
from what I remember, mutt doesn't actually differentiate between  
Enter and Return keys.


If I unbind Enter however, then Return is bound to both  
display-message and under Generic Bindings to select-entry, but  
hitting it opens the message.


Best Regards,
IFo Hancroft

Binding Space to select-entry gives Key is not bound.

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Hi,

I am trying to bind the space key to the `select-entry` function, but  
then when I start mutt and hit the key, I get 'Key is not bound. Press  
'?' for help.


I have this in my muttrc:

bind index  select-entry

When I start mutt and hit '?' in the listing there, I see:

' select-entry select the current entry'

So it is clearly bound.

To make sure my key actually sends space, I execute the `what-key`  
function, press the key and I get:


Char = , Octal = 40, Decimal = 32

To test my binding, I tested binding space to what-key using:

bind index  what-key

Then I start mutt, hit Space and indeed what-key gets executed. Also  
the help screen shows it being bound to what-key.


I have also tried to bind it to select-entry, writing the key as  
 instead of  and the same thing happens.


Am I doing something wrong or is this perhaps a weird bug?

Here is my muttrc:

https://pastebin.com/5eBp4N1j

Here is my activate-sidebar config:

https://pastebin.com/pjPckhTh

Here is my deactivate-sidebar config:

https://pastebin.com/mzk9Rn4B

Best Regards,
IFo Hancroft

Re: How can I hide non-matching emails in a search

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Sorry, I accidentally resend the email, before adding my reply.


What about the ”limiting" function using `l` ?
It's similar to search but only matching emails will still visible.

1. Hit 'l'
2. The limiting pronpt shows up.
3. Enter 'IO Ninja'
4. Enter
5. mutt only show up matching emails
6. You can't use 'n' or 'N' but 'j' and 'k'.

Does it satisfy your use case ?


Thank you! That satisfies my use case perfectly. I just never knew it existed.

It's a bit unfortunate, that I can't use 'n' and 'N' with it really,  
but seeing how there's no other option, I can live with that.


Best Regards,
IFo Hancroft

How can I hide non-matching emails in a search

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Hi,

I'd like to make mutt hide the emails not matching the entered search term.

Let's say I want to search for emails that have 'IO Ninja' in the subject:

 1. I hit '/'.
 2. The search prompt shows up.
 3. I enter 'IO Ninja'.
 4. I hit 'Enter'.
 5. mutt finds the first matching email (if any) and sends me to it.
 6. Now I can use 'n' and 'N' to navigate between the matching emails.

However, all emails in the mailbox are still visible. I want any  
emails not matching the search term to be hidden.


Is this possible? How?

Best Regards,
IFo Hancroft

Re: custom macro for "q" key

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yes, the  is called "browser" in my case also.

But when I bind:

  bind  browser  q  exit

and use "q" in browser, it does not exit, but just cycles between
browser and the folder where I came from.


Ok, so I just checked the help and apparently the 'exit' function's  
description is 'exit this menu'. So it seems the exit function was  
never meant to fully exit mutt but just exit the menu it is currently  
in.



And also, you suggested previously to use "exit", but this keyword does
not seem to exist in my mutt (2.0.2). When I use this binding:

  bind  browser q quit

.mutt/muttrc, line 80: quit: no such function in map


Yeah, looking at the help again, it seems the function 'quit' exists  
in index and pager (although in pager it also doesn't exit mutt  
fully), but it doesn't seem to exist in 'browser'. Hence why you get  
an error when using bind browser q quit that quit doesn't exist.


I hope that I am wrong, but to me it seems like there is currently no  
way to achieve what you want.


Best Regards,
IFo Hancroft

Re: custom macro for "q" key

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I understand what "index" and "pager" is. But what is the name when I 
am

in the list of my folders? I think I need to bind q for exit, when I am
in the list of my folders:

  bindq  exit

thank you,


Unless I am wrong and there is more than one list of folders, its bind 
type is 'browser'.
One way to check/confirm that is by pressing '?' while there and 
checking what the status line says. It should say something like:

Help for . (35%)

That  is what you should use when binding.
Chances are, its type is also index or pager as opposed to having a 
separate one. In which case your macro won't be possible.

index-format-hook date pattern for current week

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Hi,

I am using an index-format-hook inside of index_format, to change the 
way the date column is displayed based on how old the email is.


My current setting is the following:

# ID, Attachments, Flags, Subject, Correspondent, Date
set index_format = "%4C %?X?&  
?%-1.1@replied@%-2.2@encrypted@%-1.1@flagged@ %-92.92s 
%-64.64@correspondent@ %* %10@date@"


index-format-hook date "~d<1d" "%[%H:%M]" # If it's from today - I only 
want the time
index-format-hook date "~d<1w" "%[%d %a]" # If it's from this week - I 
only want the day and the date
index-format-hook date "~d<1y" "%[%b %d]" # If it's from this year, I 
only want the date and the month
index-format-hook date "~A" "%[%d/%m/%Y]" # If it's from a past year I 
only want the date, the month and the year


The rest works as I want it to and as I expect it to, besides the week 
pattern. If any email is from the last seven days, it gets caught by the 
week pattern. I don't want that. I want only emails from the current 
week to get caught by the week pattern, not all emails from the last 7 
days.


Here's what is currently happening:

Today is Tuesday, August 31st. In my email, currently, the oldest email 
being caught by the week pattern is from Wednesday, August 25th.


Here's what I want to be happening:

Today is Tuesday, August 31st. In my email, the oldest email that should 
be getting caught by the week pattern should be from Monday, August 
30th.


Is there another week pattern or another pattern in general, that I can 
use to make that happen or perhaps a way to make the current pattern 
work like this?


Best Regards,
IFo Hancroft

Re: custom macro for "q" key

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On 2021-08-30 09:20, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote:

On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 05:28:35AM -0700, li...@ifohancroft.com wrote:
bind index,pager c noop # Unbinding the key first, because the manual 
says that macros shouldn't be bound to keys that are already bound


Would you mind pointing out where you got that information?  As far as
I know there is no need to do this, but maybe there is a problem I'm
not aware of.


Sorry. I meant to reply to the list.

I'd be happy to.

Apparently, I was wrong and it was not in the manual, but in the Mutt 
Guide: 
https://gitlab.com/muttmua/mutt/-/wikis/MuttGuide/Macros#how-to-use


Under 'Usage: macro menu key sequence [ description ]', right before the 
first example, in the explanation of each part, there is the sentence:


"Though you can use the bound keys too, that is not
recommended!"

I never knew what that is about and I've always forgot to ask.

I thought there may be something about it, that may create a problem in 
a weird edge case, that if I encounter some day might confuse the hell 
out of me while trying to figure out the cause of, because I would have 
forgotten it by then, so I thought it's easier to just unbind the keys 
first.


I'd be more than happy if it turns out that's not needed.

Best Regards,
IFo Hancroft

Re: custom macro for "q" key

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Hi,

You basically have to unbind q for index (perhaps also pager, depending 
on what you want) and create the same macro you already have for 'c', 
for 'q' as well. Then for 'browser' bind 'q' to to 'quit' again.


So basically:

bind index,pager c noop # Unbinding the key first, because the manual 
says that macros shouldn't be bound to keys that are already bound

bind index,pager q noop # Same as above
macro index,pager c "?"
macro index,pager q "?"

bind browser q quit

Best Regards,
IFo Hancroft

On 30/08/2021 09:55, Fourhundred Thecat wrote:

Hello,

I have "q" key bound to "quit", and then I have custom macro bound to 
"c":


   macro   index,pager  c  "?"

When I start mutt, I automatically land in "Inbox", and "q" exits.

When I press "c" anywhere in mutt, I get list of my folders, and can go
into them. When inside any of the folder, "q" also exists mutt.

I would like to change the behavior of "q", so that pressing "q" when I
am inside any of the folders, mutt goes back to the list of folders
(same as if I had pressed "c"). And only if I am already in the list of
folders, then "q" exists mutt.

What I want is similar to "q" behavior when in inbox, and composing
message. When I cancel the compose with "q", I don't exit mutt, but
instead land in Inbox again. I would like to keep that behavior.

I guess, I will need to create custom macro for "q" ?
Can anybody suggest how to do it?

thank you,

Re: textwidth/linewrap

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Hi,

Lots of ways to do the same thing! Thanks for the suggestions
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textwidth/linewrap

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Hi,

I guess lots of people would use mutt with vim-console.

Can anyone tell me please what setting they use for line 
wrapping? I thought in .vimrc it'd be


set textwidth=72

but that doesn't seem to work. Is it a setting in .muttrc
or in .vimrc? Or an additional setting?

thanks,
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Re: [SOLVED] Re: mutt seems laggy to resume on v.2.x

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On Thu, Nov 26, 2020 at 04:03:53PM -0800, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote:

I'd normally say to double check $imap_check_subscribed is unset, but
that option is quite old.  Perhaps something has changed in the code
there, but I'm not recalling anything right now.


Well, you were right, it was enabled! I've disabled it now, and adjusted the
spool folder location.

thanks,
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[SOLVED] Re: mutt seems laggy to resume on v.2.x

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Hi,

I *think* i've found the reason for the lagginess. Hopefully what's here will
be of use to others.

With mutt, for this address I make a config file, launch mutt in a screen with 
-F.
On the remote system, I have a lot of different folders which I'll use 
with different email addresses. These email addresses are aliases to the main

account.

What was happening before (mutt v.1.x) was mutt would log in, scan the
imap folders i'd configured for it in .muttrc-lists (and *only* those 
folders, no others) then return and this was quick on an average dsl line.


What is happening now (mutt v.2.x) is it's scanning everything under the
main account. There's a lot of mail there. It's this which is taking the time. 
This was found using -d 2 with mutt. If more than say 30s elapses between
moving pages or moving the highlight bar, when it's moved again it scans 
the entire mailspool again. This is laggy on a 100MBit connection.


Right now I don't know if the old mutt to new mutt is the cause or if there's
been a change that they at the mail hosting have done which has occurred
at the same time as mutt v1 -> mutt v2. It might not be an issue with
mutt at all.

Maybe this isn't the ideal way to have mutt and imap? Some setups have 
an imap cache running locally. Is this better than running imaps access

from .muttrc ?

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Re: mutt seems laggy to resume on v.2.x

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Hi,

ktrace shows (as best I can interpret it) when mutt is "woken up" 
it re-uses the connection to the imap server somehow. It's 
exchanging information, not sure what. But it's a big

segment like a half page full in kdump. So maybe the answer is in
idle parameters. I'll re-do the muttrc with the newly installed
one from 2.0.2 as a template.

Doing stuff like setting fmcache to tmpfs, experimenting with 
different db backends and making sure the hd doesn't sleep seem 
to have no effect so I'm guessing the direct cause isn't local.

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Re: mutt seems laggy to resume on v.2.x

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On Thu, Nov 26, 2020 at 10:34:30AM +1100, Cameron Simpson wrote:


Probably. I don't have a FreeBSD box to hand. Is yours a Raspberry?


yup, rpi4 with 8GB


Have you got ktrace and kdump? Less interactive, but IIRC the process is
to ktrace your mutt command and kdump the resulting log file.


I don't have it right this moment because when building the kernel
it was one of the things I took out to streamline it. I'll recompile
and get back with results.

With my other tests, recompiling mutt with different header 
backends made no difference. I think you're right with the 
auto-sleep thing. Hopefully it can be turned off.


Thanks all for your help.
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Re: mutt seems laggy to resume on v.2.x

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Hi,

On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 05:43:21PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:


possibly reinstall strace.  for my openSUSE Tumbleweed system I show:
 strace-5.9-1.1.x86_64

your version is quite old and version number appear to reflect the kernel
version.  what kernel are you running, 4.5.x ??


I'm using freebsd-current 
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Re: mutt seems laggy to resume on v.2.x

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Hi,

On Thu, Nov 26, 2020 at 09:01:03AM +1100, Cameron Simpson wrote:

A way to check this would be to have another window open running:

   strace -p pid-of-idle-mutt-process

Get that ready. Wait for idleness. Resume. See where it stalls.

If that is hard to observe interactively, strace has options for
including timestamps in the trace output, you could do the resume and
then scroll back looking for the stall in the timestamps.


Unfortunately strace (do you mean devel/strace) appears to be broken:

root@rpi4:/usr/ports/devel/strace# make
===>  strace-4.5.18_1 is marked as broken: Uses procfs-based process debugging.
*** Error code 1

Is there an equivalent tool?

thanks,
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Re: mutt seems laggy to resume on v.2.x

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Hello,

On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 09:59:30AM -0600, Hokan wrote:


I am running a month-old FreeBSD-CURRENT on an RPI-4 (8GB) and could not 
replicate the problem.


thanks for posting yr config.

Your mutt is compiled just slightly differently:


hcache backend: Berkeley DB 5.3.28: (September  9, 2013)


Is there a reason why you're using this hcache backend?

different configure options: '--disable-autocrypt' '--without-sqlite3' 
'--with-bdb=/usr/local' '--without-tokyocabinet' 


Compile options:

ISPELL="/usr/local/bin/ispell"


I'm going to try recompiling with options as you've set them.
Might try kyotocabinet too
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mutt seems laggy to resume on v.2.x

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Hi,

I'm finding mutt significantly more laggy to resume on later
versions (=>2.x) than say 1.5.21.

Let's say there's the list of emails in a folder already 
selected. If I use up or down arrow for example, it'll sit for 
3-4 seconds doing nothing and then move. But once moving, it's

as responsive as it's always been before.

Then, say 5 minutes happen where nothing happens. Slow to move
around again. I'm using imaps. It's not having to re-authenticate, 
so the connection isn't dropping. Ping times to the imap server 
are 77ms, no packet loss.


Is it my config? Maybe should revise it as it's not changed
significantly for more than a decade. What should I be looking for?

For context:
freebsd-current (all debugging has been turned off)
TMP is ~/tmp and is tmpfs (memory) mounted.
$HOME is usb3-mounted spinning rust.

% mutt -v
Mutt 2.0.2 (2020-11-20)
Copyright (C) 1996-2020 Michael R. Elkins and others.
Mutt comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details type `mutt -vv'.
Mutt is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
under certain conditions; type `mutt -vv' for details.

System: FreeBSD 13.0-CURRENT (arm64)
ncurses: ncurses 6.2.20200215 (compiled with 6.2)
libiconv: 1.16
libidn2: 2.3.0 (compiled with 2.3.0)
hcache backend: tokyocabinet 1.4.48

Compiler:
FreeBSD clang version 11.0.0 (g...@github.com:llvm/llvm-project.git 
llvmorg-11.0.0-0-g176249bd673)
Target: aarch64-unknown-freebsd13.0
Thread model: posix
InstalledDir: /usr/bin

Configure options: '--disable-fcntl' '--with-ssl=/usr' 
'--with-docdir=/usr/local/share/doc/mutt' '--sysconfdir=/usr/local/etc' 
'--enable-external-dotlock' '--enable-pop' '--enable-imap' 
'--enable-compressed' '--enable-sidebar' '--enable-autocrypt' 
'--with-sqlite3=/usr/local' '--enable-debug' '--disable-flock' '--enable-gpgme' 
'--without-gss' '--without-bdb' '--without-kyotocabinet' '--enable-hcache' 
'--without-qdbm' '--without-gdbm' '--with-tokyocabinet=/usr/local' 
'--with-libiconv-prefix=/usr/local' '--with-idn2=/usr/local' 
'--enable-locales-fix' '--enable-nls' '--with-sasl=/usr/local' '--enable-smtp' 
'--prefix=/usr/local' '--localstatedir=/var' '--mandir=/usr/local/man' 
'--disable-silent-rules' '--infodir=/usr/local/share/info/' 
'--build=aarch64-portbld-freebsd13.0' 'build_alias=aarch64-portbld-freebsd13.0' 
'CC=cc' 'CFLAGS=-O2 -pipe  -fstack-protector-strong -fno-strict-aliasing ' 
'LDFLAGS=  -fstack-protector-strong ' 'LIBS=' 'CPPFLAGS=' 'CPP=cpp'

Compilation CFLAGS: -Wall -pedantic -Wno-long-long -O2 -pipe  
-fstack-protector-strong -fno-strict-aliasing

Compile options:
-DOMAIN
+DEBUG
-HOMESPOOL  +USE_SETGID  +USE_DOTLOCK  +DL_STANDALONE  -USE_FCNTL  -USE_FLOCK   
+USE_POP  +USE_IMAP  +USE_SMTP  
+USE_SSL_OPENSSL  -USE_SSL_GNUTLS  +USE_SASL  -USE_GSS  +HAVE_GETADDRINFO  
+HAVE_REGCOMP  -USE_GNU_REGEX  
+HAVE_COLOR  +HAVE_START_COLOR  +HAVE_TYPEAHEAD  +HAVE_BKGDSET  
+HAVE_CURS_SET  +HAVE_META  +HAVE_RESIZETERM  +HAVE_FUTIMENS  
+CRYPT_BACKEND_CLASSIC_PGP  +CRYPT_BACKEND_CLASSIC_SMIME  +CRYPT_BACKEND_GPGME  
-EXACT_ADDRESS  -SUN_ATTACHMENT  
+ENABLE_NLS  +LOCALES_HACK  +HAVE_WC_FUNCS  +HAVE_LANGINFO_CODESET  +HAVE_LANGINFO_YESEXPR  
+HAVE_ICONV  -ICONV_NONTRANS  -HAVE_LIBIDN  +HAVE_LIBIDN2  +HAVE_GETSID  +USE_HCACHE  
+USE_SIDEBAR  +USE_COMPRESSED  -USE_INOTIFY  
-ISPELL

SENDMAIL="/usr/sbin/sendmail"
MAILPATH="/var/mail"
PKGDATADIR="/usr/local/share/mutt"
SYSCONFDIR="/usr/local/etc"
EXECSHELL="/bin/sh"
-MIXMASTER

To contact the developers, please mail to .
To report a bug, please contact the Mutt maintainers via gitlab:
https://gitlab.com/muttmua/mutt/issues

patch-1.5.0.ats.date_conditional.1
patch-1.5.6.cb.reverse_reply.2
patch-1.5.7.ust.maildir-mtime.2
patch-1.5.4.cd.ifdef.1
vvv.quote
vvv.initials

thanks,
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Re: IMAP && Server certificate has expired

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On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 03:20:51PM +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> Any ideas?

Run mutt with the -d2 switch and it'll store debug information in ~/.muttdebug0.

For me, mutt finds a PositiveSSL wildcard cert after STARTTLS on the host and
port you specified:

  [2019-05-31 15:49:53] Looking up imap.1blu.de...
  [2020-05-31 15:49:53] Connecting to imap.1blu.de...
  [2020-05-31 15:49:53] Connected to imap.1blu.de:143 on fd=4
  [2020-05-31 15:49:53] 4< * OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 SASL-IR LOGIN-REFERRALS 
ID ENABLE IDLE LITERAL+ STARTTLS AUTH=PLAIN] Dovecot ready.
  [2020-05-31 15:49:53] 4> a STARTTLS
  [2020-05-31 15:49:53] 4< a OK Begin TLS negotiation now.
  [2020-05-31 15:49:53] ssl_load_certificates: loading trusted certificates
  [2020-05-31 15:49:53] mutt_ssl_starttls: Error loading trusted certificates
  [2020-05-31 15:49:53] ssl_verify_callback: checking cert chain entry 
/C=GB/ST=Greater Manchester/L=Salford/O=COMODO CA Limited/CN=COMODO RSA 
Certification Authority (preverify: 1 skipmode: 0)
  [2020-05-31 15:49:53] ssl_verify_callback: checking cert chain entry 
/C=GB/ST=Greater Manchester/L=Salford/O=COMODO CA Limited/CN=COMODO RSA Domain 
Validation Secure Server CA (preverify: 1 skipmode: 0)
  [2020-05-31 15:49:53] ssl_verify_callback: checking cert chain entry 
/OU=Domain Control Validated/OU=PositiveSSL Wildcard/CN=*.1blu.de (preverify: 1 
skipmode: 0)
  [2020-05-31 15:49:53] ssl_verify_callback: hostname check passed
  [2020-05-31 15:49:53] TLSv1.3 connection using TLSv1.3 
(TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384)

openssl s_client confirms that this valid PositiveSSL wildcard cert is being
presented on both ports 143 after STARTTLS and port 993 (IMAPS). So far so good?

Unless the hoster was just rotating certs when you were looking, your mutt debug
output will tell you more. Lastly -- make 100% sure that the DNS name is
resolving to the correct IP address for you locally -- compare dig @1.1.1.1
imap.1blu.de to whatever your mutt debug output shows as well as the output of
dig without the @ clause.

Re: hcache and display options

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On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 03:07:16PM +0100, tech-lists wrote:
[...]

thanks for the pointers. Does slang have any advantages over ncurses though? I
have both, and use slang in slrn. There is ncurses in the OS and a later
version is in ports (FreeBSD) 
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Re: Search in limited index

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On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 11:05:10AM +0200, Salve Håkedal wrote:
> If I limit (l) the saved mail index to one person by searching for
> that persons name, the entries in the index is reduced to only mails
> from that person. Within only these mails, how can I search for i.e.
> "price" in the mail bodies?

You can just AND the patterns. This does not even require extra syntax,
just use e.g. this as the limit pattern:

  ~f Salve ~b price

See the manual at http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/#complex-patterns for
more details.

hcache and display options

[tech-lists]

Hi,

When compiling mutt, I have several options for the header cache:

1. HCACHE_TOKYOCABINET
2. HCACHE_KYOTOCABINET
3. HCACHE_NONE
4. HCACHE_BDB

Which is "best"? I use mutt with imap directly. The machine it's on has an old
sse2/sse3 cpu, but 8GB RAM. The drive is SSD (230GB)

I also have these options:

5. NCURSES
6. SLANG

Which is best for use of mutt within screen(8) ?

thanks,
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J.


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Re: Getting color on FreeBSD

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On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 07:14:28PM -0500, Tim Chase wrote:

I'm a bit stuck trying to figure out why colors aren't working for me
on FreeBSD (where I understand that termcap is used rather than
terminfo).


How are you invoking mutt?

The only way I can get a mono mutt display is by invoking mutt with an empty
config file (as I have a .muttrc with color statements already):

touch .argaerg
mutt -F .argaerg

Have you tried copying the supplied sample.muttrc to $HOME/.muttrc and then
running mutt? It'll at least show you colour if $TERM is xterm-256color

If you installed mutt with pkg, colour will be enabled. Here's my mutt -v :

Mutt 1.12.1 (2019-06-15)
Copyright (C) 1996-2016 Michael R. Elkins and others.
Mutt comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details type `mutt -vv'.
Mutt is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
under certain conditions; type `mutt -vv' for details.

System: FreeBSD 12.0-RELEASE-p10 (amd64)
ncurses: ncurses 5.9.20140222 (compiled with 5.9)
libiconv: 1.14
libidn2: 2.2.0 (compiled with 2.2.0)
hcache backend: Berkeley DB 5.3.28: (September  9, 2013)

Compiler:
FreeBSD clang version 6.0.1 (tags/RELEASE_601/final 335540) (based on LLVM
6.0.1)
Target: x86_64-unknown-freebsd12.0
Thread model: posix
InstalledDir: /usr/bin

[...]

Compile options:
-DOMAIN
-DEBUG
-HOMESPOOL  +USE_SETGID  +USE_DOTLOCK  +DL_STANDALONE  -USE_FCNTL  -USE_FLOCK   
+USE_POP  +USE_IMAP  +USE_SMTP  
+USE_SSL_OPENSSL  -USE_SSL_GNUTLS  +USE_SASL  -USE_GSS  +HAVE_GETADDRINFO  
+HAVE_REGCOMP  -USE_GNU_REGEX  
+HAVE_COLOR  +HAVE_START_COLOR  +HAVE_TYPEAHEAD  +HAVE_BKGDSET  
+HAVE_CURS_SET  +HAVE_META  +HAVE_RESIZETERM  +HAVE_FUTIMENS  
+CRYPT_BACKEND_CLASSIC_PGP  +CRYPT_BACKEND_CLASSIC_SMIME  +CRYPT_BACKEND_GPGME  
-EXACT_ADDRESS  -SUN_ATTACHMENT  
+ENABLE_NLS  +LOCALES_HACK  +HAVE_WC_FUNCS  +HAVE_LANGINFO_CODESET
+HAVE_LANGINFO_YESEXPR  
+HAVE_ICONV  -ICONV_NONTRANS  -HAVE_LIBIDN  +HAVE_LIBIDN2  +HAVE_GETSID
+USE_HCACHE  
+USE_SIDEBAR  +USE_COMPRESSED  -USE_INOTIFY  
-ISPELL


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J.


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Re: mutt 1.05 TLS socket terminated?

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1st step: Does it happen with other email clients and the same remote
server? E.g. do use msmtp, Thunderbird etc against the same server for a
while.

Guess: This looks more like the server / the remote end is shutting the
TLS connection down. As you know the server and the port, connect with
openssl s_client a couple of times (it also supports STARTTLS with EHLO,
though you need to get the exact command from the man page
openssl-s_client(1)) and speak some SMTP. Perhaps you can reproduce the
problem?

Guess: Could it be that the remote end drops you when under load? Do you
have access to the remote server logs? If not, your service provider
might be able to look up potential errors in their log.

Re: imap4s timeouts and closed connections

[tech-lists]

Hi,

On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 01:17:33PM -0400, José María Mateos wrote:


I also have Fastmail and also have these problem -- mailboxes are closed
and a malformed TLS package warning is shown. I haven't found a way to
solve this with any combination of timeouts, keepalive, etc. In the end,
this brought me back to solve whatever issues I had with offlineimap and
do everything locally now.


Please can you tell me what OS you were using and whether you were using
openssl or gnutls for ssl, when you were experiencing the problem?

thanks,
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J.


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Re: Composing ask From: address and arbitrary keys in PGP

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On Thu, Aug 01, 2019 at 05:50:59AM +, Ryan Smith wrote:

The identity macro does work, but it will not work for setting custom
header in composing new emails as hdr is set before about sending
emails.
I tried gpgme which does not seems to give me any option to select
self encrypt key based on From: , but always use default key
Can you illustrate more on how to select signing key based on From:
in gpgme? gpgme seems also only uses default key as sign as if you
have multiple accounts and different for keys for each account.
Ryan


Sorry I wasn't clear. Re-reading what I wrote, seems to suggest I select
the From: and then the appropiate key gets auto-selected. That doesn't
happen. The default key remains the default key. If I select a different
From: and want a signing key for that identity, I select the appropriate
key from the gpg sign-as multi-selection.

The other way of doing it is to have two mutt sessions each running in
screen or tmux, each with different muttrc files with different
identities and different signing defaults. This is how I keep work 
emails amd mailing list emails separate.

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J.


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Re: imap4s timeouts and closed connections

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On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 07:59:58AM -0700, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote:


Actually, if you don't mind compiling out of git, perhaps you could try
the branch 'kevin/stable-poll-fix'.  I have a theory about what might be
the problem and would appreciate if you would give that branch a try.


Hi Kevin,

Yes I can do that. Not right this minute but hopefully later. Many
thanks for looking at this. I'll get back to you when done.

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J.


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Re: Preferred way to get imap emails

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On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 08:44:09AM +0530, Pankaj Jangid wrote:
> I don't know which distribution you are on. Right now I am on macOS and
> installed mbsync using Homebrew. mbsync comes under isync package in
> Homebrew. And isync provides a daemon by the same name. I just had to
> 
> brew services start isync

That service is not part of isync but of the packaging [1].

Personally, I'm using the systemd service + timer from [2] on Linux. If
you read [1], it shows that they do exactly the same thing, creating a
service that runs in specific intervals, on macOS.

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[1] https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-core/blob/master/Formula/isync.rb
[2] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Isync#Automatic_synchronization

imap4s timeouts and closed connections

[tech-lists]

Hi,

context: Mutt 1.12.1 / freebsd12-stable

I'm using fastmail for all my mail and I access it with imap4s. Lately
I've been seeing timeouts, or a mailbox will just close [1], and yet my
connection (fibre) is stable. I've been using imap with mutt ever since 
direct imap support became available, and this is the first time I've

really had any problem with mutt in an imap context.

I have the following in my .muttrc:

set mail_check=90
set imap_keepalive=30
set timeout=15

I can be just reading mail in the mailbox then "connection closed"

How can I fix? I've done some searching about this but can't find much
for my version of mutt and what I did find was inconclusive. But it's an
issue that seems to come up repeatedly.

[1] doubly annoying because my lastread isn't recorded ie the mailbox
closes without synching.

thanks,
--
J.


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Re: Composing ask From: address and arbitrary keys in PGP

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On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 05:12:08AM +, g...@riseup.net wrote:

1. When composing messages, mutt ask To: or recipient adress and 
Subject: and then go to editor. How to make mutt ask for 
From: or sender address only and then go to editor?


I use this, in muttrc:

# my identities
macro compose v "^Uidentity_" "Select from"

alias identity_a0 tech-lists 
alias identity_a1 someotheraddress 

[...etc...]

and use v then hit tab to get a selectable list. This selected when
about to send the email. I'm unsure what the proper name for that part
of mutt is.

I use gpgme which selects the signing key based on From:

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J.


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Re: mutt and clear-signing

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On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 09:20:53AM +1000, m...@raf.org wrote:


be warned though that the SKS network (where you might get keys from)
has recently been attacked by the poisoning of some high profile keys
that, if fetched and imported, will break your gnupg installation.

see the following for more information and advice:

 https://gist.github.com/rjhansen/67ab921ffb4084c865b3618d6955275f


thanks very much for this. what a nightmare!
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J.


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mutt and clear-signing

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Hi,

I'm using mutt v.1.12.0 on freebsd-current with gpgme. In my config, mutt will
verify clearsigned gpg sigs if the public key is on the gpg keyring.

But if the key is unknown, mutt will say the key is unknown, and this is
normal and expected.

What I want to happen is, if the key is unknown i'd like mutt to prompt
something like "get key y/n" or even automatically fetch the key and add
it to the keyring if the public key is valid. What's the best way to
accomplish this?

At the moment I have to open another term and gpg --recv-keys keyid

thanks,
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J.


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Re: Bottom posting v top posting

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On 13/05/2018 18:15, Martin Trautmann wrote:

IBTD. Major e-mail tools, such as outlook, failed to support proper threading. 
Writing on a smartphone here, I'm not even aware of an app with threading.


You're using K-9 mail which has apparently supported threading since 
4.390-beta, see 
http://grokbase.com/t/gg/k-9-mail/135pt36a12/conversation-threaded-view/oldest


I must admit that I don't know of an MUA that does not have threading 
capability in 2018. But I know nothing about outlook.



But are we still discussing bottom vs. top quoting? The here recommended style 
to me is known as INLINE QUOTING, where you do trim the quoting to the few 
lines which will help to understand the context of a discussion.


Oh I do that as well. I said:

Personally, if I need to quote someone back to themselves, I'll do it inline. 


But inline quoting has its own issues. Multiple inline quotes from 
multiple messages can get messy. IMOHO messier than just bottom posting, 
which is at least logically chronological.


--
J.

Re: Bottom posting v top posting

[tech-lists]

On 13/05/2018 00:52, Brian Salter-Duke wrote:

The use of phones for email
alters the game. It is time we gave up bottom posting!


No!! ;) and you're missing the point (IMOHO) :( basically, people 
quote back way too much. This is the issue. Most email apps allow 
threaded mail, so very little need to quote whole screeds. Personally, 
if I need to quote someone back to themselves, I'll do it inline.


just my 0.02 euros, generically because this client is thunderbird.
--
J.

Re: moving messages on imap4 server based on date received

[tech-lists]

On Sun, Oct 08, 2017 at 04:35:47PM -0500, Larry Rosenman wrote:

Whether you can run on YOUR server, I do not know, but I've been running 
this script for ~1 year.


Hi, thanks for the script, I've saved it as it may come in useful
one day. Unfortunately I'm not running my own mail server at this
time; I'm using FastMail so need to work around that.

archivemail *nearly* does what's needed, except that it saves to local
disk, whereas what I want is to save it in an archive folder on the
server, without compression or other encoding.

There's an add-on for Thunderbird that does exactly what's needed. It's
called awesome auto-archiver or something like that. Of course the
problem for me there is that it's thunderbird, and I want to run mutt
because it's elegant and lightweight and copes happily with thousands
of emails even on a low-powered netbook.

--
J.

Re: moving messages on imap4 server based on date received

[tech-lists]

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 03:56:35PM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 02:10:22PM +0100, tech-lists wrote:

Hello mutt-users@

I'm running mutt 1.9.1 (2017-09-22) on freebsd-11-stable.

What I'd like to have is, when mutt loads, it scans its subscribed
folders and moves the mail based on date received into preconfigured
mail folders. Either that, or maybe run another standalone program in a
screen or cron that does the same. I don't want to "download" the mail
at this stage - it needs to be moved around on the remote server.

Can mutt do this, or is there another program that does this with imap4?


If your IMAP server supports SIEVE, that is the easiest way to
get this done. Sorting will happen at delivery time.


Hi, sorry for the late reply

The reason I can't use SIEVE is because SIEVE rules act at delivery time
only. By delivery time, I mean the time they arrive on the imap server.

What I want to happen is, for emails already in folders on the imap
server, if they're over say 30 days old, for an automatic process to
move them into an archive folder on the same server.

thanks,
--
J.

Re: moving messages on imap4 server based on date received

[tech-lists]

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 03:56:35PM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:


If your IMAP server supports SIEVE, that is the easiest way to
get this done. Sorting will happen at delivery time.


yep it supports seive, but not every option, hopefully it will support
mive from folder by arrive date, for multiple folders.

thanks,
--
J.

moving messages on imap4 server based on date received

[tech-lists]

Hello mutt-users@

I'm running mutt 1.9.1 (2017-09-22) on freebsd-11-stable.

What I'd like to have is, when mutt loads, it scans its subscribed
folders and moves the mail based on date received into preconfigured
mail folders. Either that, or maybe run another standalone program in a
screen or cron that does the same. I don't want to "download" the mail
at this stage - it needs to be moved around on the remote server.

Can mutt do this, or is there another program that does this with imap4? 


thanks,
--
J.

Re: Encoding issue with attachment

[lists]

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 08:45:14AM +0200, steve wrote:
> Hello,

Hi

> As said in the subject, I have some issue with some attachment that I
> get when wanting to save them. For instance, I get this:
> 
> ./=?iso-8859-1?Q?Convocation_et_Agenda_Comit=E9_Strat=E9gique_2017.04.02?==?iso-8859-1?Q?_-_V2.pdf?=
> 
> 
> We see that the 'é' became '=E9' and some more junk.

I think you might be looking for the rfc2047_parameters option (see
documentation).

[...]
 
> Thank you and have a nice day.
> 
> Steve

HTH

Andreas

Re: Mailbox closed with gmail account

[lists]

On Fri, Oct 07, 2016 at 11:13:05AM +0200, tristero tristero wrote:
> Hello,

> The problem is that after a couple of minutes of inactivity, it
> disconnects and it displays the message "Mailbox closed". I've already
> looked around for a solution and as you can see at the end of my
> configuration I tried setting a very small time interval to keepalive
> and also mail_check, but still nothing.
> Is there a solution to this?

I am personally not a user of gmail so I am not sure if this is a
client-contrallable option to begin with as it makes to close
long-standing IMAP connections on the server side (at least with free
email products...) but most people I know about use mutt + gmail with
tools like offlineimap, fetchmail or similar which sync the IMAP folders
to local storage in regular intervals (and back if you make local
changes). This could serve as a workaround if this can't be solved in
terms of client-side configuration.

Re: preview images before attaching

[lists]

On Mon, Sep 05, 2016 at 08:46:44AM -0400, Peter P. wrote:
> I am frequently attaching images to emails in mutt and wonder if there
> is a way I can preview them when selecting the files, but before
> actually attaching them. I imagine selecting/entering the path to the
> file to be attached, but then pressing TAB once more, or using any
> other keypress, launching eg. imagemagick's display to show the image
> briefly.

I have in my .mailcap:

  image/*; mutt_bgrun sxiv -fbz100 '%s'

Then, in mutt's Compose view,  is bound to view-attach --
selecting an attachment and hitting return opens the file in the
specified application _after_ attaching the file.

In the Directory view when navigation to an attachment,  is bound
to view-file and does the same _before_ attaching the file.

This works for every mimetype you have a suitable viewer for.

Re: mutt, vim, and autowrapping replies

[lists]

On 18Aug2016 20:25, Jeremy Volkening  wrote:
Generally speaking I have the interface between mutt and vim regarding 
wrapping, flowed text, and quoting working satisfactorily. However, 
sometimes I receive mail with no line breaks within paragraphs. If I 
reply to such a message, the lack of hard breaks in the quoted 
paragraphs is retained within vim, and I'd rather not send out my 
replies formatted in this way. I can re-format the paragraphs to 
follow my textwidth setting with a few keystrokes, but I was wondering 
if anyone knew of anything I could add to "mail.vim" to re-flow the 
quoted text automatically upon opening in vim?


Nice, thanks for asking this question; I had no idea that I wanted this. 


I found the answer here:
http://www.mdlerch.com/emailing-mutt-and-vim-advanced-config.html

I'm using it now; it works well. Except,

On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 02:14:15PM +1000, c...@zip.com.au wrote:
One caveat is that in format=flowed a line with no trailing space is 
actually not meant to be reflowed. Such as lines of code.


I'm not sure how it handles this, the way it is. It'll probably need 
tweaking. It's already butchered my sig.


-- Rick Valenzuela Videojournalist Shanghai, China

+86 185 0177 0138 r...@rickv.com

GnuPG ID: 0xD5644029

Re: [SPAM?] Re: [SPAM?] How to allow mutt to send from different accounts on the command line?

[lists]

On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 08:22:17AM +0100, spaceman wrote:
> Having just been looking at a similar problem it might better to use
> 
> set sendmail = "/usr/bin/msmtp --read-envelope-from"
> 
> Which removes the need to specify an account completely with msmtp so long as 
> it can find a matching from address in you msmtp config.

It's what I'm also using.

If there is no global "from" key in msmtprc, i.e. every "from" instance
is grouped under an "account" stanza, it will use From: to select the
first matching account also, without --read-envelope-from.

Re: [SPAM?] How to allow mutt to send from different accounts on the command line?

[lists]

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 05:48:01PM -0500, Peng Yu wrote:
> Hi, I have msmtp set up on my computer. But I don't find how to
> specify different accounts to send email from mutt command line. Does
> anybody know how to do it? Thanks.

I am also using msmtp, but in a way so that different email addresses
are mapped to different accounts in msmtprc because I use different
login creds for different accounts:

  [common settings]

  account a
  from o...@example.com
  [server creds for account a]

  account b
  from t...@example.com
  [server creds for account b]

  account c
  [...and so on...]

A more mutt-like solution could be to use send-hooks to set the
$sendmail variable every time the From: header of an email changes.
msmtp accepts the account to be used on the command line as -a $account,

  send-hook "~f o...@example.com" 'set sendmail = "/usr/bin/msmtp -a a"'
  send-hook "~f t...@example.com" 'set sendmail = "/usr/bin/msmtp -a b"'

Re: associating sig and other properties with "From:" drop-down in mutt

[tech-lists]

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 10:56:29PM +0200, Wim wrote:

Hi,
what you could try is to associate various identitys with send-hooks
in this way:
send-hook . "source identity_a0"   # default config
send-hook "~f identity_a1" "source a1" # the a1 identity
send-hook "~f identity_a2" "source a2" # the a2 identity
and so on...
where "~f identity_a1" is one of your email identities and a1, a2 set the
various identity parameters, signatures, headers and stuff in seperate
files. Don't forget some parameters you'll have to set to zero, for example:
ignore * for the headers.
Don't know if this will work but if successfull post the results.


Thanks, I'll try that. My overriding concern is that it'll still give
the nifty drop-down-to-select.

--
J.

associating sig and other properties with "From:" drop-down in mutt

[tech-lists]

Hello list,

In my .muttrc I have a section that begins like this:
###
macro compose v "^Uidentity_" "Select from"
###

after this I have various addresses:

alias identity_a0 my-preferred-email-address 
alias identity_a1 my-work-email-address 

This setup works well, allowing me to set the From: from a drop-down
before I send.

What I'd like is, for each From: also associate a sig and other
characteristics, like whether by default the email should be
gpg-signed, what other headers it wants. Is there an elegant way to do
this? I don't want "being able to select the other address" to change,
hopefully that can remain as-is. What I want is the *consequences of
that selection* to change, so that on selection it's not just the
"From:" that changes, but the other stuff as well.

Many thanks,
--
J.

Re: Using a sendmail replacement?

[lists]

On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 08:45:19PM +0100, Gabriel Philippe wrote:
> I found nullmailer, but it is designed for a system-wide use:
> conffiles in /etc/, stuff in /var, etc. I'm not sure I would manage to
> have it work differently.
> 
> Any idea?

I am using msmtp[1] for this. You can keep its configuration entirely in $HOME.

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gmail-style conversation threading

[lists]

Is there a way to thread conversations to include the account's own
replies. For instance, so all emails in Inbox and Sent that belong to
the same thread are displayed?

--
Rick Valenzuela
Videojournalist
Shanghai, China

Forward with attachments

[Mailing Lists]

Hello,
i would forward a received mail with his attachments, but for my mutt's
configuration it do not happens: is it possible and how can i do?

Best regards
Massimo

buffy-size

[lists]

Hello,

i'm using mutt 1.5.17 on FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE-20070808.
Because my maildir is on nfs i use the buffy_size patch.
This generally works i see new mails in my folders which is okay.
I also see new mails in folders which are very old, but maybe this is normal
for the first run. Don't konw exactly how this works.

Unfortunately when i reopen my mutt it says that the same old
mailfolders contains new mails which isn't true.
A few weeks ago i used mutt 1.5.14 where this problem doesn't occur.

Did i missed something?

greetz
alex

-- 
We're sysadmins.  To us, data is a protocol-overhead.

'N' indicator in folder list

[Peter R. Wood - Lists]

Greetings,

I'm trying out mutt v. 1.3.27i and am finding it to be quite nice so far.
However, one thing I have noticed is that when I am viewing my list of
mailboxes ('c' then 'tab'), there are no 'N' indicators next to mailboxes
which contain unread mail. Is this a feature that I need to toggle on in this
version? Or has this ability been eliminated?

Thanks,

Peter

[Exim] Annoying mailbot misconfig

[Odhiambo Washington [EMAIL PROTECTED] \[arthur/Exim Mailing lists\]]

* Jeremy C. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] [20011122 04:19]: writing on the subject '(za8Y) 
BOUNCE [EMAIL PROTECTED]:Non-member submission from [W a s h i n g t o n 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]] (fwd)'
| Odhiambo,
| 
| Please fix your autoresponder!
| 
| Do not have it autoreply to mailing lists.
| 
| I know you are on the Exim mailing list. Recently there was some
| discussion on making sure your autoresponder behaves correctly.

Hello Jeremy  the others who I got annoyed,

My autoresponder was sorted out. Yesterday after subscribing to vm-pop3d-users, I went 
to add
the list name to the mailbot and kinda made a fatal error.

(list1|\
list2|\
list3|
vm-pop3d-users|)

That ommission in the line continuation has caused so much grief to me and almost the
whole world. At some point such fuck-ups come in because of so much pressure around.

I highly regret it.


-Wash

+++
You can do this in a number of ways.  IBM chose to do all of them.
Why do you find that funny?
-- D. Taylor, Computer Science 350

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