Re: Managing mailboxes with fixed prefix
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robert Ian Smit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Jun 08, 2002 at 12:39:11PM +0300, Jussi Ekholm wrote: I've set Procmail to sort every mailing list into a different folder, thus mutt-users goes to =mutt-users. And mutt-dev goes to =mutt-dev. And all debian-* lists are sorted the same way, too. Then I have some local mailboxes, like =logcheck, =cron and so on. And every read mail goes to =archive/same_named_folder. I'm pretty satisfied with it, and it's pretty logical. For me, at least. :-) I would use your system if it wasn't for large volume lists like debian-user. When I don't read mail for say 24 hours there are perhaps 200 to 300 new messages in debian-user. If I want to clear messages quickly, but avoid deleting stuff that I want to keep for reference or a reply, I open IN-* to see all new mail for that list. From there it goes either to =* or I delete it. After that I open =* and can focus on messages that need further attention. I'm subscribed to large volume lists (not as large as debian-users, tho!). Still, I check the interesting looking headers straight from the mailbox Procmail puts them without moving mails from particular IN-folder to one where the interesting stuff would go. Maybe your system is clearer and better, but I've just accustomed myself to this; all mail for mutt-users goes to =mutt-users and such forth. Sometimes the mailbox can get pretty fscking big, but then I just eye through the headers and mark threads, which doesn't seem interesting, read and it goes to =archive/mutt-users. Does anyone keep everything from a list like debian-user on their hard-drive to have a local archive? I can imagine doing something like that, because searching the web-based archives is a pain. Is this a practical solution in regards to the size of the mailbox (ie. disk usage and speed of searching)? I'll create bzipped tarballs from my archive directory once it's got big enough. Then I store it in my hard drive and maybe some day move to portable media like CD-ROM. My bzipped archive archive (:-)) is now a bit over 21M and the current ~/Mail/archive 30M. This is the way I manage my mails. :-) - -- Jussi Ekholm -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://erppimaa.ihku.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9E3MmAtEARxQQCB4RAoI1AJ0VD/ms4Sd8YlhJ6gJC2nsh4AdDXwCeLnuZ JePoZSfLl++m3kDkCkWS8CU= =yJPA -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Managing mailboxes with fixed prefix
David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and then Jussi Ekholm said... This is probably a stupid question, but I'll ask it anyway because it has been bothering me since I first subscribed to mutt-user. ;-) Not stupid :-) Yeah! Didn't someone say, that: There is no stupid questions, there is only stupid people. And wasn't that someone our dear mimbari, Draal, in Babylon 5? :-D What's the thing with mailboxes with filename starting with IN It's just a convention, rather than anything as lofty as a standard, and when folks see it they often take it up for themselves. Ah, I see. Then, I use a little different sorting methods and folder names. ;-) I don't have any folder, which would contain some string which would imply that the mail is coming in -- except 'inbox', of course. When I started working with email I simply used =F.* for 'f'olders that caught list mail; my mutt-users (and mutt-rpm and mutt-announce, BTW) mail comes into =F.mutt I've set Procmail to sort every mailing list into a different folder, thus mutt-users goes to =mutt-users. And mutt-dev goes to =mutt-dev. And all debian-* lists are sorted the same way, too. Then I have some local mailboxes, like =logcheck, =cron and so on. And every read mail goes to =archive/same_named_folder. I'm pretty satisfied with it, and it's pretty logical. For me, at least. :-) You can also check back in the archives for various posts talking about organizing mail folders and such. Lots of people have tried various methods, each with their merits but none sufficiently perfect to take over the world :-) Hehe, I know what you mean. :-) I have to admit; I'm the kind of guy, who wants to organize *everything*. So, I'm constantly modifying my ~/.muttrc and every other possible thing. My next big project is to fully re-organize the keymappings of Slrn. Mutt comes next. :-) -- Jussi Ekholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] | GNU/Linux user number 269376 http://erppimaa.cjb.net/~ekhowl/ | GnuPG Public Key ID: 1410081E msg28751/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Managing mailboxes with fixed prefix
On Sat, Jun 08, 2002 at 12:39:11PM +0300, Jussi Ekholm wrote: I've set Procmail to sort every mailing list into a different folder, thus mutt-users goes to =mutt-users. And mutt-dev goes to =mutt-dev. And all debian-* lists are sorted the same way, too. Then I have some local mailboxes, like =logcheck, =cron and so on. And every read mail goes to =archive/same_named_folder. I'm pretty satisfied with it, and it's pretty logical. For me, at least. :-) I would use your system if it wasn't for large volume lists like debian-user. When I don't read mail for say 24 hours there are perhaps 200 to 300 new messages in debian-user. If I want to clear messages quickly, but avoid deleting stuff that I want to keep for reference or a reply, I open IN-* to see all new mail for that list. From there it goes either to =* or I delete it. After that I open =* and can focus on messages that need further attention. By the way I also have ~/Mail/archive/*. So a message I want to keep for eternity has been in three different mailboxes read/controlled by mutt. Thank god for mutt this isn't the nightmare I would have perceived it to be just a couple of weeks ago. At the time I was using Win/Eudora for mail. Handling every message three times in a mailer like that would drive me crazy. Does anyone keep everything from a list like debian-user on their hard-drive to have a local archive? I can imagine doing something like that, because searching the web-based archives is a pain. Is this a practical solution in regards to the size of the mailbox (ie. disk usage and speed of searching)? Bob msg28758/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Managing mailboxes with fixed prefix
* Robert Ian Smit [EMAIL PROTECTED], 2002-06-08 10:23 -0400: On Sat, Jun 08, 2002 at 12:39:11PM +0300, Jussi Ekholm wrote: [on archiving] Does anyone keep everything from a list like debian-user on their hard-drive to have a local archive? I can imagine doing something like that, because searching the web-based archives is a pain. Is this a practical solution in regards to the size of the mailbox (ie. disk usage and speed of searching)? I use mbox format (faster than Maildir) mailboxes, and a combination of scoring and copying to archive what I consider to be important. Essentially, the scoring: set index_format=%4C %2M%Z (%2N) %[%y%m%d] %-17.17F (%3l) %s set score_threshold_delete=0 set score_threshold_flag=30 set score_threshold_read=15 unscore * score '~A' 20 score '~=' - score '~P|~p|~Q' 20 folder-hook . 'score ~=|(!(~p|~P|~Q|~F)~d14d) -' # Flagged as ! is colored cyan color index cyan default '~F' This deletes all messages that are either duplicate or not related to me or not flagged as important, if they are older than two weeks. folder-hook . 'save-hook . =save.%B' This saves messages to a folder with the same name as the current folder but preceded by save. when you hit s macro index \eS 1\n\eV^T~A\nT(~P|~p|~Q|~F)~r3w\n;s\n Delete old; archive macro pager \eS q1\n\eV^T~A\nT(~P|~p|~Q|~F)~r3w\n;s\n Delete old; archive When you hit Esc S, your surviving messages older than three weeks are moved to the respective folder preceeded by save. as set above. The only problem is if there are no messages. In this case mutt wants to copy the first message in the folder, and I can't find a way around that. That's why I've set #ask for confirmation on moves folder-hook . 'set move=ask-yes' I hope this helps! -Andre msg28760/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Managing mailboxes with fixed prefix
Rocco Rutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05/28/02 04:41:37 CEST] wrote: In .muttrc I have: mailboxes +IN-foobarA +IN-foobarB and also: mbox-hook =IN-foorbarA =foobarA etc. You can use backticks to configure mutt by commands. Given that, use something like: mailboxes `ls -d ~/.mutt/IN.*` This is probably a stupid question, but I'll ask it anyway because it has been bothering me since I first subscribed to mutt-user. ;-) What's the thing with mailboxes with filename starting with IN (whoa, three with's in a row, $$ JACKPOT $$!)? Is it some sort of standard for some mailbox format or what? I'd really want to know, so bear with me... -- Jussi Ekholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] | GNU/Linux user number 269376 http://erppimaa.cjb.net/~ekhowl/ | GnuPG Public Key ID: 1410081E msg28417/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Managing mailboxes with fixed prefix
Jussi, et al -- ...and then Jussi Ekholm said... % % Rocco Rutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: % * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05/28/02 04:41:37 CEST] wrote: % In .muttrc I have: mailboxes +IN-foobarA +IN-foobarB % and also: mbox-hook =IN-foorbarA =foobarA etc. ... % % This is probably a stupid question, but I'll ask it anyway because it % has been bothering me since I first subscribed to mutt-user. ;-) Not stupid :-) % % What's the thing with mailboxes with filename starting with IN (whoa, % three with's in a row, $$ JACKPOT $$!)? Is it some sort of standard % for some mailbox format or what? I'd really want to know, so bear with % me... It's just a convention, rather than anything as lofty as a standard, and when folks see it they often take it up for themselves. When I started working with email I simply used =F.* for 'f'olders that caught list mail; my mutt-users (and mutt-rpm and mutt-announce, BTW) mail comes into =F.mutt, while my fcc copy is =mutt-users (or =mutt-rpm). When I started doing some organizing, I made 'd'irectories like =D.UGA for school stuff and =D.work for work stuff (with, in fact D.* directories thereunder for particular jobs, like =D.work/D.SAP for SAP America or =D.PFE for Pfizer and so on), and I have F.* folders in there for work-related mailing lists. It's just another way to do the same thing: keep a handle on the huge mess of email :-) Were I using an =IN* structure, I'd then be more set up to have an =OUT structure for posts to lists, too; at the moment I have a collision between =support, where I put all generic support-related email I send off to various companies, and [EMAIL PROTECTED] (a dorky name for a mailing list if ever there were one!). For now I've just directed that list mail into my main freenet folder's fcc via a hook (which would be required, in one way or another, for =OUT* anyway) but I'm thinking of an =Lists directory where I have the F.* incoming and * outgoing folders (old habits die hard :-) You can also check back in the archives for various posts talking about organizing mail folders and such. Lots of people have tried various methods, each with their merits but none sufficiently perfect to take over the world :-) % % -- % Jussi Ekholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] | GNU/Linux user number 269376 % http://erppimaa.cjb.net/~ekhowl/ | GnuPG Public Key ID: 1410081E HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg28422/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Managing mailboxes with fixed prefix
Hi, * Jussi Ekholm [05/31/02 12:33:27 CEST] wrote: Rocco Rutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05/28/02 04:41:37 CEST] wrote: In .muttrc I have: mailboxes +IN-foobarA +IN-foobarB and also: mbox-hook =IN-foorbarA =foobarA etc. You can use backticks to configure mutt by commands. Given that, use something like: mailboxes `ls -d ~/.mutt/IN.*` This is probably a stupid question, but I'll ask it anyway because it has been bothering me since I first subscribed to mutt-user. ;-) Go ahead... What's the thing with mailboxes with filename starting with IN (whoa, three with's in a row, $$ JACKPOT $$!)? Is it some sort of standard for some mailbox format or what? I'd really want to know, so bear with me... I've lots of files in ~/.mutt. So naming boxes where procmail sorts mail in like 'IN.localpart_of_listaddress' makes it easy to distinguish. Also, It makes it a lot easier to set a the appropriate value for $mask so that only INboxes are displayed. And as a side note: I do not name my files like that, that's the job of my cleanup shell script (which catches names of subscribed lists from ~/.procmailrc and creates all the setup for mutt). Cheers, Rocco
Managing mailboxes with fixed prefix
Hi, I am new to mutt. Coming from Win/Eudora, I hope you can imagine it's quite a transition. Still I can see why so many people are enthusiastic about this application. I have a question that I hope is easy to solve for experienced users. In .muttrc I have: mailboxes +IN-foobarA +IN-foobarB and also: mbox-hook =IN-foorbarA =foobarA etc. Now for every new mailbox I want to use, I need to edit .muttrc in at least two locations. Is it possible, given the naming conventions, to have only one entry for mailboxes and only one line with mbox-hook. I know regexp exists but that's about is. I have subscribed to mutt-users, but have so far not received a confirmation or other message from this list. So may I humbly ask for a reply to my private email address in case my subscription doesn't work. Thanks, Bob.
Re: Managing mailboxes with fixed prefix
Hi, * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05/28/02 04:41:37 CEST] wrote: I am new to mutt. Coming from Win/Eudora, I hope you can imagine it's quite a transition. Still I can see why so many people are enthusiastic about this application. For good reasons... I have a question that I hope is easy to solve for experienced users. In .muttrc I have: mailboxes +IN-foobarA +IN-foobarB and also: mbox-hook =IN-foorbarA =foobarA etc. Now for every new mailbox I want to use, I need to edit .muttrc in at least two locations. Is it possible, given the naming conventions, to have only one entry for mailboxes and only one line with mbox-hook. You can use backticks to configure mutt by commands. Given that, use something like: mailboxes `ls -d ~/.mutt/IN.*` and a short shell script which will do the mbox-hooks. Cheers, Rocco.
