Re: NuBe: upgrade question
First I did which mutt and found it was in /usr/bin. So I figured when running the Mutt 1.4 configure script, that I needed --prefix=/usr/bin. So I ran the script and then as root did 'make install'. This, however reported an error in that it wanted to create a directory called man. you need --prefix=/usr It will then place binaries in /usr/bin and man pages in /usr/man/etc... -Mike Arrison
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Thanks. That did the trick. Kevin - Forwarded message from Mike Arrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 12:04:07 -0400 From: Mike Arrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: NuBe: upgrade question To: Mutt Users [EMAIL PROTECTED] First I did which mutt and found it was in /usr/bin. So I figured when running the Mutt 1.4 configure script, that I needed --prefix=/usr/bin. So I ran the script and then as root did 'make install'. This, however reported an error in that it wanted to create a directory called man. you need --prefix=/usr It will then place binaries in /usr/bin and man pages in /usr/man/etc... -Mike Arrison - End forwarded message - --
Re: NuBe: upgrade question
First I did which mutt and found it was in /usr/bin. So I figured when running the Mutt 1.4 configure script, that I needed --prefix=/usr/bin. So I ran the script and then as root did 'make install'. This, however reported an error in that it wanted to create a directory called man. you need --prefix=/usr It will then place binaries in /usr/bin and man pages in /usr/man/etc... -Mike Arrison - - End forwarded message - - -- -- End of mutt-users-digest V1 #1187 *
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Kevin -- Wow. TOFU, forwarding attribution in a reply context, mangling the Subject: line with brackets, and losing the References: headers -- all in one post! Ouch! If you need help to come up to speed and lose your Outlook-ly ways, please let us know. After all, I wouldn't want to lose my he-who-pisses-off-Sven-the-most title, you know :-) :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg28678/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Wow Wow. I see that I've a lot to learn. I'm really liking Mutt, but in all honesty it's a lot of work to put everything together. Ultimately that flexibility is the beauty of Mutt, but to get started is a steep learning curve, especially if you are relatively new to Linux, and even newer to the command line. In the last 36 hrs since I've started the switch from KMail to Mutt, I've had to come to grips with vim, sendmail, fetchmail and mutt. And from what I can tell, I need to get procmail going too. Well, at least I'm having fun, and with some more studying, reading and the occasional lamer question to this group, I'll get it figured out. Thanks, Kevin PS: was the format of this reply even slightly better? :-) On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 12:11:08PM -0500, David T-G wrote: Kevin -- Wow. TOFU, forwarding attribution in a reply context, mangling the Subject: line with brackets, and losing the References: headers -- all in one post! Ouch! If you need help to come up to speed and lose your Outlook-ly ways, please let us know. After all, I wouldn't want to lose my he-who-pisses-off-Sven-the-most title, you know :-) :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! --
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Kevin -- ...and then Kevin Coyner said... % % Wow Wow. I see that I've a lot to learn. We all do. Don't worry; it'll come! % % I'm really liking Mutt, but in all honesty it's a lot That's good! % of work to put everything together. Ultimately that That's understood. % flexibility is the beauty of Mutt, but to get started % is a steep learning curve, especially if you are % relatively new to Linux, and even newer to the command I'm glad that you realize why that's the case and that it really is a Good Thing in the long run; some people just don't get it. % line. In the last 36 hrs since I've started the switch % from KMail to Mutt, I've had to come to grips with % vim, sendmail, fetchmail and mutt. And from what I can What's done is done, and that's all great, but if you find yourself having to muck with sendmail a lot then, since you fetch your mail and I thus hypothesize that you might be able also just smartrelay your mail back out, you might enjoy something lightweight like ssmtp. % tell, I need to get procmail going too. You really want to :-) There are alternatives, such as maildrop, but that's the whole point: you pick which ever tool fits your needs best in the long application chain you're building. % % Well, at least I'm having fun, and with some more Good! % studying, reading and the occasional lamer question to % this group, I'll get it figured out. Hey, everybody gets a few for free :-) % % Thanks, Kevin % % PS: was the format of this reply even slightly better? :-) Indeed it was. The Subject: line wasn't mangled and the threading worked. Now we'll have to work on your quoting :-) HTH HAND , again, welcome! :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg28680/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Hi, * Kevin Coyner [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-06-06 19:33]: I'm really liking Mutt, but in all honesty it's a lot of work to put everything together. You're right here. I think I needed two weeks to get everything together. Ultimately that flexibility is the beauty of Mutt, but to get started is a steep learning curve, especially if you are relatively new to Linux, and even newer to the command line. Just take your time. Everyone who wants to learn is welcome. It's certainly worth the effort. In the last 36 hrs since I've started the switch from KMail to Mutt, I've had to come to grips with vim, sendmail, fetchmail and mutt. And from what I can tell, I need to get procmail going too. I recommend Maildrop, the syntax is much easier. PS: was the format of this reply even slightly better? :-) Slightly, but the most visible thing is still here: It makes no sense to write the answer before the question. Either you refer to some text; then put your answer right behind it. Or you add something to a thread, but don't relate to any mail in particular; then just write what you want to write, Mutt will include references to the other mails. Thorsten -- Is there a suspect in your family? - Contact the Ministry of Information.
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Since I'm just getting started and haven't invested a huge amount of time, effort and config files yet, what application chain would you recommend? At this point it won't be hard for me to make major changes since I'm not set in my ways nor have any predispositions. Right now I'm headed towards: mutt, sendmail, fetchmail and procmail. But I'm selecting these for no particular reason other than they seem standard and common. What might be a better setup (with 'better' meaning having more tools yet less complexity!)? Thanks again, Kevin On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 12:40:44PM -0500, David T-G wrote: Kevin -- ...and then Kevin Coyner said... % % Wow Wow. I see that I've a lot to learn. We all do. Don't worry; it'll come! % % I'm really liking Mutt, but in all honesty it's a lot
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Kevin, et al -- ...and then Kevin Coyner said... % % Since I'm just getting started and haven't invested % a huge amount of time, effort and config files yet, what % application chain would you recommend? At this point Heh. You'll find that you'll get a different answer from everyone you ask, so beware :-) Note to everyone else: I have interest in a religious war, but I'm too lazy to caveat my comments below. % it won't be hard for me to make major changes since I'm % not set in my ways nor have any predispositions. Good plans. You can even play a bit with lots of things and come to your own conclusions! % % Right now I'm headed towards: mutt, sendmail, fetchmail % and procmail. But I'm selecting these for no particular % reason other than they seem standard and common. I've never liked sendmail and happily use qmail, but Dan Bernstein's software -- while robust, powerful, small, and secure -- isn't always the easiest to install or manage. Other options include exim and Postfix, and all have their zealots on this list. I'm not really advanced enough to consider myself a qmail zealot; I just use the stuff. Then there are ssmtp and friends for doing ultra-simple relaying through a smarthost; I haven't kept track of them but I know that many are listed in the archives; starting with ssmtp will no doubt turn up a few as well as give some hints for good search strings. I don't pop, and so I can't provide any opinion, but I've heard good things about fetchmail. If I were starting over I'd look at maildrop just because those who use it keep going on and on about the simplicity of the grammar. I don't know if it's any more or less powerful than procmail, but it sure sounds easier. % % What might be a better setup (with 'better' meaning % having more tools yet less complexity!)? I can't think of any more tools you really need; you have something to read your mail, send your mail, get your mail, and filter your mail; that pretty much covers it. You might also be interested in SpamAssassin, an excellent spam-processing tool, and TMDA, a tool to mangle your address and then manage replies to those addresses. Let's see, here... The perl module Mail::Audit is in there somewhere, too; I think it's a filter. Archives :-) % % Thanks again, Kevin HTH HAND P.S. -- Do you note that I reply to your text as I go rather than sticking it all up at the top? That's what I mean about quoting style... :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg28686/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Kevin -- ...and then David T-G said... % ... % I can't think of any more tools you really need; you have something to % read your mail, send your mail, get your mail, and filter your mail; that Oh, yeah. You've already started an address book discussion elsewhere. Another interesting tool is lbdb, the little brother database. It can pull in addresses from lots of different sources, and it can capture all addresses it sees as mail comes in, too. % HTH HAND again :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg28687/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Hi, * David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-06-06 20:04]: Let's see, here... The perl module Mail::Audit is in there somewhere, too; I think it's a filter. Archives :-) This is a powerful filter if you know Perl. I wouldn't recommend it if you don't. Thorsten -- When the government fears the people, it is liberty. When the people fear the government, it is tyranny. - Thomas Paine
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Kevin Coyner said: Since I'm just getting started and haven't invested a huge amount of time, effort and config files yet, what application chain would you recommend? At this point it won't be hard for me to make major changes since I'm not set in my ways nor have any predispositions. Right now I'm headed towards: mutt, sendmail, fetchmail and procmail. But I'm selecting these for no particular reason other than they seem standard and common. What might be a better setup (with 'better' meaning having more tools yet less complexity!)? mutt is good -- but on this list, did you expect any disagreement? sendmail is the most complex MUA. I highly recommend any of the big three alternatives: qmail, Postfix, and exim. If you use Debian Linux, exim is your default and extremely easy to setup. No matter what OS you use, if qmail is your choice, please install it from source and using the www.lifewithqmail.org guide. getmail is simpler than fetchmail, but not as powerful. maildrop has a simpler configuration language than procmail, but is again not quite as powerful. The basics - duplicate elimination, filtering mail through SpamAssassin, sorting mail into folders, dropping idiots you never want to hear from again - can be done in a less arcane way in maildrop. -dsr-
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On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 11:58:18AM -0400, Kevin wrote: So here's my question (at long last!): Should I uninstall the Mutt 1.2.5 RPM, and then just do a default install of Mutt 1.4? I've already been using Mutt and have mail folders, etc that I don't want to lose. it may be too late but i would recommend you remove the old rpm as there are a number of things that will hang around and might mislead you. the manual comes to mind. also, if you are fairly new to linux and the manual build process, there are precompiled version of mutt in rpm format, links can be found from mutt.org somewhere. that being said, if you want to, i encourage building of stuff from scratch as a learning process. be advised, if you have installed the 1.4 mutt you compiled and then remove the rpm, you will likely remove your 1.4 executable but you should be able to go back into your build dir and do another make install to put your new 1.4 mutt back. I know, I know, this is a newbie question and I should probably just do it and learn, but I've got a lot of mail and no time right now to spend trying to recover, hence this question and request for hand holding. yuck, clamy palms ;-) -- Peter Abplanalp Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP: pgp.mit.edu msg28690/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Hi, * -dsr- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-06-06 20:34]: maildrop has a simpler configuration language than procmail, but is again not quite as powerful. Since I am one of the most vocal Supporters of Maildrop, I would be interested to hear some examples where Procmail can do more. (Background: I used Procmail for a few years, then went looking for an alternative. I found Maildrop, liked it, but found Mail::Audit much more powerful, so I never used Maildrop.) Thorsten -- The history of Liberty is a history of the limitation of government power. - Woodrow Wilson
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Thorsten Haude said: * -dsr- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-06-06 20:34]: maildrop has a simpler configuration language than procmail, but is again not quite as powerful. Since I am one of the most vocal Supporters of Maildrop, I would be interested to hear some examples where Procmail can do more. (Background: I used Procmail for a few years, then went looking for an alternative. I found Maildrop, liked it, but found Mail::Audit much more powerful, so I never used Maildrop.) ...whereas I use procmail at work and maildrop at home. The primary example of procmail's power is the ability to create, call and distribute modules. If it were only a bit more powerful, one could managed named functions and procedures, which would be nice, but at that point, one might as well go to Mail::Audit and have all of Perl at your command. -dsr-
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Hi, * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-06-06 21:54]: Thorsten Haude said: * -dsr- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-06-06 20:34]: maildrop has a simpler configuration language than procmail, but is again not quite as powerful. Since I am one of the most vocal Supporters of Maildrop, I would be interested to hear some examples where Procmail can do more. The primary example of procmail's power is the ability to create, call and distribute modules. I never heard of these modules, neither has my manpage. Are you talking about the wide range of Procmail rules you can find in the wild? (Certainly more than Maildrop rules.) Thorsten -- When the government fears the people, it is liberty. When the people fear the government, it is tyranny. - Thomas Paine
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Hi, * Thorsten Haude [2002-06-07 23:20:42 CEST] wrote: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-06-06 21:54]: The primary example of procmail's power is the ability to create, call and distribute modules. I never heard of these modules, neither has my manpage. Are you talking about the wide range of Procmail rules you can find in the wild? (Certainly more than Maildrop rules.) I think he's talking about the possibility to exluce certain syntax elements into other files, say ``modules''. But, I've had a quick look at Mail::Audit any maybe I'll spend some time on it. This isn't exactly the right place to discuss, but I heavliy rely on the cloning feature of procmail. The introduction to Mail::Audit I've read doesn't say anything about this one but Mail::Audit would stop after I take an action on a mail (sure, I could use multiple Mail::Audit filters to deliver to, but...). Is that possible? Cheers, Rocco
