Re: Group replying: set To: instead of Cc:

2014-10-18 Thread Elias Diem
On 2014-10-13,  Derek Martin wrote:

  - edit_headers

This is what I do now to solve my problem.

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Re: Group replying: set To: instead of Cc:

2014-10-16 Thread Elias Diem
Hi Chris

On 2014-10-16,  Chris Bannister wrote:

 Oooops, sorry, I meant shift-l, i.e: L

Ok ;-)

No it doesn't. See my previous post.

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Re: Group replying: set To: instead of Cc:

2014-10-15 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 06:01:24PM +0200, Elias Diem wrote:
 Hi Chris
 
 On 2014-10-14,  Chris Bannister wrote:
 
  try CTRL-L
  Does it do what you want?
 
 Hmmm. From the manual, CTRL-L is used to refresh the screen. 
 What do I miss here?

Oooops, sorry, I meant shift-l, i.e: L

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Re: Group replying: set To: instead of Cc:

2014-10-14 Thread Elias Diem
Hi there

On 2014-10-13,  Derek Martin wrote:

 I think your question is a little vague to get good answers snip/

Yes, this is it.

So let me precise it. I don't talk about mailing lists but 
messages that come from one person to many.

Suppose I've got the following simplified header where 'ME' 
is my address:

header
From: A
To: B, ME
/header

Now I'd like to reply to A and B and I want those addresses 
to be both in the To: field. The new header would look 
something like this:

header
From: ME
To: A, B
/header

At the moment when I press 'g' to group-reply, the header 
looks like:

header
From: ME
To: A
Cc: B
/header

I hope this helps clarify my problem.

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Re: Group replying: set To: instead of Cc:

2014-10-14 Thread Elias Diem
Hi Chris

On 2014-10-14,  Chris Bannister wrote:

 try CTRL-L
 Does it do what you want?

Hmmm. From the manual, CTRL-L is used to refresh the screen. 
What do I miss here?

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Re: Group replying: set To: instead of Cc:

2014-10-14 Thread Derek Martin
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 05:59:13PM +0200, Elias Diem wrote:
 So let me precise it. I don't talk about mailing lists but 
 messages that come from one person to many.
[...]
 Now I'd like to reply to A and B and I want those addresses 
 to be both in the To: field. The new header would look 
 something like this:
 
 header
 From: ME
 To: A, B
 /header

Oddly enough, I just did a little testing, and sometimes I get the
behavior you want, but sometimes I get the other behavior.  I suspect
this may have something to do with handling alternates, but I would
really need to trace through the code to see what's going on here.

That said, I believe the intended behavior is to put only the To
addresses in the To: field, and everything else in the Cc: field.  The
difference between To: and Cc: is basically that if the author puts
you in the To: field, the author expects that you have some action to
take (including replying), whereas Cc: is for keeping people in the
loop who are not intended to take any action.

  
http://lifehacker.com/5990422/know-the-difference-between-to-and-cc-in-an-email

I believe Mutt tries to preserve the sense of this conveyed in the
original e-mail you are replying to.  And therefore, if you want to
change it, you are going to have to make a conscious decision to do
so; usually you're going to have to do that manually.

I think this is the Right Thing™.

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Re: Group replying: set To: instead of Cc:

2014-10-14 Thread Elias Diem
Hi Derek

On 2014-10-14,  Derek Martin wrote:

 That said, I believe the intended behavior is to put only the To
 addresses in the To: field, and everything else in the Cc: field.  The
 difference between To: and Cc: is basically that if the author puts
 you in the To: field, the author expects that you have some action to
 take (including replying), whereas Cc: is for keeping people in the
 loop who are not intended to take any action.

This makes sense. Nevertheless I often want the behaviour I 
described because all recipients ``have to take action''.

 I believe Mutt tries to preserve the sense of this conveyed in the
 original e-mail you are replying to.  And therefore, if you want to
 change it, you are going to have to make a conscious decision to do
 so; usually you're going to have to do that manually.

So I will write a macro that does this.

Thanks.

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Group replying: set To: instead of Cc:

2014-10-13 Thread Elias Diem
Hi all

I often group reply to messages. I'd like to set the To: 
field with the reply addresses instead of the Cc: field. Is 
this possible? I didn't find anything on the list archive.

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Re: Group replying: set To: instead of Cc:

2014-10-13 Thread stargrave
Greetings!

*** Elias Diem li...@webconect.ch [2014-10-13 21:24]:
I often group reply to messages. I'd like to set the To: 
field with the reply addresses instead of the Cc: field. Is 
this possible? I didn't find anything on the list archive.
I think that article is good for explaining of preferred behaviour
To/Cc/Reply-To headers for maillists: http://cr.yp.to/proto/replyto.html
Also this article is important and related too: 
http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

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Re: Group replying: set To: instead of Cc:

2014-10-13 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 07:20:36PM +0200, Elias Diem wrote:
 I often group reply to messages. I'd like to set the To: 
 field with the reply addresses instead of the Cc: field. Is 
 this possible? I didn't find anything on the list archive.

I think your question is a little vague to get good answers (though
Sergey's response is a good start).  You could get different answers,
based on:

 - reply to mailing list vs. group of individuals
 - whether or not reply-to is set on the original
 - How the recipient headers were originally set
 - Possibly other things in the headers

To me it sounds like you are talking about replying to a mailing list,
but in any case Mutt has a bunch of settings that control the behavior
you're looking for.  They (may) include:

 - reply_to
 - ignore_list_reply_to
 - metoo
 - alternates
 - ask_cc
 - ask_bcc
 - edit_headers

There may be others too.

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Re: Group replying: set To: instead of Cc:

2014-10-13 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 07:20:36PM +0200, Elias Diem wrote:
 Hi all
 
 I often group reply to messages. I'd like to set the To: 
 field with the reply addresses instead of the Cc: field. Is 
 this possible? I didn't find anything on the list archive.

try CTRL-L
Does it do what you want?

-- 
If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing. --- Malcolm X