Re: can not get mail from mail list which are send by myself
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 05:56:15PM +, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2013-01-10, Jim Graham wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 10:57:03AM -0500, Mark H. Wood wrote: > >> On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 01:59:22PM -0600, Jim Graham wrote: > >> [snip] > >> > Btw, port 587 is one of those that I said are used for authentication, > >> > as opposed to port 25 which is UNauthenticated. > >> > >> See the SMTP AUTH verb. Anything you can do on those oddball ports, > > [lots of additional info deleted for brevity] > > > > Thanks. I only went by what I read in comments in /etc/sendmail.cf . > > If you keep looking at sendmail "cf" files you'll go blind... I think you mean the new version's files ... those, IMHO, are much worse. Or, at least, they used to be. Now they're all impossible. A) it's been too long, and B) chemobrain (those who know what that is know why). Later, --jim -- THE SCORE: ME: 2 CANCER: 0 73 DE N5IAL (/4) | "> There it was, right in the title bar: spooky1...@gmail.com | > Microsoft Operations POS." < Running Mac OS X Lion > | ICBM / Hurricane: | "Never before has a TLA been so appropriately 30.44406N 86.59909W| mis-parsed." (alt.sysadmin.recovery)
Re: can not get mail from mail list which are send by myself
On 2013-01-10, Jim Graham wrote: > On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 10:57:03AM -0500, Mark H. Wood wrote: >> On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 01:59:22PM -0600, Jim Graham wrote: >> [snip] >> > Btw, port 587 is one of those that I said are used for authentication, >> > as opposed to port 25 which is UNauthenticated. >> >> See the SMTP AUTH verb. Anything you can do on those oddball ports, > [lots of additional info deleted for brevity] > > Thanks. I only went by what I read in comments in /etc/sendmail.cf . If you keep looking at sendmail "cf" files you'll go blind... -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! ... bleakness at ... desolation ... plastic gmail.comforks ...
Re: can not get mail from mail list which are send by myself
On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 10:57:03AM -0500, Mark H. Wood wrote: > On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 01:59:22PM -0600, Jim Graham wrote: > [snip] > > Btw, port 587 is one of those that I said are used for authentication, > > as opposed to port 25 which is UNauthenticated. > > See the SMTP AUTH verb. Anything you can do on those oddball ports, [lots of additional info deleted for brevity] Thanks. I only went by what I read in comments in /etc/sendmail.cf . Later, --jim -- THE SCORE: ME: 2 CANCER: 0 73 DE N5IAL (/4)MiSTie #49997 < Running Mac OS X Lion > spooky1...@gmail.com ICBM/Hurricane: 30.44406N 86.59909W "sigh, once upon a time T-1 was fast" --seen in alt.sysadmin.net-abuse.email
Re: can not get mail from mail list which are send by myself
On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 01:59:22PM -0600, Jim Graham wrote: [snip] > Btw, port 587 is one of those that I said are used for authentication, > as opposed to port 25 which is UNauthenticated. See the SMTP AUTH verb. Anything you can do on those oddball ports, you can do on port 25. An SMTP host will negotiate authentication, message integrity, and privacy. Mind, some of them are bady set up and will always negotiate to "none of those, take it or leave it". :-P 465 is SMTP-in-TLS. In general X-in-TLS is deprecated; see "upward negotiation" and in particular the SMTP STARTTLS verb. 587 is SMTP on another port, called "submission", and I have no idea why anyone thought it was necessary. It's just a port on which the MTA speaks SMTP but is unwilling to serve until AUTH has been negotiated. 25 could have been configured the same way. RFC 6409 ยง9 sets forth arguments for separating MTA and MSA but I find those arguments very weak. -- Mark H. Wood, Lead System Programmer mw...@iupui.edu There's an app for that: your browser pgpQ0JImLyB5U.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: can not get mail from mail list which are send by myself
On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 03:05:17PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * Jim Graham [01-09-13 15:02]: > > > But you are not limited to port 25 for outgoing mail. Assign a higher > > > port, >1024. > > > > You mean a port like, say, port 587, which I have had configured for > no, > 1024, but was just thinking of those who have port 25 blocked by Oh, I see. I missed the last bit where you said that...or rather, the 2.5cm chunk of my occipital lobe[1] that became a cancer tumor and got cut out (along with two others) of my brain back in 2006 (cancer #1) missed that...and I saw what it told me was there (and missed what it said was not there). It happens, and all I can do is deal with it for the rest of my life Later, --jim [1] The occipital lobe processes vision information passed to it via the optic nerve. -- THE SCORE: ME: 2 CANCER: 0 73 DE N5IAL (/4)MiSTie #49997 < Running Mac OS X Lion > spooky1...@gmail.com ICBM/Hurricane: 30.44406N 86.59909W "'Wrong' is one of those concepts that depends on witnesses." --Catbert: Evil Director of Human Resources (Dilbert, 05Nov09)
Re: can not get mail from mail list which are send by myself
* Jim Graham [01-09-13 15:02]: > On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 12:42:42PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > > * Jim Graham [01-09-13 12:25]: > > > On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 11:54:57AM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > > > > * Alexander Gattin [01-09-13 11:23]: > > > > > On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 09:50:59AM -0500, Patrick > > > > > Shanahan wrote: > > > > > > > > that way 10 years ago. SMTP servers no longer accept users' mail at > > > > > port 25, but tend to do this at ports 465 and 587 instead. > > > > > > Wrong. > > > > Wrong? Was your statement, not mine. 465 is ssh and 587 for smtp > > No, I was saying "wrong" to the pwerson that said port 25 isn't used by > any system anymore, and who also made the mistake of thinking that port > 25 was a "unix thing" (or something to that effect). That person was NOT > me. sorry, one of us left attributes incorrect, but ... > > submission. Port 25 is still used/usable if not blocked/hijacked by your > > isp, and then you can use a upper/higher port. > > Yep, and that is what *I* said, too. > > > But you are not limited to port 25 for outgoing mail. Assign a higher > > port, >1024. > > You mean a port like, say, port 587, which I have had configured for > years? Again, I think you've gotten me confused with the other guy. > Btw, port 587 is one of those that I said are used for authentication, > as opposed to port 25 which is UNauthenticated. no, > 1024, but was just thinking of those who have port 25 blocked by their isp. > Yep, you definitely mixed me up with the other (or another) poster. we're good :^) -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.orgPhoto Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535@ http://linuxcounter.net
Re: can not get mail from mail list which are send by myself
On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 12:42:42PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * Jim Graham [01-09-13 12:25]: > > On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 11:54:57AM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > > > * Alexander Gattin [01-09-13 11:23]: > > > > On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 09:50:59AM -0500, Patrick > > > > Shanahan wrote: > > > > > > that way 10 years ago. SMTP servers no longer accept users' mail at > > > > port 25, but tend to do this at ports 465 and 587 instead. > > > > Wrong. > > Wrong? Was your statement, not mine. 465 is ssh and 587 for smtp No, I was saying "wrong" to the pwerson that said port 25 isn't used by any system anymore, and who also made the mistake of thinking that port 25 was a "unix thing" (or something to that effect). That person was NOT me. > submission. Port 25 is still used/usable if not blocked/hijacked by your > isp, and then you can use a upper/higher port. Yep, and that is what *I* said, too. > But you are not limited to port 25 for outgoing mail. Assign a higher > port, >1024. You mean a port like, say, port 587, which I have had configured for years? Again, I think you've gotten me confused with the other guy. Btw, port 587 is one of those that I said are used for authentication, as opposed to port 25 which is UNauthenticated. Yep, you definitely mixed me up with the other (or another) poster. Later, --jim -- THE SCORE: ME: 2 CANCER: 0 73 DE N5IAL (/4)MiSTie #49997 < Running Mac OS X Lion > spooky1...@gmail.com ICBM/Hurricane: 30.44406N 86.59909W Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
Re: can not get mail from mail list which are send by myself
* Alexander Gattin [01-09-13 13:46]: > On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 11:54:57AM -0500, Patrick > Shanahan wrote: > > no, not so. And I can do the same from windoz. It is nothing to do > > with *nix but with *configuration* of your mailing system. > > nope, what you describe is UNIX/ARPA mail, nothing to do with Windoze -- windoz utilizes the mailing methods that we in place when m$ decided to join the rest of the world, but they commonly disregard standards in order to maintain control of the boxes/users they have. > but there are certain problems, like your account/auth info hosted on > gmail/yahoo/whatever instead of the defaul mail forwarder on your ISP. My mail is not *hosted* on gmail/yahoo. I do have accounts there but only use their services to receive mail, never to post unless using their web service as previously explained. > And gmail accepting your mail submitted via your ISP is big bloody hole, > and we both know that. What planet are we on. My mail is forwarded by my isp as routed in postfix with any "From:Addr" I choose, which accomplishes nothing more than supplying a "reply-to" address. The only place to see the *true* sending addr is the mail envelope. GMail receives my posts from what-ever list involved as any other post. It is *not* forwarding my mail, I have routed my isp via postfix to do that. > > But it is a major pain to do your own smtp from a non-dedicated > > domain. > > Almost everyone is using msmtp instead of sendmail/qmail/exim/postfix > these days. Far out. Most I know use postfix and a few qmail/exim. > > afa port 25, some isp's block port 25 service, but this is easily > > worked around. > > Wrong -- outgoing port 25 is blocked here (EV-DO) for everyone, but I > didn't check it for my other [DOCSIS] ISP. The only thing "Wrong" is your allegation. Port 25 is not blocked for me and I didn't say it was open for everyone, but it is for me. And port 25 is still commonly used for mail. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.orgPhoto Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535@ http://linuxcounter.net
Re: can not get mail from mail list which are send by myself
On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 11:54:57AM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > no, not so. And I can do the same from windoz. > It is nothing to do with *nix but with > *configuration* of your mailing system. nope, what you describe is UNIX/ARPA mail, nothing to do with Windoze -- but there are certain problems, like your account/auth info hosted on gmail/yahoo/whatever instead of the defaul mail forwarder on your ISP. And gmail accepting your mail submitted via your ISP is big bloody hole, and we both know that. > But it is a major pain to do your own smtp from > a non-dedicated domain. Almost everyone is using msmtp instead of sendmail/qmail/exim/postfix these days. > afa port 25, some isp's block port 25 service, > but this is easily worked around. Wrong -- outgoing port 25 is blocked here (EV-DO) for everyone, but I didn't check it for my other [DOCSIS] ISP. -- With best regards, xrgtn signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: can not get mail from mail list which are send by myself
* Jim Graham [01-09-13 12:25]: > On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 11:54:57AM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > > * Alexander Gattin [01-09-13 11:23]: > > > On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 09:50:59AM -0500, Patrick > > > Shanahan wrote: > > > > that way 10 years ago. SMTP servers no longer accept users' mail at > > > port 25, but tend to do this at ports 465 and 587 instead. > > Wrong. Wrong? Was your statement, not mine. 465 is ssh and 587 for smtp submission. Port 25 is still used/usable if not blocked/hijacked by your isp, and then you can use a upper/higher port. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_Mail_Transfer_Protocol Simple Mail Transfer Protocol (SMTP) is an Internet standard for electronic mail (e-mail) transmission across Internet Protocol (IP) networks. SMTP was first defined by RFC 821 (1982, eventually declared STD 10),[1] and last updated by RFC 5321 (2008)[2] which includes the Extended SMTP (ESMTP) additions, and is the protocol in widespread use today. SMTP uses TCP port 25. The protocol for new submissions (MSA) is effectively the same as SMTP, but it uses port 587 instead. SMTP connections secured by SSL are known by the shorthand SMTPS, though SMTPS is not a protocol in its own right. > > no, not so. And I can do the same from windoz. It is nothing to do with > > *nix but with *configuration* of your mailing system. > > To expand on that a bit further, *IF* I remember correctly, I saw a > comment in sendmail.cf on my old FreeBSD system stating that these ports > are typically used for SMTP with authentication. Port 25 can still be > used, if not blocked, etc., but lack of authentication opens the doors to > spamvermin if exposed to the outside network (beyond the user's LAN). > > > afa port 25, some isp's block port 25 > > Mine (cox.net) doesn't block it, as such...they hijack it and re-direct > it to their own SMTP server. At least, they did back when I was trying > to figure out why my e-mails to Android development related lists were > not authenticating properly with gmail's SMTP servers, and thus were > being dropped into /dev/null at the lists' googlegroups server. But you are not limited to port 25 for outgoing mail. Assign a higher port, >1024. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.orgPhoto Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535@ http://linuxcounter.net
Re: can not get mail from mail list which are send by myself
On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 11:54:57AM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * Alexander Gattin [01-09-13 11:23]: > > On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 09:50:59AM -0500, Patrick > > Shanahan wrote: > > that way 10 years ago. SMTP servers no longer accept users' mail at > > port 25, but tend to do this at ports 465 and 587 instead. Wrong. > no, not so. And I can do the same from windoz. It is nothing to do with > *nix but with *configuration* of your mailing system. To expand on that a bit further, *IF* I remember correctly, I saw a comment in sendmail.cf on my old FreeBSD system stating that these ports are typically used for SMTP with authentication. Port 25 can still be used, if not blocked, etc., but lack of authentication opens the doors to spamvermin if exposed to the outside network (beyond the user's LAN). > afa port 25, some isp's block port 25 Mine (cox.net) doesn't block it, as such...they hijack it and re-direct it to their own SMTP server. At least, they did back when I was trying to figure out why my e-mails to Android development related lists were not authenticating properly with gmail's SMTP servers, and thus were being dropped into /dev/null at the lists' googlegroups server. Later, --jim -- THE SCORE: ME: 2 CANCER: 0 73 DE N5IAL (/4) | "> There it was, right in the title bar: spooky1...@gmail.com | > Microsoft Operations POS." < Running Mac OS X Lion > | ICBM / Hurricane: | "Never before has a TLA been so appropriately 30.44406N 86.59909W| mis-parsed." (alt.sysadmin.recovery)
Re: can not get mail from mail list which are send by myself
On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 05:33:02PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * Jim Graham [01-08-13 13:38]: > [...] > > Just be advised, this will result in SPF=NEUTRAL or SPF=FAIL (usually > > neutral, from what I've seen). Depending on the settings for the list > > you're on (as well as what kind of server the list is running on), it > > may be blocking e-mail from any source that does not show SPF=PASS. > > > > Unless I've missed some option to allow unauthenticated, yet still > > validated, e-mail using gmail, you must authenticate correctly on > > gmail to get SPF=PASS. > > I am on > 20 lists and the only ones I have a problem with are yahoo based > and not worth the bother to correct. I can still read them and if I need > to post, can stoop to yahoo's web interface (twice in the last two years). Wrong. It's on at least some e-mail lists on googlegroups, too. I know---I'm on several of them (Android developer type lists). No SPF=PASS, and your posts go off into oblivion...not rejected, but not posted to the list, either, unless you use the web interface (which, as usual for web-based forum interfaces, sucks royally). I can confirm that it is NOT true for all googlegroups lists, however. I own one, and had a second one before that for a local club list. I shut the local club list down, however, when after a year or so, half of the club hadn't signed on (and just posted to the entire club by individual e-mail addresses), and the other half posted to the club AND each individual e-mail address. I decided that one was a waste of space and CANXd it. Neither of these were set (however it's set) to require SPF=PASS. Point is, just because you don't see the problem, doesn't mean it isn't there. That is why I posted the warning, and along that said that the list(s) in question "may be blocking" Obviously not all do that, but some do. If someone runs into that, IMHO, it's worth knowing ahead of time what's going wrong if/when it does so, wouldn't you agree? > One could set a my_hdr Bcc: based on send-hook, folder-hook, send2-hook or > reply-hook. But you still would not see the msg returning via the mailing > list software. Yeah, I tried thatI obviously got the syntax wrong, though, and gave up on it. If someone would please post an example, I'd appreciate it. My attempts either resulted in Bcc with my address for EVERY e-mail or threw an error about .muttrc having incorrect syntax. Later, --jim -- THE SCORE: ME: 2 CANCER: 0 73 DE N5IAL (/4)MiSTie #49997 < Running Mac OS X Lion > spooky1...@gmail.com ICBM/Hurricane: 30.44406N 86.59909W "sigh, once upon a time T-1 was fast" --seen in alt.sysadmin.net-abuse.email
Re: can not get mail from mail list which are send by myself
* Alexander Gattin [01-09-13 11:23]: > On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 09:50:59AM -0500, Patrick > Shanahan wrote: > > There is no *hack* but a legitimate mail configuration. > > It's a legitimate UNIX-way configuration, bit the world ceased to be > that way 10 years ago. SMTP servers no longer accept users' mail at > port 25, but tend to do this at ports 465 and 587 instead. no, not so. And I can do the same from windoz. It is nothing to do with *nix but with *configuration* of your mailing system. But it is a major pain to do your own smtp from a non-dedicated domain. afa port 25, some isp's block port 25 service, but this is easily worked around. > > It is a work-a-round for situation not to my liking but we do this > > constantly every day. > > Agreed, but: > > > I don't understand your comment "soon to be obsolete". > > this is a hole for spam and it will be plugged sooner or later, and you > will be required to supply some sort of auth token in order to be able > to send your "legitimate" email, thus back to "home base" again, i.e. > to braindamaged gmail SMTP server who alone can surely check whether you > are legitimate ptilopt...@gmail.com or not. I guess *anything* is *remotely* possible -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.orgPhoto Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535@ http://linuxcounter.net
Re: can not get mail from mail list which are send by myself
Hello, On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 09:50:59AM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > There is no *hack* but a legitimate mail > configuration. It's a legitimate UNIX-way configuration, bit the world ceased to be that way 10 years ago. SMTP servers no longer accept users' mail at port 25, but tend to do this at ports 465 and 587 instead. > It is a work-a-round for situation not to my > liking but we do this constantly every day. Agreed, but: > I don't understand your comment "soon to be > obsolete". this is a hole for spam and it will be plugged sooner or later, and you will be required to supply some sort of auth token in order to be able to send your "legitimate" email, thus back to "home base" again, i.e. to braindamaged gmail SMTP server who alone can surely check whether you are legitimate ptilopt...@gmail.com or not. -- With best regards, xrgtn signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: can not get mail from mail list which are send by myself
* Alexander Gattin [01-09-13 05:28]: > On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 08:04:05AM -0500, Patrick > Shanahan wrote: > > * horseriver [01-08-13 06:16]: > > > I can not receive mails which are sent by > > > myself to a mail list . > > > > Yes, gmail thinks returning mails *you* posted > > are duplicates. > > One among the reasons why I stopped using gmail. > > > If you want to see the list mail you post, use a > > different smtp agent, ie: your own isp, and use > > your gmail "From:" address, ie: > > "my_hdr From: horseriver " > > > > works for me... > > IMHO it's better to try to fix gmail problems > (e.g. report the bug to them) than to use the hack > soon to be obsolete. There is no *hack* but a legitimate mail configuration. It is a work-a-round for situation not to my liking but we do this constantly every day. I don't understand your comment "soon to be obsolete". -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.orgPhoto Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535@ http://linuxcounter.net
Re: can not get mail from mail list which are send by myself
* horseriver [2013-01-08 09:31:34 +0800]: > hi: > >I can not receive mails which are sent by myself to a mail list . > >somewhere wrong? > > thanks! > When I set up my Gmail account I went into the settings on the web interface and set up an address that I can send from. So I used my own domain address as a sending address. Gmail sent a validation email to confirm the address (usually a link is provided within the email) and I also set up mail forwarding to my own server, so I basically have all my mail sent to my mx server and respond from it, using my gmail account and others, as well as my own domain email. I think by setting up an address that you can send from in your gmail account, Gmail then accepts it as a valid address and so doesn't cause issues when sending out email using your gmail address in the From: header but being sent from another server. This option is kind-of like what Patrick suggested; i.e. using either your own local mta or sending through your ISP's smtp server. I might have misunderstood your problem but I think this might help. -- Primary Key: 4096R/1D31DC38 2011-12-03 Key Fingerprint: A4B9 E875 A18C 6E11 F46D B788 BEE6 1251 1D31 DC38
Re: can not get mail from mail list which are send by myself
Hello, On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 08:04:05AM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * horseriver [01-08-13 06:16]: > > I can not receive mails which are sent by > > myself to a mail list . > > Yes, gmail thinks returning mails *you* posted > are duplicates. One among the reasons why I stopped using gmail. > If you want to see the list mail you post, use a > different smtp agent, ie: your own isp, and use > your gmail "From:" address, ie: > "my_hdr From: horseriver " > > works for me... IMHO it's better to try to fix gmail problems (e.g. report the bug to them) than to use the hack soon to be obsolete. -- With best regards, xrgtn signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: can not get mail from mail list which are send by myself
* Jim Graham [01-08-13 13:38]: [...] > Just be advised, this will result in SPF=NEUTRAL or SPF=FAIL (usually > neutral, from what I've seen). Depending on the settings for the list > you're on (as well as what kind of server the list is running on), it > may be blocking e-mail from any source that does not show SPF=PASS. > > Unless I've missed some option to allow unauthenticated, yet still > validated, e-mail using gmail, you must authenticate correctly on > gmail to get SPF=PASS. I am on > 20 lists and the only ones I have a problem with are yahoo based and not worth the bother to correct. I can still read them and if I need to post, can stoop to yahoo's web interface (twice in the last two years). One could set a my_hdr Bcc: based on send-hook, folder-hook, send2-hook or reply-hook. But you still would not see the msg returning via the mailing list software. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.orgPhoto Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535@ http://linuxcounter.net
Re: can not get mail from mail list which are send by myself
On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 08:04:05AM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * horseriver [01-08-13 06:16]: > >I can not receive mails which are sent by myself to a mail list . > If you want to see the list mail you post, use a different smtp agent, > ie: your own isp, and use your gmail "From:" address, ie: Just be advised, this will result in SPF=NEUTRAL or SPF=FAIL (usually neutral, from what I've seen). Depending on the settings for the list you're on (as well as what kind of server the list is running on), it may be blocking e-mail from any source that does not show SPF=PASS. Unless I've missed some option to allow unauthenticated, yet still validated, e-mail using gmail, you must authenticate correctly on gmail to get SPF=PASS. If it's not an issue with lists you're on, you don't need to worry about it. If it is, just Bcc yourself on posts to lists. Now, what *I* would like ot know is, is there a way to add said Bcc header, but ONLY for lists? Later, --jim -- THE SCORE: ME: 2 CANCER: 0 73 DE N5IAL (/4) ICBM/Hurr.: 30.44406N 86.59909W || < Running Mac OS X Lion > Seen in alt.sysadmin.recovery: "Priceless; that's better than telling him to use the Read Manual command with the Real Fast option."
Re: can not get mail from mail list which are send by myself
* horseriver [01-08-13 06:16]: > hi: > >I can not receive mails which are sent by myself to a mail list . > >somewhere wrong? Yes, gmail thinks returning mails *you* posted are duplicates. If you want to see the list mail you post, use a different smtp agent, ie: your own isp, and use your gmail "From:" address, ie: "my_hdr From: horseriver " works for me... -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.orgPhoto Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535@ http://linuxcounter.net
can not get mail from mail list which are send by myself
hi: I can not receive mails which are sent by myself to a mail list . somewhere wrong? thanks!
