Re: unbind (all) key bindings
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 01:41:55PM +, Martin Orwin wrote:
I understand your concerns about this but I don't think you'll find it a
problem in the long run. I occasionally hit the wrong key and there is
always a way of undoing what I've done (aside from saying 'no' when Mutt
actually asks me if I really want to do something, which personally I like).
Shift-W let's me unclear a flag I've accidentally set and ctrl-c ('do you
want to exit mutt?') gets me out of any other situation (just remember to
type n(o) when it asks). There will be other more sophisticated ways of
getting out of certain situations, but for me these two work and are enough.
As to all the other key-bound functions, it doesn't matter that you don't use
them. It's a big tool box and over the time I've used Mutt I've learned to
use some of the tools when I've felt the need to do something (limit patterns
for example). I think you might be throwing the baby out with the bathwater
if you disable all the keybindings as then you may need to work out how to
reinstate some function or other when you feel the need to use it.
I'd say stick with Mutt as it is, I did, and in a few weeks time I think
you'll find that the keybinding thing is a non-issue. Just my thoughts.
Whatever you choose to do, once you get used to it, it's the best email
client out there IMHO (apart from when I get those pesky complex html
messages and have to use the Gmail web interface!).
I notice you are using mutt as the MUA. How did you manage to screw up
this post so badly?
--
If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the
oppressing. --- Malcolm X
Re: unbind (all) key bindings
On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 01:31:14AM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 01:41:55PM +, Martin Orwin wrote:
I understand your concerns about this but I don't think you'll find it a
problem in the long run. I occasionally hit the wrong key and there is
always a way of undoing what I've done (aside from saying 'no' when Mutt
actually asks me if I really want to do something, which personally I
like). Shift-W let's me unclear a flag I've accidentally set and ctrl-c
('do you want to exit mutt?') gets me out of any other situation (just
remember to type n(o) when it asks). There will be other more
sophisticated ways of getting out of certain situations, but for me these
two work and are enough. As to all the other key-bound functions, it
doesn't matter that you don't use them. It's a big tool box and over the
time I've used Mutt I've learned to use some of the tools when I've felt
the need to do something (limit patterns for example). I think you might be
throwing the baby out with the bathwater if you disable all the keybindings
as then you may need to work out how to reinstate some function or other
when you feel the need to use it.
I'd say stick with Mutt as it is, I did, and in a few weeks time I think
you'll find that the keybinding thing is a non-issue. Just my thoughts.
Whatever you choose to do, once you get used to it, it's the best email
client out there IMHO (apart from when I get those pesky complex html
messages and have to use the Gmail web interface!).
I notice you are using mutt as the MUA. How did you manage to screw up
this post so badly?
I see my error. Apologies. I'm not sure how that happened.
Re: unbind (all) key bindings
* On 25 Nov 2013, Martin Vegter wrote: I would like to unbind all key bindings, so that I can explicitly define only those, that I am actually going to use. While googling, I have discovered that I am not the only one having this problem. There even seems to be a patch called unbind: http://home.uchicago.edu/~dgc/mutt/#unbind but only for version 1.4 and 1.5.1. I am using mutt version 1.5.21-6.2+deb7u1, so I am not sure if that would work. Hi Martin - I think the other responses on this thread are appropriate, and you should consider whether you really want to unbind everything. That said, as the author of the unbind patch that you cited: no, it won't work with a current mutt. It's very out of date. I took some time to update and improve the patch and you'll find the result here: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.mail.mutt.devel/21157 (For anyone familiar with the unbind saga and its intricacies, this patch finally does a real unbind, not a bind to noop.) -- David Champion • d...@bikeshed.us
Re: unbind (all) key bindings
On 2013-11-26 00:05, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Martin Vegter martin.veg...@aol.com [11-25-13 17:33]: as a new user, I feel intimidated by the many key bindings in Mutt. Not only do I see no chance of ever needing more than 5% of them, but I am afraid that by accidentally pressing some key, I will perform some action without knowing what happened. I have very simple requirements from my email client. I don't need two separate key binding for next-entry and next-undeleted, for example. I would like to unbind all key bindings, so that I can explicitly define only those, that I am actually going to use. While googling, I have discovered that I am not the only one having this problem. There even seems to be a patch called unbind: http://home.uchicago.edu/~dgc/mutt/#unbind but only for version 1.4 and 1.5.1. I am using mutt version 1.5.21-6.2+deb7u1, so I am not sure if that would work. Could somebody please advise, what would be the best way to do it? I would look at the help file in mutt and add to ~/.muttrc bind key /dev/null and then you would have a record of what you have changed and have a simple way to revert. not tested. I have found the following in the manual: bindindex j noop bindindex k noop the problem with this approach is, that I have to unbind every single key-binding explicitly. I was wondering whether there is a better solution
Re: unbind (all) key bindings
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:09:37AM +0100, Martin Vegter wrote: I have found the following in the manual: bindindex j noop bindindex k noop the problem with this approach is, that I have to unbind every single key-binding explicitly. It makes no sense to unbind them all, so in reality it is not a problem. I was wondering whether there is a better solution I'm wondering how you are actually going to use mutt at all. Is the problem you are trying to solve a real one? Have you been bitten by it yourself? You could set the quadoption to ask-yes or ask-no (depending on the action) so that a clumsy key press will bring up the dreaded Are you sure you really want to do what you have just asked me to do? dialog. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X
Re: unbind (all) key bindings
I understand your concerns about this but I don't think you'll find it a
problem in the long run. I occasionally hit the wrong key and there is always
a way of undoing what I've done (aside from saying 'no' when Mutt actually asks
me if I really want to do something, which personally I like). Shift-W let's
me unclear a flag I've accidentally set and ctrl-c ('do you want to exit
mutt?') gets me out of any other situation (just remember to type n(o) when it
asks). There will be other more sophisticated ways of getting out of certain
situations, but for me these two work and are enough. As to all the other
key-bound functions, it doesn't matter that you don't use them. It's a big
tool box and over the time I've used Mutt I've learned to use some of the tools
when I've felt the need to do something (limit patterns for example). I think
you might be throwing the baby out with the bathwater if you disable all the
keybindings as then you may need to work out how to reinstate some function or
other when you feel the need to use it.
I'd say stick with Mutt as it is, I did, and in a few weeks time I think you'll
find that the keybinding thing is a non-issue. Just my thoughts. Whatever you
choose to do, once you get used to it, it's the best email client out there
IMHO (apart from when I get those pesky complex html messages and have to use
the Gmail web interface!).
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 01:49:04AM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:09:37AM +0100, Martin Vegter wrote:
I have found the following in the manual:
bindindex j noop
bindindex k noop
the problem with this approach is, that I have to unbind every
single key-binding explicitly.
It makes no sense to unbind them all, so in reality it is not a
problem.
I was wondering whether there is a better solution
I'm wondering how you are actually going to use mutt at all.
Is the problem you are trying to solve a real one? Have you been bitten
by it yourself?
You could set the quadoption to ask-yes or ask-no (depending on the
action) so that a clumsy key press will bring up the dreaded Are you
sure you really want to do what you have just asked me to do? dialog.
--
If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the
oppressing. --- Malcolm X
--
Dr Martin Orwin
Senior Lecturer in Somali and Amharic
Associate Head of the Department of the Languages and Cultures of Africa
SOAS
Re: unbind (all) key bindings
Whatever you choose to do, once you get used to it, it's the best email client out there ... Of the various mail user agents I have investigated, only mutt and gnus offer good efficiency in the handling of a large volume of messages. Not coincidentally, neither mutt nor gnus makes use of the rodent. gnus possibly is more efficient than is mutt, but the configuration and the command structure of gnus is rather obscure. More importantly, if Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen -- the creator of gnus, and perhaps the only man who fully understands the package -- falls off the edge of the earth, the popularity of gnus may decline rapidly. In contrast, mutt enjoys considerable popularity and long has been installed by default by Debian. And popularity perhaps is the best guarantee against obsolescence. Thus it is that mutt appears to be the better option in the long term. RLH
unbind (all) key bindings
hello, as a new user, I feel intimidated by the many key bindings in Mutt. Not only do I see no chance of ever needing more than 5% of them, but I am afraid that by accidentally pressing some key, I will perform some action without knowing what happened. I have very simple requirements from my email client. I don't need two separate key binding for next-entry and next-undeleted, for example. I would like to unbind all key bindings, so that I can explicitly define only those, that I am actually going to use. While googling, I have discovered that I am not the only one having this problem. There even seems to be a patch called unbind: http://home.uchicago.edu/~dgc/mutt/#unbind but only for version 1.4 and 1.5.1. I am using mutt version 1.5.21-6.2+deb7u1, so I am not sure if that would work. Could somebody please advise, what would be the best way to do it?
Re: unbind (all) key bindings
* Martin Vegter martin.veg...@aol.com [11-25-13 17:33]: as a new user, I feel intimidated by the many key bindings in Mutt. Not only do I see no chance of ever needing more than 5% of them, but I am afraid that by accidentally pressing some key, I will perform some action without knowing what happened. I have very simple requirements from my email client. I don't need two separate key binding for next-entry and next-undeleted, for example. I would like to unbind all key bindings, so that I can explicitly define only those, that I am actually going to use. While googling, I have discovered that I am not the only one having this problem. There even seems to be a patch called unbind: http://home.uchicago.edu/~dgc/mutt/#unbind but only for version 1.4 and 1.5.1. I am using mutt version 1.5.21-6.2+deb7u1, so I am not sure if that would work. Could somebody please advise, what would be the best way to do it? I would look at the help file in mutt and add to ~/.muttrc bind key /dev/null and then you would have a record of what you have changed and have a simple way to revert. not tested. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.orgopenSUSE Community Memberfacebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.orgPhoto Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535@ http://linuxcounter.net
