Re: [MLO] What reason for only ONE text tag?

[MOK | MATSURU]

Dear MC,

Totally understand. the 2 keywords will be treated as 1 tag if we use the
"Filter" function.
So, don't use "filter". Use the Search function instead.

Try it and let me know how it is working for ya.

On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 15:32, Marcello Capucci 
wrote:

> Imagine you have several task, for example, that are accomunated by
> something.
> For example:
> - Paint the gate in the garden
> - Paint the kitchen wall
> Both task needs "varnish" and "brush"
> I'd like to apply tag #varnish and #brush to both task.
> So that If I need to check where I need (for example) a brush, I can
> quickly do that
> It's only an example.
> For this reason, it seems to me that limiting to a single tag per task is
> a mistake.
> I don't think MLO supports the ";" separator.
> If you write #varnish; #brush, for MLO is a single tag, not two
> I have been using MindManager for years (I know, it's a different software
> ...), which for example supports all the tags you want for each task, and
> it seems very useful: I can make dashboards that do not only concern
> deadlines, priorities, resources etc.
> Il giorno domenica 23 ottobre 2022 alle 18:48:01 UTC+2 Dwight ha scritto:
>
>> Folders could not substitute for tags because a task can only be in one
>> folder, tags tend to come in flocks.
>>
>> Flags could substitute but there is a downside. Tags can be very ad hoc,
>> arising in response to a transitory issue that soon fades. Whenever a new
>> tag is needed, one would need to go into the Manage Flags window and create
>> it. Some time later, one would need to go into the Manage Flags box again
>> to clean out unused flags. That last housekeeping is unlikely to happen
>> often, so it will get messy.
>>
>> What's wrong with the current implementation: you can use comma separated
>> tags but MLO does not know you are doing that. MLO has a great capability
>> add on the fly to the list of available tags and to remove tags when they
>> are unused. But if you change "tag1" to "tag1, tag2" MLO does not add tag2
>> to the list, it adds the entire string with two tags, which is not very
>> useful. Also, using search exposes you to the ambiguity where one item is a
>> substring of another unrelated item, like when you search for "%mail" and
>> you get "%mailbox" mixed in.
>>
>> I think that a change to text tag to allow multiple tags with MLO
>> recognizing them individually would be popular with people who use tags.
>>
>> _Dwight
>> On 10/22/2022 7:12 AM, 'Michael Emerald, CFA' via MyLifeOrganized wrote:
>>
>> I see your point, but have a different perspective on text tags.  I’m
>> guessing that you (correctly) mean that nowadays “tags” means you can affix
>> as many tags as you want to an item.  Of course you are correct.
>>
>>
>>
>> But the usage here, I feel, is rather not a tag as we know it, but rather
>> an additional text field, one which can be used for filtering. Furthermore,
>> unlike photos, web pages, etc. I can’t see a need where I’d say “Show me
>> all the tasks that involve ‘Tools of the Trade’.  For that, I’d use a
>> folder or flag.
>>
>>
>>
>> Again, your point is valid, but I wouldn’t recommend it for adoption.
>>
>>
>>
>> Take Care,
>>
>>
>>
>> *Michael Emerald, CFA*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Performance Business Design*
>>
>> Owner, Business Strategy Consultant
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* mylifeo...@googlegroups.com  *On
>> Behalf Of *MOK | MATSURU
>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 22, 2022 02:57
>> *To:* mylifeo...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [MLO] What reason for only ONE text tag?
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree that it is limited. but you can put more keywords in it.
>>
>> Then, use the search text tag function instead of the filter. This way
>> you will be able to find the task with multiple text tags.
>>
>> To differentiate text tags with task names, you can put in special
>> symbols like @ # ?$ ...etc so the search will include these symbols and
>> will not show the search result with the task name.
>>
>>
>>
>> hope this helps.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 at 14:30, Marcello Capucci 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Which is the reason for having only one text tag for task?
>>
>> I think it could be very useful tag task with *one or more *tag.
>>
>> Thanks. MC
>>
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Re: [MLO] What reason for only ONE text tag?

[Marcello Capucci]

Imagine you have several task, for example, that are accomunated by 
something.
For example: 
- Paint the gate in the garden
- Paint the kitchen wall
Both task needs "varnish" and "brush"
I'd like to apply tag #varnish and #brush to both task. 
So that If I need to check where I need (for example) a brush, I can 
quickly do that
It's only an example. 
For this reason, it seems to me that limiting to a single tag per task is a 
mistake. 
I don't think MLO supports the ";" separator. 
If you write #varnish; #brush, for MLO is a single tag, not two
I have been using MindManager for years (I know, it's a different software 
...), which for example supports all the tags you want for each task, and 
it seems very useful: I can make dashboards that do not only concern 
deadlines, priorities, resources etc.
Il giorno domenica 23 ottobre 2022 alle 18:48:01 UTC+2 Dwight ha scritto:

> Folders could not substitute for tags because a task can only be in one 
> folder, tags tend to come in flocks.
>
> Flags could substitute but there is a downside. Tags can be very ad hoc, 
> arising in response to a transitory issue that soon fades. Whenever a new 
> tag is needed, one would need to go into the Manage Flags window and create 
> it. Some time later, one would need to go into the Manage Flags box again 
> to clean out unused flags. That last housekeeping is unlikely to happen 
> often, so it will get messy.
>
> What's wrong with the current implementation: you can use comma separated 
> tags but MLO does not know you are doing that. MLO has a great capability 
> add on the fly to the list of available tags and to remove tags when they 
> are unused. But if you change "tag1" to "tag1, tag2" MLO does not add tag2 
> to the list, it adds the entire string with two tags, which is not very 
> useful. Also, using search exposes you to the ambiguity where one item is a 
> substring of another unrelated item, like when you search for "%mail" and 
> you get "%mailbox" mixed in.
>
> I think that a change to text tag to allow multiple tags with MLO 
> recognizing them individually would be popular with people who use tags.
>
> _Dwight
> On 10/22/2022 7:12 AM, 'Michael Emerald, CFA' via MyLifeOrganized wrote:
>
> I see your point, but have a different perspective on text tags.  I’m 
> guessing that you (correctly) mean that nowadays “tags” means you can affix 
> as many tags as you want to an item.  Of course you are correct.
>
>  
>
> But the usage here, I feel, is rather not a tag as we know it, but rather 
> an additional text field, one which can be used for filtering. Furthermore, 
> unlike photos, web pages, etc. I can’t see a need where I’d say “Show me 
> all the tasks that involve ‘Tools of the Trade’.  For that, I’d use a 
> folder or flag.
>
>  
>
> Again, your point is valid, but I wouldn’t recommend it for adoption.
>
>  
>
> Take Care,
>
>  
>
> *Michael Emerald, CFA*
>
>  
>
> *Performance Business Design*
>
> Owner, Business Strategy Consultant
>
>  
>
> *From:* mylifeo...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *MOK | MATSURU
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 22, 2022 02:57
> *To:* mylifeo...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [MLO] What reason for only ONE text tag?
>
>  
>
> I agree that it is limited. but you can put more keywords in it.
>
> Then, use the search text tag function instead of the filter. This way you 
> will be able to find the task with multiple text tags.
>
> To differentiate text tags with task names, you can put in special symbols 
> like @ # ?$ ...etc so the search will include these symbols and will not 
> show the search result with the task name. 
>
>  
>
> hope this helps.
>
>  
>
> On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 at 14:30, Marcello Capucci  
> wrote:
>
> Which is the reason for having only one text tag for task?
>
> I think it could be very useful tag task with *one or more *tag. 
>
> Thanks. MC
>
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Re: [MLO] What reason for only ONE text tag?

[Marcello Capucci]

Precisely because each task corresponds to only one flag ... It would be 
useful to have multiple tags per task instead. Otherwise, apart from the 
icon, you don't understand much about the different use between flags and 
tags...
Il giorno sabato 22 ottobre 2022 alle 13:13:10 UTC+2 westpo...@yahoo.com ha 
scritto:

> I see your point, but have a different perspective on text tags.  I’m 
> guessing that you (correctly) mean that nowadays “tags” means you can affix 
> as many tags as you want to an item.  Of course you are correct.
>
>  
>
> But the usage here, I feel, is rather not a tag as we know it, but rather 
> an additional text field, one which can be used for filtering. Furthermore, 
> unlike photos, web pages, etc. I can’t see a need where I’d say “Show me 
> all the tasks that involve ‘Tools of the Trade’.  For that, I’d use a 
> folder or flag.
>
>  
>
> Again, your point is valid, but I wouldn’t recommend it for adoption.
>
>  
>
> Take Care,
>
>  
>
> *Michael Emerald, CFA*
>
>  
>
> *Performance Business Design*
>
> Owner, Business Strategy Consultant
>
>  
>
> *From:* mylifeo...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *MOK | MATSURU
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 22, 2022 02:57
> *To:* mylifeo...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [MLO] What reason for only ONE text tag?
>
>  
>
> I agree that it is limited. but you can put more keywords in it.
>
> Then, use the search text tag function instead of the filter. This way you 
> will be able to find the task with multiple text tags.
>
> To differentiate text tags with task names, you can put in special symbols 
> like @ # ?$ ...etc so the search will include these symbols and will not 
> show the search result with the task name. 
>
>  
>
> hope this helps.
>
>  
>
> On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 at 14:30, Marcello Capucci  
> wrote:
>
> Which is the reason for having only one text tag for task?
>
> I think it could be very useful tag task with *one or more *tag. 
>
> Thanks. MC
>
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Re: [MLO] What reason for only ONE text tag?

[MOK | MATSURU]

I agreed. The best is for MLO to recognize multiple tags individually even
though they are entered in the same field separated by commas.

I just experiment and found out that you are right.., Dwight Search
keywords will find all texts that contain that keyword. ( search 'man' will
get 'man', 'woman', manager' ...etc)

however, after further experimenting, by adding a special character in
front of the keyword, for example: '>man', the search results will only
show '>man' and not the others.

In this case, if one wanna use multiple text tags, one should decide on 1
special character that only is only used for text tags. This way,
hopefully, the search result will be much more accurate.

This is not ideal but a workaround for those who need multiple text tags.

On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 00:48, Dwight Arthur  wrote:

> Folders could not substitute for tags because a task can only be in one
> folder, tags tend to come in flocks.
>
> Flags could substitute but there is a downside. Tags can be very ad hoc,
> arising in response to a transitory issue that soon fades. Whenever a new
> tag is needed, one would need to go into the Manage Flags window and create
> it. Some time later, one would need to go into the Manage Flags box again
> to clean out unused flags. That last housekeeping is unlikely to happen
> often, so it will get messy.
>
> What's wrong with the current implementation: you can use comma separated
> tags but MLO does not know you are doing that. MLO has a great capability
> add on the fly to the list of available tags and to remove tags when they
> are unused. But if you change "tag1" to "tag1, tag2" MLO does not add tag2
> to the list, it adds the entire string with two tags, which is not very
> useful. Also, using search exposes you to the ambiguity where one item is a
> substring of another unrelated item, like when you search for "%mail" and
> you get "%mailbox" mixed in.
>
> I think that a change to text tag to allow multiple tags with MLO
> recognizing them individually would be popular with people who use tags.
>
> _Dwight
> On 10/22/2022 7:12 AM, 'Michael Emerald, CFA' via MyLifeOrganized wrote:
>
> I see your point, but have a different perspective on text tags.  I’m
> guessing that you (correctly) mean that nowadays “tags” means you can affix
> as many tags as you want to an item.  Of course you are correct.
>
>
>
> But the usage here, I feel, is rather not a tag as we know it, but rather
> an additional text field, one which can be used for filtering. Furthermore,
> unlike photos, web pages, etc. I can’t see a need where I’d say “Show me
> all the tasks that involve ‘Tools of the Trade’.  For that, I’d use a
> folder or flag.
>
>
>
> Again, your point is valid, but I wouldn’t recommend it for adoption.
>
>
>
> Take Care,
>
>
>
> *Michael Emerald, CFA*
>
>
>
> *Performance Business Design*
>
> Owner, Business Strategy Consultant
>
>
>
> *From:* mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com
>   *On
> Behalf Of *MOK | MATSURU
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 22, 2022 02:57
> *To:* mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [MLO] What reason for only ONE text tag?
>
>
>
> I agree that it is limited. but you can put more keywords in it.
>
> Then, use the search text tag function instead of the filter. This way you
> will be able to find the task with multiple text tags.
>
> To differentiate text tags with task names, you can put in special symbols
> like @ # ?$ ...etc so the search will include these symbols and will not
> show the search result with the task name.
>
>
>
> hope this helps.
>
>
>
> On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 at 14:30, Marcello Capucci 
> wrote:
>
> Which is the reason for having only one text tag for task?
>
> I think it could be very useful tag task with *one or more *tag.
>
> Thanks. MC
>
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Re: [MLO] What reason for only ONE text tag?

[imajeff]

"These are not the text tags you're looking for," totally what I thought 
when I learned that the development team did not make this to be "text 
tags" really. It's just another way to make them searchable with special 
kewords you can make up in that text field but not add more custom fields. 
When someone tells you this is how it works, they are not trying to make a 
point of their own. MLO was just not designed to allow you to add multiple 
custom fields. Sure, I wish it was.

I realized more than 13 years ago that this software does not come from our 
language or culture. Wording gets lost in translation. The way they decide 
how things should work is not my way. It can be surprising how culture can 
change popular thinking, but I accept that's probably why things like this 
seem so non-intuitive in my experience. Guess we gotta design our own if we 
want it a different way.


On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:13:10 AM UTC-6 westpo...@yahoo.com wrote:

> I see your point, but have a different perspective on text tags.  I’m 
> guessing that you (correctly) mean that nowadays “tags” means you can affix 
> as many tags as you want to an item.  Of course you are correct.
>
>  
>
> But the usage here, I feel, is rather not a tag as we know it, but rather 
> an additional text field, one which can be used for filtering. Furthermore, 
> unlike photos, web pages, etc. I can’t see a need where I’d say “Show me 
> all the tasks that involve ‘Tools of the Trade’.  For that, I’d use a 
> folder or flag.
>
>  
>
> Again, your point is valid, but I wouldn’t recommend it for adoption.
>
>  
>
> Take Care,
>
>  
>
> *Michael Emerald, CFA*
>
>  
>
> *Performance Business Design*
>
> Owner, Business Strategy Consultant
>
>  
>
> *From:* mylifeo...@googlegroups.com  *On 
> Behalf Of *MOK | MATSURU
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 22, 2022 02:57
> *To:* mylifeo...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [MLO] What reason for only ONE text tag?
>
>  
>
> I agree that it is limited. but you can put more keywords in it.
>
> Then, use the search text tag function instead of the filter. This way you 
> will be able to find the task with multiple text tags.
>
> To differentiate text tags with task names, you can put in special symbols 
> like @ # ?$ ...etc so the search will include these symbols and will not 
> show the search result with the task name. 
>
>  
>
> hope this helps.
>
>  
>
> On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 at 14:30, Marcello Capucci  
> wrote:
>
> Which is the reason for having only one text tag for task?
>
> I think it could be very useful tag task with *one or more *tag. 
>
> Thanks. MC
>
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Re: [MLO] What reason for only ONE text tag?

[Dwight Arthur]

  
  
Folders could not substitute for tags because a task can only be
  in one folder, tags tend to come in flocks.
Flags could substitute but there is a downside. Tags can be very
  ad hoc, arising in response to a transitory issue that soon fades.
  Whenever a new tag is needed, one would need to go into the Manage
  Flags window and create it. Some time later, one would need to go
  into the Manage Flags box again to clean out unused flags. That
  last housekeeping is unlikely to happen often, so it will get
  messy.
What's wrong with the current implementation: you can use comma
  separated tags but MLO does not know you are doing that. MLO has a
  great capability add on the fly to the list of available tags and
  to remove tags when they are unused. But if you change "tag1" to
  "tag1, tag2" MLO does not add tag2 to the list, it adds the entire
  string with two tags, which is not very useful. Also, using search
  exposes you to the ambiguity where one item is a substring of
  another unrelated item, like when you search for "%mail" and you
  get "%mailbox" mixed in.
I think that a change to text tag to allow multiple tags with MLO
  recognizing them individually would be popular with people who use
  tags.
_Dwight

On 10/22/2022 7:12 AM, 'Michael
  Emerald, CFA' via MyLifeOrganized wrote:


  
  
  
  
I see your point, but have a different
  perspective on text tags.  I’m guessing that you (correctly)
  mean that nowadays “tags” means you can affix as many tags as
  you want to an item.  Of course you are correct.
 
But the usage here, I feel, is rather not a
  tag as we know it, but rather an additional text field, one
  which can be used for filtering. Furthermore, unlike photos,
  web pages, etc. I can’t see a need where I’d say “Show me all
  the tasks that involve ‘Tools of the Trade’.  For that, I’d
  use a folder or flag.
 
Again, your point is valid, but I wouldn’t
  recommend it for adoption.
 
Take Care,
 
Michael
  Emerald, CFA
 
Performance
  Business Design
Owner, Business Strategy Consultant
 

  From:
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 On Behalf Of MOK
| MATSURU
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2022 02:57
To: mylifeorganized@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Re: [MLO] What reason for only ONE text tag?

 

  

  I
  agree that it is limited. but you can put more
  keywords in it.


  Then,
  use the search text tag function instead of the
  filter. This way you will be able to find the task
  with multiple text tags.


  To
  differentiate text tags with task names, you can put
  in special symbols like @ # ?$ ...etc so the search
  will include these symbols and will not show the
  search result with the task name. 


   


  hope
  this helps.

  

 

  
On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 at 14:30, Marcello
  Capucci <marcello.capu...@gmail.com>
  wrote:
  
  
Which is the reason for having only one
  text tag for task?

  I think it could be very useful tag
task with one or more tag. 


  Thanks. MC

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RE: [MLO] What reason for only ONE text tag?

['Michael Emerald, CFA' via MyLifeOrganized]

I see your point, but have a different perspective on text tags.  I’m guessing 
that you (correctly) mean that nowadays “tags” means you can affix as many tags 
as you want to an item.  Of course you are correct.

 

But the usage here, I feel, is rather not a tag as we know it, but rather an 
additional text field, one which can be used for filtering. Furthermore, unlike 
photos, web pages, etc. I can’t see a need where I’d say “Show me all the tasks 
that involve ‘Tools of the Trade’.  For that, I’d use a folder or flag.

 

Again, your point is valid, but I wouldn’t recommend it for adoption.

 

Take Care,

 

Michael Emerald, CFA

 

Performance Business Design

Owner, Business Strategy Consultant

 

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Subject: Re: [MLO] What reason for only ONE text tag?

 

I agree that it is limited. but you can put more keywords in it.

Then, use the search text tag function instead of the filter. This way you will 
be able to find the task with multiple text tags.

To differentiate text tags with task names, you can put in special symbols like 
@ # ?$ ...etc so the search will include these symbols and will not show the 
search result with the task name. 

 

hope this helps.

 

On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 at 14:30, Marcello Capucci mailto:marcello.capu...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Which is the reason for having only one text tag for task?

I think it could be very useful tag task with one or more tag. 

Thanks. MC

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Re: [MLO] What reason for only ONE text tag?

[MOK | MATSURU]

I agree that it is limited. but you can put more keywords in it.
Then, use the search text tag function instead of the filter. This way you
will be able to find the task with multiple text tags.
To differentiate text tags with task names, you can put in special symbols
like @ # ?$ ...etc so the search will include these symbols and will not
show the search result with the task name.

hope this helps.

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> Which is the reason for having only one text tag for task?
> I think it could be very useful tag task with *one or more *tag.
> Thanks. MC
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[MLO] What reason for only ONE text tag?

[Marcello Capucci]

Which is the reason for having only one text tag for task?
I think it could be very useful tag task with *one or more *tag. 
Thanks. MC

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