RE: Load balancing in routers

2002-04-08 Thread Gironda, Andre
Does anybody know what are load balancing algorithms by most routers ? Where can I more information about this ? thanks Abhi oh hey, does anyone on this list know how to make cars go faster for most makes/models? heh, j/k ; you might want to check out rfc2991 and rfc2992. most routers

Re: Load balancing in routers

2002-04-08 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On Sun, 7 Apr 2002, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: Layer 3 devices usually do a form a load balancing called equal cost forwarding. If you have two routes to a single prefix (say you have two physical links), and both have the same routing cost, packets may be load balanced across those

Re: Load balancing in routers

2002-04-08 Thread Lincoln Dale
At 10:50 AM 8/04/2002 +0200, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: load balanced across those links. Some mechanisms (for example Cisco CEF) can do this on a per-destination (flow-based) basis, to prevent packet reordering. I seem to remember fast switching was per-destination, and CEF was round

Checkpoint is down...

2002-04-08 Thread Pascal Gloor
Anyone knows what's going on with www.checkpoint.com ? I urgently need 'SecuRemote', could anyone send me sr-w2k-4185-strong.exe ? Thanks, Pascal

verio.net

2002-04-08 Thread Ariel Biener
Hi, I need someone in a senior position at verio.net (if on the list) to contact me offlist, on something of a personal nature (no I am not looking for a job). --Ariel -- Ariel Biener e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP(6.5.8) public key http://www.tau.ac.il/~ariel/pgp.html

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Re: NANOG on Trial

2002-04-08 Thread william
R, leave this along will you... Nick is 14 years old and his word can't be believed that much (see archives on that same isp-colo). To me his post was no more then a bad joke... On Sun, 7 Apr 2002, Paul Revere wrote: * To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Subject: Legal Recourse *

RE: Best provider to use ?

2002-04-08 Thread Donn Lasher
Of all the places to try to get away with this type of thing It's like {insert your favorite comparision here} At 05:48 PM 4/6/2002 -0500, Daniel Golding wrote: Even better...the anonymous trolls! - Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: Best provider to use ?

2002-04-08 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
Of all the places to try to get away with this type of thing It's like {insert your favorite comparision here} A modernized version of Chief Joseph and the Trail of Tiers? At 05:48 PM 4/6/2002 -0500, Daniel Golding wrote: Even better...the anonymous trolls! - Dan -Original

Re: Load balancing in routers

2002-04-08 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 12:58:46PM -0400, Alex Rubenstein wrote: Paul's statement about CEF is interesting. It's probably the first public statement I've ever heard where someone was praising CEF. Usually discussions about CEF are accompanied by liberal amounts of swearing... I dunno;

Re: Load balancing in routers

2002-04-08 Thread Tony Tauber
On Mon, 8 Apr 2002, Chris Woodfield wrote: If by round-robin you mean by destination only, then this is correct. The term round-robin refers to a schedule which cycles through some number of things in a fixed order. A packet arrives and the router makes a forwarding decision. The things

Re: Load balancing in routers

2002-04-08 Thread Stephen Sprunk
Thus spake Mark Kent [EMAIL PROTECTED] another thing is you will see increased latency and jitter as your packets individually queue for cpu process time Thanks, that statement is significantly different than: 1) That is very deadly 2) If you want to crater your router, sure both

Re: NANOG on Trial

2002-04-08 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
Recently my personal system has been attacked by someone from the IRC channel #nanog on EFNet. This along with multiple instances of showing/providing pornography to minors as well as defamation of character/slander as well as numerous other civil and criminal items have really plagued my

Re: NANOG on Trial

2002-04-08 Thread measl
NickCatal I think we can make money offering gig-e at the cost of a T1 I'll take two :-) -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by

Re: NANOG on Trial

2002-04-08 Thread Conrad A. Rockenhaus
On Mon, 8 Apr 2002, Richard A Steenbergen wrote: snipped NickCatal naa.. my job in the new company is to make ideas and provide a public face to the company.. a 14 year old selling enterprise hosting looks good on Leno Come on now, he's one of those 14 year old wonder kids that will change

Qwest fiber cut in dallas?

2002-04-08 Thread Daniel F. Chief Security Engineer -
Qwest fiber cut in dallas? Has anyone head any thing. I heard this from an unconfirmed source. thanks -- Chief Security Engineer | Daniel Fairchild [EMAIL PROTECTED] GCS d- s++:++ a- C++ UL P+++ L+++ E--- W++ N++ o+ K- w+ O M- V PS+ PE Y+ PGP+ t 5+ X-- R+ tv b++ DI++ D

Re: NANOG on Trial

2002-04-08 Thread measl
On Mon, 8 Apr 2002, Conrad A. Rockenhaus wrote: snipped NickCatal naa.. my job in the new company is to make ideas and provide a public face to the company.. a 14 year old selling enterprise hosting looks good on Leno Come on now, he's one of those 14 year old wonder kids that will

Re: NANOG on Trial

2002-04-08 Thread David Ulevitch
Hello Conrad, Monday, April 8, 2002, 2:55:01 PM, you wrote: NickCatal naa.. my job in the new company is to make ideas and provide a public face to the company.. a 14 year old selling enterprise hosting looks good on Leno CAR Come on now, he's one of those 14 year old wonder kids that will

Re: NANOG on Trial

2002-04-08 Thread Steven J. Sobol
On Mon, 8 Apr 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CAR Come on now, he's one of those 14 year old wonder kids that will change CAR the way we think of the Internet, go Generation Y It's generation K-12: http://latency.net/~asr/wcom.jpg C|NK Oh thats GOOD.. But... but... I've

Re: NANOG on Trial

2002-04-08 Thread Bill Woodcock
CSO? Cutting School to be Online. -Bill

packet reordering at exchange points

2002-04-08 Thread Paul Vixie
packet reordering at MAE East was extremely common a few years ago. Does anyone have information whether this is still happening? more to the point, does anybody still care about packet reordering at exchange points? we (paix) go through significant effort to prevent it, and interswitch

Re: www.gov.ps - offline?

2002-04-08 Thread Sean Donelan
On Sun, 7 Apr 2002, John Palmer (NANOG Acct) wrote: Looks like www.gov.ps is offline. Wasn't someone in Norway operating a backup site for this? IP address resoves to 212.14.253.243 which is not routed at this time. Doing a little research, it appears a substantial part of physical

Re: NANOG on Trial

2002-04-08 Thread E.B. Dreger
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 15:26:18 -0400 From: Richard A Steenbergen [EMAIL PROTECTED] (extensive snipping) NickCatal FDDI can only support up to, maby, T1 speed.. NickCatal t1 = 1464kbps.. NickCatal I always thought FDDI was frame relay.. Oh... my... goodness... these almost make my

Re: packet reordering at exchange points

2002-04-08 Thread Sean Donelan
On Mon, 8 Apr 2002, Paul Vixie wrote: packet reordering at MAE East was extremely common a few years ago. Does anyone have information whether this is still happening? more to the point, does anybody still care about packet reordering at exchange points? we (paix) go through significant

Re: packet reordering at exchange points

2002-04-08 Thread Jake Khuon
### On Mon, 08 Apr 2002 14:18:52 -0700, Paul Vixie [EMAIL PROTECTED] casually ### decided to expound upon [EMAIL PROTECTED] the following thoughts about ### packet reordering at exchange points: PV packet reordering at MAE East was extremely common a few years ago. Does PV anyone have

Ph.D. student looking for data on network failure causes

2002-04-08 Thread David L. Oppenheimer
Hello network operators! I'm a Ph.D. student at UC Berkeley working for Dave Patterson on the ROC project, which is investgiating techniques for improving the availability and manageability of large-scale Internet services and systems. I'm currently conducting a study of the root causes

Re: packet reordering at exchange points

2002-04-08 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 11:19:56PM +, E.B. Dreger wrote: But how is packet reordering on two parallell gigabit interfaces ever going to translate into reordered packets for individual streams? Packets Queue depths. Varying paths. IIRC, 802.3ad DOES NOT allow round robin

Re: packet reordering at exchange points

2002-04-08 Thread E.B. Dreger
Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 19:45:16 -0400 From: Richard A Steenbergen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Queue depths. Varying paths. IIRC, 802.3ad DOES NOT allow round robin distribution; it uses hashes. Sure, hashed distribution isn't perfect. But it's better than perfect distribution with added

RE: Qwest Transit

2002-04-08 Thread Daniel Golding
Hmm. Cogent does require some semi-strict traffic ratios to get the really good deals. If it's not violating an NDA, is Qwest asking for similar ones, these days? - Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Alex Rubenstein Sent:

Re: packet reordering at exchange points

2002-04-08 Thread Stephen Sprunk
Thus spake Iljitsch van Beijnum [EMAIL PROTECTED] But how is packet reordering on two parallell gigabit interfaces ever going to translate into reordered packets for individual streams? Think of a large FTP between two well-connected machines. Such flows tend to generate periodic clumps of

Re: packet reordering at exchange points

2002-04-08 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 09 Apr 2002 00:32:50 +0200, Iljitsch van Beijnum said: Obviously some applications care. In addition to the examples mentioned earlier: out of order packets aren't really good for TCP header compression, so they will slow down data transfers over slow links. On the other hand,

Re: packet reordering at exchange points

2002-04-08 Thread Mark Allman
Paul- more to the point, does anybody still care about packet reordering at exchange points? we (paix) go through significant effort to prevent it, and interswitch trunking with round robin would be a lot easier. are we chasing an urban legend here, or would reordering still cause pain?

RE: Qwest Transit

2002-04-08 Thread Gironda, Andre
All ISP's selling transit ask for strict traffic ratios. How often do you think they get what they ask for? I would guess not very often. People like flat rate 95th% with no minimal commitment (both the seller and buyer) because that's easy to keep track of. Simplicity is king, again.

Re: Qwest Transit

2002-04-08 Thread Chris Woodfield
Um, wha? There are providers that will do one-way billing (charging less per Mb/s in one direction than the other), but the majority of usage-based transit services are sold without regard to which directino the highest traffic goes. Now peering, that's a different story. Peering partners,

Re: Qwest Transit

2002-04-08 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 09:35:17PM -0700, Gironda, Andre wrote: I meant any sales guy selling transit would like to ask for strict traffic ratios, while in reality, they don't actually do this. Your email is right on otherwise. I do believe that many transit offerings in the past and

Re: packet reordering at exchange points

2002-04-08 Thread Jesper Skriver
On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 11:19:56PM +, E.B. Dreger wrote: Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 00:32:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Iljitsch van Beijnum [EMAIL PROTECTED] But how is packet reordering on two parallell gigabit interfaces ever going to translate into reordered packets for individual