RE: South Asia Network Operators Group (SANOG)

2002-11-29 Thread Poyerd, Denis
Wow! One statement about unrest in a country and the flames hit the ceiling. I've travelled to over twenty countries (incl, one of the two listed below), many others hostile...and the news about them are very often not too far off the mark. I'm not trying to dissuade people from attending the

The Cidr Report

2002-11-29 Thread cidr-report
This report has been generated at Fri Nov 29 21:45:21 2002 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of an AS4637 (Reach) router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org/as4637 for a current version of this report. Recent Table

RE: South Asia Network Operators Group (SANOG)

2002-11-29 Thread matthew
On Thu, 28 Nov 2002, Gordon Cook wrote: In 99 and 2000 there was an internet cafe in Namche. It depended for connection to the outside world on a microwave link on towers between Lukla and Jiri. In January 2001 the Maoists blew up the repeater towers leaving namche and the everest region

Re: Federal Reserve Risks Collapse Re: Risk of Internetcollapse grows

2002-11-29 Thread sgorman1
Is this selective argumentation? I agree that the proper assumptions need to be made for research. This is the whole reason I started posting here in the first place, and the request I made at the end of the post - help making sure assumptions are correct. What you decided to attack on the

Re: South Asia Network Operators Group (SANOG)

2002-11-29 Thread Ariel Biener
On Thu, 28 Nov 2002, Bill Woodcock wrote: For everybody else, yes, I know I'm being grouchy.I just find this kind of behavior incredibly offensive; this kind of reality-defying jingoism is one of the most embarassing things about being identified as an American while travelling.Happy

Re: Spanning tree melt down ?

2002-11-29 Thread Daniel Golding
Marshall, It was Dr. John Halamka, the former emergency-room physician who runs Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center's gigantic computer network It appears what really happened is that they put an emergency room doctor in charge of a critical system in which he, in all likelyhood, had limited

Re: Spanning tree melt down ?

2002-11-29 Thread David Lesher
Unnamed Administration sources reported that Daniel Golding said: It was Dr. John Halamka, the former emergency-room physician who runs Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center's gigantic computer network It appears what really happened is that they put an emergency room doctor in charge of

Re: Spanning tree melt down ?

2002-11-29 Thread Marshall Eubanks
Radia Pearlman lives only a few miles away - they could have asked her for a quote :) However, I would not be too harsh towards Dr. John - it is common practice in specialty organizations to put a member of the club in charge of every department, even if most of the decisions are actually

Re: Risk of Internet collapse grows

2002-11-29 Thread Daniel Golding
The problem isn't so much the latency - although that is a problem. Any researcher approaching this problem must understand that their result are only as good as their data. In this case, assuming that Boardwatch network maps are correct or, in fact, anything other than a marketing fantasy, is a

Re: Spanning tree melt down ?

2002-11-29 Thread Daniel Golding
Well, yes, they were. But don't blame Cisco - its not like they held a gun to anyone's head. Of course, there is also the possibility that the hospitol IT folks said if you had just agreed to our capital requests last year, none of this would have happened and the money tap got turned on. This

Re: Risk of Internet collapse grows

2002-11-29 Thread Stephen Sprunk
Thus spakeIrwin Lazar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thought this might be worth passing on: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/2514651.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/2514651.stm There is a recent book out called Linked: The New Science of Networks which details the potential for causing

Re: Spanning tree melt down ?

2002-11-29 Thread Stephen Sprunk
Thus spake Eric Gauthier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyone have any idea what really happened : http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/330/science/Got_paper_+.shtml I can't speak to exactly what happened because of NDA, but I think I can help NANOGers understand the environment and why this happens in

Re: Spanning tree melt down ?

2002-11-29 Thread Stephen Sprunk
Thus spake Daniel Golding [EMAIL PROTECTED] It appears what really happened is that they put an emergency room doctor in charge of a critical system in which he, in all likelyhood, had limited training. In the medical system, he was trusted because of he was a doctor. The sad thing about this

Re: Spanning tree melt down ?

2002-11-29 Thread Stephen Sprunk
Thus spake Scott Granados [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just a data point here, most hospital networks and it departments are headed by Doctor's. In insurance companies, the networks are run by claims adjusters. In banks, they're run by loan officers. And in airlines, they're run by unionized pilots.

DNS 101

2002-11-29 Thread Damian Gerow
I'm looking for a bit of DNS help here... We've been doing a bit of work that involves looking up the real authoritative nameservers for domains that we believe we are authoritative for, and have run into a spot of trouble when it comes to looking up ca. sub-domains. Could I ask people with

Re: Spanning tree melt down ?

2002-11-29 Thread Stephen Sprunk
Thus spake Robert A. Hayden [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm still failing to see why this required a $3M forklift of new equipment to correct the problem. Was this just Cisco sales pouncing on someone's misfortune as a way to push new stuff? Environments with a STP diameter of 10+ are unlikely to have

Re: Spanning tree melt down ?

2002-11-29 Thread Daniel Golding
Yes, I read his bio. I'm sure he's quite the techie amongst his fellow physicans, and I think thats a great thing. However, its more than just a bad idea to put someone who isn't completely proficient in a job like this - its bad for the patients. If you want to run a shoe company, and put a

Re: Spanning tree melt down ?

2002-11-29 Thread Rafi Sadowsky
## On 2002-11-29 15:05 -0600 Daniel Golding typed: DG DG DG Yes, I read his bio. I'm sure he's quite the techie amongst his fellow DG physicans, and I think thats a great thing. However, its more than just a DG bad idea to put someone who isn't completely proficient in a job like this DG -

Re: Spanning tree melt down ?

2002-11-29 Thread David Lesher
Unnamed Administration sources reported that Marshall Eubanks said: I just heard that NPR is about to do a piece on this - it should air in a few minutes... Immediate cause: Someone tried to move a multi-gigabyte file. -- A host is a host from coast to [EMAIL PROTECTED] no one

Re: DNS 101

2002-11-29 Thread Damian Gerow
On Fri, 2002-11-29 at 18:07, Phillip Vandry wrote: I'm looking for a bit of DNS help here... We've been doing a bit of work that involves looking up the real authoritative nameservers for domains that we believe we are authoritative for, and have run into a spot of trouble when it

Re: Odd DDoS, anyone else seen this?

2002-11-29 Thread bdragon
Looked just like a regular SYN flood to the target IP. Not sure why they picked source addresses that were so obviously bogus though. Can anyone think of a reason why this sort of traffic should be routed at all? Does anyone actually drop hosts on to addresses ending in x.x.x.0? x.x.0.0

Re: Risk of Internet collapse grows

2002-11-29 Thread Randy Bush
last year we *measured* isp maps as part of a research project called rocketfuel and found that the marketing maps can differ significantly from the real ones quite a bit because of lack-of-detail, outdated-ness, or optimistic-projections. a paper describing the methodology and the maps