I rely on recruiters to funnel applicants to the company. I also use
Monster and jobs.perl.org to do the same. But I don't rely on them top
do much weeding.
These days, I used semi-automated remote testing to find the good
guys. I put very little faith in resumes, and do not use them to
Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine wrote:
of my best hires (at sri, .5k hosts, circa 1987) were simply
trainable. an english major (f) from reed, and a cs major (m) from a
school that taught cobol as a modern language -- i hired him for his
night job skills, managing an auto body shop,
DO NOT SEND YOUR RESUME at this point of the application process. If
you do send your resume, we will assume you did not bother to
carefully read this job posting, and we will not consider your
application.
To begin taking the tests, please send your public SSH key to
[EMAIL
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 17:16:46 -0500
From: Fisher, Shawn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If this question is inappropriate for this list I apoligize in advance.
Tangential matter is the lifeblood of all mailing lists.
[...]
My question, what is the most effective way to recruit quality engineers?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
network is needed to effectively troubleshoot problems. It did lead
to one awkward situation with a 16 year-old who immediately started
talking about ICMP echos with varying TTL and routers sending back
ICMP echo-replies. I wanted to end the interview and hire him on the
On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 15:56:05 -0800 Dan Lockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Try here too:
http://www.averillpark.net/datacenter/
oh great. now i'm going to have to make another pass through looking for dead
links.
my earlier post on this subject didn't seem to get through. in addition to my
talking about ICMP echos with varying TTL and routers sending back
ICMP echo-replies. I wanted to end the interview and hire him on the
If that would be the criteria, wouldn´t the acceptable answer involve
UDP packets and
ICMP time exceeded? (not counting windows way of doing traceroute)
experienced network engineers would not be able to generate an
SSH public key if they don't already have one?
And for this same reason, we ask for the resume's in Plain ASCII
If they simply export their Word doc, it gets deleted as the formatting is
terrible. A good geek/sysadmin understands
Does anyone know if Telcove is blocking any 135 ports or 139? I have a
class that is trying to access our network from this ISP and they are unable
to connect. Everyone else is working fine.
Let me know
Thanks,
-Original Message-
From: mike harrison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 6:03 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: This may be stupid but..
snip
When I interview, I start out by asking one or two key
questions
Suresh Ramasubramanian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is not just financial resources - it is also a factor of time to
build a filter / set of filters from scratch (even with spamassasin +
bogofilter you need to train it extensively, and tweak its rulesets to
suit your mail flow).
there are
Over the weekend a customer of mine had his legacy .us domain
under .rye.ny.us stop working, as it is no longer in the root servers.
After doing some checking, a whois on rye.ny.us shows it as inactive.
The customer found this list of .us delegations:
joshua sahala writes on 11/10/2003 11:03 AM:
there are some online spam archives that you can download and feed, and
while it may take you a little time to write a script to push the archives
training on your spam feed is what will work for you. rather longish
and laborious process though.
i
Hey folks, can you please stop the CC'ing of people
that have responded to this thread. Just reply to NANOG.
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:36:50AM -0500, joshua sahala wrote:
Peter Galbavy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A willingness, nay - a NEED, to learn and be open to new concepts is
what
On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 11:36, joshua sahala wrote:
Peter Galbavy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Acronyms mean sh*t. When involved in any hiring process, I actively
avoid CCIE/MSCE/etc. laden resumes. Mentioning once, fine. Using them
like religious phrases is an indictation of, well, stupidity.
John Brown (CV) writes on 11/10/2003 11:43 AM:
Hey folks, can you please stop the CC'ing of people
that have responded to this thread. Just reply to NANOG.
Sure thing.
To: joshua sahala [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Peter Galbavy [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Richard Irving [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Eric
Hey folks, can you please stop the CC'ing of people
that have responded to this thread. Just reply to NANOG.
procmail is your friend
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Where is the nanog job board to post open positions to?
To my knowledge it is still a yahoo-group called nanog-jobs.
It's pretty low traffic - the last note I saw was on 10/9 and
probably 20 posts in the past year.
There was an administrative post in February that stated the
list was
I agree certifications are overated at best.
Give me someone with the right attitude and I'll teach him anything.
Showing the ability to get things done is the greatest skill imo.
-Original Message-
From: Timothy R. McKee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 11:48
Hi,
Anyone has any good law enforcement contacts that have enough clue
( or could be educated in process ) to work on catching and nailing DOS
originators?
Please drop me email off the list.
Alex
Howdy folks,
A .eu researcher asked about my .iq data, so I've put that data back up.
I haven't spent any time keeping it current, or expanding it, but I will
if people actually send me data. Some of you have, or have expressed an
interest in doing something of marginal or greater utility, or
Need a recommendation for Satellite link connecting Bangalore
and sites in the U.S. Need HW vendor and managed provider
recommendations.
Contact me off-list.
Thanks,
BM
Thus spake 'Timothy R. McKee' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I agree certifications are overated at best.
Give me someone with the right attitude and I'll teach him anything.
Showing the ability to get things done is the greatest skill imo.
Unfortunately, most recruiters and even hiring managers have no
Paging Motorola. Please leave some system resources for the rest of
us and LOG OFF when you're done. Thank you.
bye,Kai
sonet:~$ date
Mon Nov 10 13:56:46 EST 2003
sonet:~$ telnet route-views.oregon-ix.net
[]
route-views.oregon-ix.netwho
Line User Host(s) Idle
Hi,
Is there a place to discuss and find solutions for email related security
issues?
I've just receives a nice email from my banker (ok, it claims to be from
my banker) asking me to visit my banks website and confirm my email
address. This email is by far the most convincing piece of fraud
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:03:15AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When I interview, I start out by asking one or two key questions that
help me quickly get to the truth. For instance at one company, when I
has hiring NOC folks, I started by asking them to explain traceroute
to me.
Which
This is one of those times where either PGP/GPG or these digital ID things
in Outlook/Outlook Express would come in handy. Not that I would expect
normal users to bother to check to see if the sig is legit or not,
considering these are the same people who seem to have no problem opening a
zip
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 12:51:55PM -0500, Fisher, Shawn wrote:
I agree certifications are overated at best.
Give me someone with the right attitude and I'll teach him anything.
Showing the ability to get things done is the greatest skill imo.
I once read the following and saved it away...
Uhm... I think those ninja bots are in frozen-state. They probably logged off
but their session may have been locked up in router vty. May be its time for
route-views to go another reboot?
-hc
--
Haesu C.
TowardEX Technologies, Inc.
Consulting, colocation, web hosting, network design and
On Nov 10, 2003, at 2:38 PM, Daniel Roesen wrote:
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 12:51:55PM -0500, Fisher, Shawn wrote:
I agree certifications are overated at best.
Give me someone with the right attitude and I'll teach him anything.
Showing the ability to get things done is the greatest skill imo.
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 20:27:46 +0100, Daniel Roesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:03:15AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When I interview, I start out by asking one or two key questions that
help me quickly get to the truth. For instance at one company, when I
has
Adi Linden writes on 11/10/2003 2:10 PM:
Hi,
Is there a place to discuss and find solutions for email related security
issues?
In this case - contact the bank and report an attempted fraud.
Contact the ISPs whose servers were (ab)used to send out the mail / host
the phish site.
--
srs
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 02:50:47PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Which one? ICMP, UDP or TCP traceroute (to name the usual ones)?
What kind, African, or European? (Woe unto the interviewer who doesn't know. ;)
Exactly what I had in mind... :-)
Unfortunately, those kind of interviews
I once was in a class sitting beside a CCIE that asked me what the command
syntax was. I have no faith in the certified.
-Original Message-
From: Matt Levine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 2:50 PM
To: Daniel Roesen
Cc: Nanog List (E-mail)
Subject: Re: [Re:
Thus spake Brian Bruns [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This is one of those times where either PGP/GPG or these digital ID things
in Outlook/Outlook Express would come in handy. Not that I would expect
normal users to bother to check to see if the sig is legit or not,
considering these are the same people
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Matt Levine wrote:
So what you're saying is you want cisco to certify people's integrity?
:)
Bether them than Belkin.
--
Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Administration - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WestNet: Connecting you to the planet. 805 884-6323 WB6RDV
NetLojix
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/10/03 12:50:47 PM
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 20:27:46 +0100, Daniel Roesen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:03:15AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
When I interview, I start out by asking one or two key questions
that
help me quickly get to the truth. For
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Haesu wrote:
Uhm... I think those ninja bots are in frozen-state. They probably logged off
but their session may have been locked up in router vty. May be its time for
route-views to go another reboot?
Or someone with enable to clear line vty n and if necessary apply
an
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When I interview, I start out by asking one or two key questions that
help me quickly get to the truth. For instance at one company, when I
has hiring NOC folks, I started by asking them to explain traceroute
to me.
Which one? ICMP, UDP or TCP traceroute (to
At 06:17 AM 11/10/2003, Alex Yuriev wrote:
Anyone has any good law enforcement contacts that have enough clue
( or could be educated in process ) to work on catching and nailing DOS
originators?
I have several clueful LEO contacts, but this information will be of no use
to you unless the
As someone who once had a CCIE (5465), and who has encountered many
certified individuals from various certifying organizations, in my
experience, certification proves that the person has the certificate
and little else. It does not prove they are incompetent. It certainly
does not prove they
Now, the problem of finding a good recruiter is substituted for the
problem of finding a good engineer :) The trade-off is good only if
you're planning to hire dozens of engineers, considering monetary costs of
such arrangement. Even better, if you're creating a large org, get a
headhunter on
I agree that the CCIE is no panacea, but of the few dozen I've met there
were only two I wouldn't trust with an enable password.
Vendor certs will always be of limited value as most aim at the needs
of enterprises rather than service providers, and even the couple that don't
have an
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