Re: concern over public peering points [WAS: Peering point speed publicly available?]

2004-07-05 Thread Steve Gibbard
On Sun, 4 Jul 2004, Bill Woodcock wrote: Go back and think about the purpose of an exchange: it's an economic optimization over transit. It's the value-add that lets someone who buys transit sell a service that's of greater value yet lesser cost than what they buy. Now, what's an exchange

Re: concern over public peering points

2004-07-05 Thread Niels Bakker
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Gibbard) [Mon 05 Jul 2004, 10:19 CEST]: [..] The performance arguments are probably more controversial. The arguments are that shortening the path between two networks increases performance, and that removing an extra network in the middle increases reliability.

Re: concern over public peering points [WAS: Peering point speed publicly available?]

2004-07-05 Thread Joe Provo
On Sat, Jul 03, 2004 at 09:24:17PM +0200, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: On Sat, 3 Jul 2004, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote: [snip] IXes are not for top carriers ^^^ Like the economy, perhaps this is different in .se. But this is NAnog to which you are sending the message,

Re: Sipura VoIP phone adapters and DoS against name servers

2004-07-05 Thread Randy Bush
After analyzing the DNS lookups, we found that all of the extra traffic was generated from customers of a local VoIP provider which uses Sipura (SPA-2000) phone adapters. i just cross-posted your msg to an internal sipura beta testers' list randy

Re: Sipura VoIP phone adapters and DoS against name servers

2004-07-05 Thread Henry Linneweh
Get in contact with manufacturing vender for a fix, and then tell us what they did or what they intend to do to remedy the problem. -Henry --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last night we configured our equipment to reject recursive DNS lookups from non-customers. This morning, soon after

Re: Sipura VoIP phone adapters and DoS against name servers

2004-07-05 Thread sthaug
Get in contact with manufacturing vender for a fix, and then tell us what they did or what they intend to do to remedy the problem. We have already suggested this to the local VoIP provider. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Sipura VoIP phone adapters and DoS against name servers

2004-07-05 Thread Matthew Crocker
\Get in contact with manufacturing vender for a fix, and then tell us what they did or what they intend to do to remedy the problem. We have already suggested this to the local VoIP provider. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, [EMAIL PROTECTED] I guess the real question is why was the local VoIP

Re: Sipura VoIP phone adapters and DoS against name servers

2004-07-05 Thread sthaug
I guess the real question is why was the local VoIP provider giving the phones your DNS IP? Should they have been using their own DNS server? As to why, we don't know. They *will* be using their own DNS servers soon, however :-) Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: concern over public peering points [WAS: Peering point speed publicly available?]

2004-07-05 Thread joe mcguckin
On 7/5/04 1:18 AM, Steve Gibbard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The performance arguments are probably more controversial. The arguments are that shortening the path between two networks increases performance, and that removing an extra network in the middle increases reliability. The first

Re: concern over public peering points [WAS: Peering point speed publicly available?]

2004-07-05 Thread vijay gill
On Mon, Jul 05, 2004 at 10:55:42AM -0700, joe mcguckin wrote: $5000 for an ethernet switch port? It makes me long for the days of throwing ethernet cables over the ceiling to informally peer with other networks in a Throwing ethernet cables over the ceiling does not scale. /vijay

Announcing a /19 from a /16

2004-07-05 Thread Eric Pylko
Hi- I'm working on a project within a large corporation and asked their network folks about getting a /19 from one of their /16s. I wanted it to avoid NAT and any possible overlapping from using RFC1918 addresses. This project gets connected to the internet at different times throughout the

RE: Announcing a /19 from a /16

2004-07-05 Thread Michael Hallgren
-Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] De la part de Eric Pylko Envoyé : lundi 5 juillet 2004 22:02 À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Announcing a /19 from a /16 Hi- I'm working on a project within a large corporation and asked their network

RE: Announcing a /19 from a /16

2004-07-05 Thread Michael Hallgren
Hi- I'm working on a project within a large corporation and asked their network folks about getting a /19 from one of their /16s. I wanted it to avoid NAT and any possible overlapping from using RFC1918 addresses. This project gets connected to the internet at different

Re: Announcing a /19 from a /16

2004-07-05 Thread James
The response I got back was that this was impossible since ISPs require an announcement of the /16 the /19 would come from. I have done work with ISPs before (and have read the NANOG list for many years) but haven't heard of such a requirement nor can I find any standards that indicate the

Re: concern over public peering points

2004-07-05 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Mon, 5 Jul 2004, Niels Bakker wrote: The correct phrasing is indeed one less network and not one less router. It's rarely one device in my experience. I'm not sure the number of routers matters much anymore, with more and more MPLS deployment you can't be sure that the path from A to B

Re: concern over public peering points [WAS: Peering point speed publicly available?]

2004-07-05 Thread Patrick W Gilmore
On Jul 5, 2004, at 2:02 PM, vijay gill wrote: On Mon, Jul 05, 2004 at 10:55:42AM -0700, joe mcguckin wrote: $5000 for an ethernet switch port? It makes me long for the days of throwing ethernet cables over the ceiling to informally peer with other networks in a Throwing ethernet cables over the

Re: concern over public peering points [WAS: Peering point speed publicly available?]

2004-07-05 Thread Tony Li
On Jul 5, 2004, at 5:00 PM, Patrick W Gilmore wrote: On Jul 5, 2004, at 2:02 PM, vijay gill wrote: Throwing ethernet cables over the ceiling does not scale. Sure it does. The question is: How far does it scale? Nothing scales to infinity, and very, very few things do not scale past the

Re: concern over public peering points [WAS: Peering point speed publicly available?]

2004-07-05 Thread Paul Vixie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (vijay gill) writes: Throwing ethernet cables over the ceiling does not scale. i think it's important to distinguish between things aol and uunet don't think are good for aol and uunet and things that aren't good for anybody. what i found through my PAIX experience is that

mid-mount server rails

2004-07-05 Thread Christopher J. Wolff
Hi Nanogers If I have a two post relay rack, could you advise on any generic rails that could be used to 'mid-mount' a 1-4U server on that two port rack? Thank you. Regards, Christopher J. Wolff VP CIO Broadband Laboratories, Inc. http://www.bblabs.com

Re: concern over public peering points [WAS: Peering point speed publicly available?]

2004-07-05 Thread Patrick W Gilmore
On Jul 5, 2004, at 8:35 PM, Tony Li wrote: On Jul 5, 2004, at 5:00 PM, Patrick W Gilmore wrote: On Jul 5, 2004, at 2:02 PM, vijay gill wrote: Throwing ethernet cables over the ceiling does not scale. Sure it does. The question is: How far does it scale? Nothing scales to infinity, and very,

Re: concern over public peering points [WAS: Peering point speed publicly available?]

2004-07-05 Thread vijay gill
On Tue, Jul 06, 2004 at 01:43:14AM +, Paul Vixie wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (vijay gill) writes: Throwing ethernet cables over the ceiling does not scale. i think it's important to distinguish between things aol and uunet don't think are good for aol and uunet and things that aren't

Re: concern over public peering points [WAS: Peering point speed publicly available?]

2004-07-05 Thread Hannigan, Martin
Kind of summarizes why we are still heavy on the best effort side of the equation. -M Regards, -- Martin Hannigan (c) 617-388-2663 VeriSign, Inc. (w) 703-948-7018 http://www.verisign.com/

Re: concern over public peering points [WAS: Peering point speed publicly available?]

2004-07-05 Thread Paul Vixie
i've been told that if i ran a tier-1 i would lose my love for the vni/pni approach, which i think scales quite nicely even when it involves an ethernet cable through the occasional ceiling. perhaps i'll eat these words when and if that promotion comes through. meanwhile,

Proxy scanning for spam

2004-07-05 Thread Christopher J. Wolff
Hello, If I have a network segment connected to a BGP peer, is there a way that I can hang a box of some kind off of that segment that will sniff out and block malicious/spam email before it hits the customers? Regards, Christopher J. Wolff VP CIO Broadband Laboratories, Inc.

Re: Proxy scanning for spam

2004-07-05 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Mon, 5 Jul 2004, Christopher J. Wolff wrote: Hello, If I have a network segment connected to a BGP peer, is there a way that I can hang a box of some kind off of that segment that will sniff out and block malicious/spam email before it hits the customers? Do you mean a host that can

RE: Proxy scanning for spam

2004-07-05 Thread Christopher J. Wolff
Christopher, I meant option #1. -Original Message- From: Christopher L. Morrow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 10:36 PM To: Christopher J. Wolff Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Proxy scanning for spam On Mon, 5 Jul 2004, Christopher J. Wolff wrote: Hello,