On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Michel Py wrote:
> > Matthew McGehrin wrote:
> > Tell her to kiss my white ass.
>
> Be careful what you wish for. This is exactly what politicians do for a
> living, and some happen to have a strong enough tongue to rip you a new
> one.
Remeber she's from the PRK too!
A grade
> Matthew McGehrin wrote:
> Tell her to kiss my white ass.
Be careful what you wish for. This is exactly what politicians do for a
living, and some happen to have a strong enough tongue to rip you a new
one.
Michel.
On 8/23/04 9:12 AM, "Irwin Lazar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> One other word of advice, hotel space in this area has been pretty hard to
> come by in recent months, book early or you may find that the closest
> available room is in Maryland or at a resort like Landsdowne.
>
> Also, there are
Is the problem P2P? Or is the problem copyright infringement?
The problem is the U.S. Congress thinking it has control or authority to
legislate anything on the Internet. At some point, the law is going to
have to recognize that the Internet is an international phenomenon, and,
that localized or
You're staring in on a good point. What happens when this backfires,
and they mis-define (or badly define) P2P traffic? What if it is so
broad that any traffic routed from one point to another is illegal?
What if my dark fiber is against federal law? Who would fight for or
against that? Would
On 2004-08-30T16:33-0700, Bora Akyol wrote:
) I think we need to define what P2P is before we can address this.
I don't know that such authority exists. "Peer to peer networking" has
existed as a term for a lot longer than your post seems to imply.
) P2P I would define as distributed file shari
Kazaa, Gnutella, ...
Without getting stuck in the specifics, is there a change
in usage patterns and bandwidth requirements with
the current gen P2P services?
If not, then Sean's point is valid/
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Da
>
> Sorry, was it possible to search for a file from > millions of storage
> nodes
> in IRC?
Yes, not that millions of storage nodes were connected...
Napster was more or less a glorified version of IRC w/DCC, that's why it
was centralized for searching.
Anyways, we all know the biggest P2P b
With bots that were widely available at the time, yes.
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On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Bora Akyol wrote:
> Sorry, was it possible to search for a file from > millions of storage
Sorry, was it possible to search for a file from > millions of storage
nodes
in IRC?
Bora
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Dennis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 5:04 PM
> To: Bora Akyol
> Cc: 'Martin J. Levy'; 'Sean Donelan'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE:
/dcc send filename
peer to peer sharing, on irc, since 1991.
Napster simply implemented the IRC protocol's DCC function,
with a better command set / GUI.
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On Mon, 3
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, Simon Lyall wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Mark Borchers wrote:
> > Everybody's entitled to their opinion, but this excerpt from
> > http://www.ietf.org/ietf/IPR//VRRP-CISCO does not seem to me
> > to portend predatory pricing:
>
> However it does make an open source (and cert
On Mon, Aug 30, 2004 at 07:24:11PM -0400, Joe Provo wrote:
> > Anyone knows who filters these days?
>
> Lots of folks; manually though? Few. Be sure your data is accurate in
> [a trusted limb of] the IRR and it should be a non-issue.
But only then. Only IRRs where the IP address allocation i
On Mon, Aug 30, 2004 at 09:44:09PM +0300, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
>
> > D/DoS is a fact of life that happens continuously non-stop. FBI intervening
> > here probably may have certain effect in general atmosphere among the
> > packet kiddies, but there is no solid data that says DDoS attacks have
>
I think we need to define what P2P is before we can address this.
IMHO, P2P started with NAPSTER, yes before that there was WWW, gopher,
ftp,
files by email, bitnet, x/y/z modem, bbs (dating myself here),
but the large scale bandwidth usage that is seen started with NAPSTER.
P2P I would define
> NSRC (http://www.nsrc.org/) does that, as does PCH. Both are 501(c)(3)
> non-profit in the US
while nsrc has been doing this for about 18 years, it is not 501c3.
but the tax angle can be handled. write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you
have useful equipment to donate. [ and yes, 75xx are useful to
On Mon, Aug 30, 2004 at 02:33:21PM -0700, Gregory Hicks wrote:
> Actually...
>
> The "collision" problem discovered means that there might be MULTIPLE 680MB
> files that give the same checksum.
>
> Of course, the utility of most of these files would be an exercise left to
> the 'cracker' i
[copius snips]
On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 11:16:40AM -0400, Patrick W Gilmore wrote:
> On Aug 27, 2004, at 8:58 AM, Joe Abley wrote:
> >On 27 Aug 2004, at 08:13, Rick Lowery wrote:
> >>I know?they would not be?good Internet citizen, but?if they needed to
> >>do this for a temp basis does anyone see
Sean,
>There were lots of FTP mirrors around.
>Every Sun workstation could have a Anonymous FTP. Of course, the problem
>was every Sun workstation could be an Anonymous FTP :-)
... but you forgot to mention that filtering and firewalls and NAT were not in common
use, hence everywhere was acces
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Bora Akyol wrote:
> Traffic patterns is one thing for sure.
> P2P should be lopsided the other way around. More outbound,
> than inbound. or at best symetric.
> Regular browsing is asymmetric with more inbound
> than outbound.
The Internet pre-dates the Web. In 1992, FTP was
> Verio filtering had nothing to do with Randy leaving.
ymmv
A method like P2P (and BT's swarming in particular) allowed this file to
spread without overtaxing the bandwidth of the person or organization
distributing it.
Frankly, in a day when news organizations are forced to think about any
negative impacts of their reporting on their parent corp's age
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:33:21 -0700 (PDT), Gregory Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> I recall even seeing posts about people claiming this meant original data
>> being reconstructed from the checksum! That would be truly amazing since I
>> could reconstruct a 680MB ISO from just 61d38fad42b4
Hi Anshuman,
Hopefully i can help you a bit here - I've been involved in the data
centre industry here since 1998, when I helped set up the first true IDC
(Globalcenter Australia) in Australia.
1. Transit back to the US can be pricey, depending on the quality of
bandwidth and the carrier. I'm mo
While I agree with everything you said, Scott, I think that is exactly the
kind of application that Feinstein is looking to quash. Her agenda has
been very pro-corporate control anti-free speech, anti-individual since she
took office. The only thing she seems more opposed to is anyone besides
her
Traffic patterns is one thing for sure.
P2P should be lopsided the other way around. More outbound,
than inbound. or at best symetric.
Regular browsing is asymmetric with more inbound
than outbound.
Have people been tracking changes in the traffic patterns
since the advent of P2P.
Bora
>
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:31:12 -0400, Jeff Wheeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> p2p is different due to its decentralization. in other words, what
> once required a server to do can now be done by anyone sitting in
> front of their home computer. it in a way revitalized the idea of
> every compu
On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 07:17:22AM +1200, Simon Lyall wrote:
>
> On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Mark Borchers wrote:
> > Peter Galbavy wrote:
> > >
> > > On the other hand, the use of patent licenses (like those
> > > that say "free if
> > > you don't claim against us") for things like VRRP do worry me.
> >
Gregory Hicks wrote:
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 16:39:56 -0400
From: Mike Tancsa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
At 04:12 PM 30/08/2004, Dan Hollis wrote:
yep md5 made the news recently because it's been cracked:
http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-22-5314533.html
http://www.rtfm.com/movabletype/archives/2004_08.ht
At 05:03 PM 08/30/04 -0400, Sean Donelan wrote:
I've always wondered what really makes P2P different from anything else on
the Internet? From the service provider's point of view, users accessing
CNN.COM is a peer-to-peer activity between the user and CNN. From the
service provider's point of
On 30-aug-04, at 23:31, Jeff Wheeler wrote:
the problem is that while in the 'real world' this wasn't a big issue
(a user giving away copies of the latest CD they bought from their
front porch wasn't likely able to distribute it to too many people,
and it cost them money to do it) on the 'net it
> So I would like some professional expert opinion to
> give her on this issue since it will effect the
> copyright inducement bill. Real benefits for
> production and professional usage of this technology.
We have no idea what the benefits of P2P are going to be or what the
technology i
Scott Call wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Mike Tancsa wrote:
I recall even seeing posts about people claiming this meant original
data being reconstructed from the checksum! That would be truly
amazing since I could reconstruct a 680MB ISO from just
61d38fad42b4037970338636b5e72e5a. Wow!
Technica
> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 16:39:56 -0400
> From: Mike Tancsa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> At 04:12 PM 30/08/2004, Dan Hollis wrote:
>
> >yep md5 made the news recently because it's been cracked:
> >
> >http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-22-5314533.html
> >http://www.rtfm.com/movabletype/archives/2004_0
p2p is different due to its decentralization. in other words, what
once required a server to do can now be done by anyone sitting in front
of their home computer. it in a way revitalized the idea of every
computer on the 'net being it's own host - capable of serving up
whatever the user wishe
At 05:10 PM 30/08/2004, Scott Call wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Mike Tancsa wrote:
I recall even seeing posts about people claiming this meant original data
being reconstructed from the checksum! That would be truly amazing since
I could reconstruct a 680MB ISO from just
61d38fad42b4037970338636
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Fred Baker wrote:
>
> I think you just tripped across the difference between a user and an SP.
> SPs don't generally have 28 KBPS dial links between them and their
> upstream, and folks that have 28 KBPS dial uplinks don't generally host
> Akamai servers. Assuming that just b
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Mike Tancsa wrote:
I recall even seeing posts about people claiming this meant original data
being reconstructed from the checksum! That would be truly amazing since I
could reconstruct a 680MB ISO from just 61d38fad42b4037970338636b5e72e5a.
Wow!
Technically, using an Infin
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Fred Baker wrote:
> This kind of a "you're different and therefore wrong" mismatch has made
> complete hash out of quite a variety of discussions concerning user
> experience and user requirements on the Internet. Please listen carefully
> when someone talks about having limit
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Dan Hollis wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, james edwards wrote:
Not true. For those of us who host Akamai servers, we could download SP2
with no problems. We did not need P2P, or MSDN. In fact, I would be very
reluctant to trust a Windows update downloaded via P2P.
Have you hear
Henry,
> So I would like some professional expert opinion to
> give her on this issue since it will effect the
> copyright inducement bill. Real benefits for
> production and professional usage of this technology.
I'm sure you'll hear this from many other people, but one thing that I always
try
At 04:12 PM 30/08/2004, Dan Hollis wrote:
yep md5 made the news recently because it's been cracked:
http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-22-5314533.html
http://www.rtfm.com/movabletype/archives/2004_08.html#001055
Thats a misleading over simplification. A collision being found implies
something diffe
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:27:12 -0700 (PDT), Henry Linneweh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> So I would like some professional expert opinion to
> give her on this issue since it will effect the
> copyright inducement bill. Real benefits for
> production and professional usage of this technology.
In m
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Len Sassaman wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Aug 2004, Pekka Savola wrote:
>
> > The America is not what it used to be. Welcome to the 21st century.
> >
> > Have those guys rotting at Guantanamo been proven guilty? What was
> > the deal with Sklyarov (http://www.freesklyarov.org/)? Etc
I think you just tripped across the difference between a user and an SP.
SPs don't generally have 28 KBPS dial links between them and their
upstream, and folks that have 28 KBPS dial uplinks don't generally host
Akamai servers. Assuming that just because you have effectively-infinite
bandwidth
Tell her to kiss my white ass. She can ask the FBI. Since they are the
experts when it comes to P2P.
- Original Message -
From: "Henry Linneweh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 2:27 PM
Subject: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P
So
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Dan Hollis wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Petri Helenius wrote:
> > Byron L. Hicks wrote:
> > >Not true. For those of us who host Akamai servers, we could download SP2
> > >with no problems. We did not need P2P, or MSDN. In fact, I would be very
> > >reluctant to trust a Win
On 30-aug-04, at 22:08, Dan Hollis wrote:
recall that feinstein is one of the loudest anti-p2p legislators.
i am not sure anyone should be helping her.
Security by obscurity?
Thats SHA0.
Still a checksum is a checksum, cracked or not.
- Original Message -
From: "Dan Hollis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "james edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Byron L. Hicks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Jeff Wheeler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
"Henry Linneweh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PRO
http://www.fbi.gov/priorities/priorities.htm
1. Protect the United States from terrorist attack.
2. Protect the United States against foreign intelligence operations and
espionage.
3. Protect the United States against cyber-based attacks and high-technology
crimes.
4. Combat public corruption at
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, james edwards wrote:
> > Not true. For those of us who host Akamai servers, we could download SP2
> > with no problems. We did not need P2P, or MSDN. In fact, I would be very
> > reluctant to trust a Windows update downloaded via P2P.
> Have you heard of MD5 sum ?
yep md5
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Petri Helenius wrote:
> Byron L. Hicks wrote:
> >Not true. For those of us who host Akamai servers, we could download SP2
> >with no problems. We did not need P2P, or MSDN. In fact, I would be very
> >reluctant to trust a Windows update downloaded via P2P.
> How is the p2p
> Not true. For those of us who host Akamai servers, we could download SP2
> with no problems. We did not need P2P, or MSDN. In fact, I would be very
> reluctant to trust a Windows update downloaded via P2P.
Have you heard of MD5 sum ?
--
James H. Edwards
Routing and Security Administrator
Byron L. Hicks wrote:
Not true. For those of us who host Akamai servers, we could download SP2
with no problems. We did not need P2P, or MSDN. In fact, I would be very
reluctant to trust a Windows update downloaded via P2P.
How is the p2p checksum different from any other checksum on the file
> In fact, I would be very
> reluctant to trust a Windows update downloaded via P2P.
>
why?
Not only were there many sources all showing the same MD5 hash (and for
the time being, we can still trust MD5...) BUT it was also digitally
signed by Microsoft which was easily verifiable.
Then again
On 30-aug-04, at 20:27, Henry Linneweh wrote:
So I would like some professional expert opinion to
give her on this issue since it will effect the
copyright inducement bill. Real benefits for
production and professional usage of this technology.
Peer to peer technology has the potential to allow ind
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Vixie) writes:
> ... four times in the last two months, a "life flight" helicopter has ...
oops, five times. the helicopter engine noise i was listening to while
typing the above, turned out to be another red one from stanford hospital.
my apologies to anyone who was c
It's not not OT, or about politics.
It's not about they are guilty or not since I Don't
care.
It's about that "the FBI finally cares, and will bust
the script kiddies."
This will scare them and will decrease the DDoS
attacks from now and on.
So ISPs and NSPs should work more with FBI and such
It's not not OT, or about politics.
It's not about they are guilty or not since I Don't
care.
It's about that "the FBI finally cares, and will bust
the script kiddies."
This will scare them and will decrease the DDoS
attacks from now and on.
So ISPs and NSPs should work more with FBI and such
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