Matthew == Matthew Kaufman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Matthew The truth is, it doesn't even need to be a case of grandma
Matthew listed in the whois (though that is a legitimate issue these
Matthew days). If as an ISP, I list Bob's Flower Market (which has
Matthew a DSL line and IP addresses
Nicole wrote:
So.. I guess we will be cranking out those H1b's...Plan to kiss your
raises
and or jobs bye bye to some specialized cheap imported Cisco trained
networking person from China.
There is an implicit assumption here that the objective of 100% of these
trainees will be to move as
On Fri, 2004-09-24 at 03:53, Joseph wrote:
Its time for all American Tech workers to stand up and let our voices
be heard.
Perhaps it's time instead to make sure you're good at what you do and
try to be on the forefront of tech, rather than whining about how all
those bad people from abroad
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From: Erik Haagsman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Joseph [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 5:59 AM
Subject: RE: Cisco moves even more to china.
On Fri, 2004-09-24 at 03:53, Joseph wrote:
Its time for all American Tech workers to
Its time for all
American Tech workers to stand up and let our voices be heard.
Yes, definitely. Emigrate to the countries where the jobs are
going to. Learn to speak a new language if necessary, after all
you are all smart people, right? Learning a new human language
only takes a couple of
Hello Erik,
Although I agree with you on many points I think its time people stop complaining and take action. My point was not to idly complain about the outsourcing trend and claim that protectionism is the answer but, to ask if there is a better way to deal with the long term trend for ALL of
So list yourself as the contact (but not the network owner) rather
than him.
I see no reason why there should not be some flexibility in the whois
data regarding who is listed as a contact for what purpose, the extent
of information required for listed contacts, etc.
I proposed a revision
Then you all need to stop purchasing from Dell, IBM, HP, Cisco, et al.
They've all outsourced quite a bit to the third world. 90% of the parts
for any of this stuff come from Asia. The US has lost more
manufacturing jobs in the last 3 years then the previous 22. There are
18% fewer tech
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Too Late
CDL drivers are already outsourced a couple of years ago we agreed to
allow Mexican trucking firms access to the entire CONUS. Before that they
were limited to 100 Miles from the border.
Become a mechanic or plumber instead...
Scott C. McGrath
On Thu, 23
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Curtis Maurand
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
The way to fix things is to remove the incentives to move the jobs
overseas in the first place.
So are you suggesting wages (and standard of living) in America are
reduced to the level of those in the 3rd world?
--
Roland
Hi Joseph,
On Fri, 2004-09-24 at 13:19, Joseph wrote:
Your perception of Americans I think is very skewed by the media.
You obviously did not read my post and wanted take a cheap shot.
Although this is hardly the place to discuss this, I never said
Americans, I said we. I'm Dutch, and we've
Yeah, but don't they already have a company over there that
is producing Cisco stuff? Or did I mis-read a lawsuit?
Cisco don't have a choice, they are starting to see the
competition from Chinese companies already - they need to
reduce the cost of manufacturing so that they can stay
The way to fix things is to remove the incentives to move the jobs
overseas in the first place.
So are you suggesting wages (and standard of living) in America are
reduced to the level of those in the 3rd world?
Hmmm...
A beginning software engineer in Bangalore makes 15,000 Rupees
per
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004, Joseph wrote:
Modern capitalism does create a race to the bottom effect for labor
which seems to have no end.
This race exists because of imbalances in prosperity in world. The
ultimate effect will be to completely level standard of living in the
world, which in the greater
Neil J. McRae wrote:
www.huawei.com
I've recently see one of Huawei's 1760 alternative boxes and
the build quality is fantastic.
As a matter of fact, Huawei outsources a lot of its coding / design to
their sei-cmm5 certified operation in Bangalore, India, and its shenzhen
campus has at least a
In article
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
If you really want to try and stop the wave, go ahead,
but I think you should do that work elsewhere.
I'm all in favour of enhancing the wave; but who is worst off, the
American engineer who fears the day he can't afford the payments on his
Great...So Cisco is turning into the Nike of technology.
I can't wait to see 11 year olds building routers that sell for $1.5 million
USD, while getting paid 7 cents/hour.
[Thu, Sep 23, 2004 at 04:49:11PM -0700]
Nicole Inscribed these words...
Lovely, Just lovely. Just heard On
I just find the whole idea of Cisco amusing, they still sell new
7500 series routers for 6 figures with the right configurations, and
they've been around for 10 years, in what other industry can you take a
product that is a decade old, hasn't advanced in technology, and still
sell them
On Fri, Sep 24, 2004 at 10:45:01AM -0400, Drew Weaver wrote:
I just find the whole idea of Cisco amusing, they still sell new
7500 series routers for 6 figures with the right configurations, and
they've been around for 10 years, in what other industry can you take a
product that is a decade
Outsourcing is a way of life. It is a result of free trade policy. It has
been happening for a long time in the other industries. There are very real
benefits to the outsourcing. It helps keep our cost of living down (I live
in California). On the other hand, it is very hard on the folks whose
Then you all need to stop purchasing from Dell, IBM, HP, Cisco, et al.
Of course. Don't purchase from DELL, purchase from ServersDirect.
Don't purchase from HP, purchase (for home) from brand-less or E-Machine.
Don't purchase from EMC, purchase from Adap. Are any idiots here, who
purchase CA
Without getting into the entire conceptual argument about
capitalism in general and why some semi-sane economic decisions are
made... What is it that makes you think that boycotting a company
(particularly one the size or deployment of Cisco and/or Juniper) would make
someone say "oh, I'm
Nicole wrote:
Lovely, Just lovely. Just heard On CNN, Lou Dobbs. (but can't find it on
their site)
Well if Lou Dobbs said it on the air, then it must be true...
The current wave of outsourcing is driven by greed and greed alone.
What's going on now would make Gordon Gekko blush. There is nothing
stopping the companies from paying the workers in India or China the
prevailing wage in the developed countries which would really accelerate
growth in these
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On Fri, 24 Sep 2004, Robin Lynn Frank wrote:
This race exists because of imbalances in prosperity in world.
This race exists because governments beholden to corporate interests,
permit it to exist.
No, with free trade, it exists because of imbalance.
Unless of course you are completely against
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On 2004-09-24, at 00.18, Joe Abley wrote:
On 23 Sep 2004, at 18:06, Matt Ghali wrote:
Effectively none.
APNIC has always served out unverified and obvious garbage from their
whois servers.
And they are different from every other RIR in this
On 24-Sep-04 the GW commando coersion squad reported Peter Galbavy said :
Nicole wrote:
So.. I guess we will be cranking out those H1b's...Plan to kiss your
raises
and or jobs bye bye to some specialized cheap imported Cisco trained
networking person from China.
There is an implicit
Thus spake Nicole [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 24-Sep-04 the GW commando coersion squad reported Peter Galbavy said :
Nicole wrote:
So.. I guess we will be cranking out those H1b's...Plan to kiss your
raises
and or jobs bye bye to some specialized cheap imported Cisco trained
networking person from China.
Does anyone have a ballpark figure for how much of what's currently in
the routing table is provider independent? Are there systematic
variations in PI IP availability between ARIN, RIPE, and APNIC?
thanks,
Tom
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