Re: i've got an extra hotel room for nanog-dc -- anybody need it?

2004-10-15 Thread Patrick
On Fri, 15 Oct 2004, Paul Vixie wrote: ... tell the hotel to put the room in your name and you can call them and give them a credit card number. as-of: Fri Oct 15 18:11:14 GMT 2004. at "Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:20:30 -0400", patrick gilmore got this room. next time, though, i ought to get a couple of

Re: aggregation & table entries

2004-10-15 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Fri, 15 Oct 2004, Paul Vixie wrote: > > > > > > And what do you do with a BGP customer which sends you traffic > > > > > from prefixes he doesn't want to announce to you? There are such > > > > > customers. Fail filter ACL? > > > > > > > > This has been my question with uRPF from the beginni

Re: aggregation & table entries

2004-10-15 Thread Paul Vixie
> > > > And what do you do with a BGP customer which sends you traffic > > > > from prefixes he doesn't want to announce to you? There are such > > > > customers. Fail filter ACL? > > > > > > This has been my question with uRPF from the beginning. You can > > > solve this on for some networks, bu

Re: i've got an extra hotel room for nanog-dc -- anybody need it?

2004-10-15 Thread Paul Vixie
> ... tell the hotel to put the room in your name and you can call them > and give them a credit card number. as-of: Fri Oct 15 18:11:14 GMT 2004. at "Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:20:30 -0400", patrick gilmore got this room. next time, though, i ought to get a couple of extra rooms and then auction them

Re: why upload with adsl is faster than 100M ethernet ?

2004-10-15 Thread sergei
tcptrace with xplot or jplot could help you out debuging this issue. http://jarok.cs.ohiou.edu/software/tcptrace/useful.html _sergei On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:11:36 -0700, Alexei Roudnev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > CAR does not work like a regular link; no way. It works like a link with 0 > b

Re: aggregation & table entries

2004-10-15 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Fri, 15 Oct 2004, Paul Vixie wrote: > > > > And what do you do with a BGP customer which sends you traffic from > > > prefixes he doesn't want to announce to you? There are such customers. > > > Fail filter ACL? > > > > This has been my question with uRPF from the beginning. You can solve thi

Informal public hotspot BoF/lunch at 12:15 Monday in the RegencyFoyer (we'll try to move to a local eatery after we gather)

2004-10-15 Thread Dan Ellis
Hi all.   I am Dan Ellis, CTO of PenTeleData.  We are a regional ISP/communications company owned by 7 cable and telephone companies, responsible for 150k+ broadband subscribers and associated IP infrastructures.  Like many MSO's, we are looking at rolling out a large (300-500+ AP) distributed

Seeking Technical Input from Metro Ethernet Providers and MAN-like Enterprise Users

2004-10-15 Thread Robert Hayden
Good day, As many of you know, I am a network engineer at the University of Wisconsin, Madison. We are currently in the preliminary planning stages of our next generation campus network and would like to get some ideas on what the "real world" is actively doing to focus in on the appropriate te

i've got an extra hotel room for nanog-dc -- anybody need it?

2004-10-15 Thread Paul Vixie
i got the room just before the deadline, it's in the nanog/arin hotel, but i'm not going to make it to DC after all. first come first served; if you wanted to be in the conference hotel but missed the deadline, i can tell the hotel to put the room in your name and you can call them and give them

Weekly Routing Table Report

2004-10-15 Thread Routing Table Analysis
This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. Daily listings are sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any comments please contact Philip Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. Routing Table Report 04:00 +10GMT Sat 16 Oct, 2004

Re: why upload with adsl is faster than 100M ethernet ?

2004-10-15 Thread Alexei Roudnev
CAR does not work like a regular link; no way. It works like a link with 0 buffer size. Problem is that CAR drops packets which override bandwidth, do not query them (and do not prioritize them), so it use TCP adaptation to the packet drop, not to the delay/rtt. This thing works fine with drop l

Re: why upload with adsl is faster than 100M ethernet ?

2004-10-15 Thread Alex Bligh
--On 15 October 2004 12:31 -0400 Andy Dills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If the desire is to provide a simulated circuit with "x" bandwidth, CAR does a great job, IFF you correctly size the burst: 1.5x/8 for the normal burst, 3x/8 for the max burst. The aggregate rate of the transfer is "x" in all t

Re: why upload with adsl is faster than 100M ethernet ?

2004-10-15 Thread Andy Dills
On Fri, 15 Oct 2004, Alex Bligh wrote: > I can support what Iljisch said. > > In a former life I ran extensive tests on the effect of CAR on TCP (no > longer have the data to publish, but it's out there), and it's "just plain > broken" - if your purpose is to simulate a lower amount of bandwidth

Re: why upload with adsl is faster than 100M ethernet ?

2004-10-15 Thread Alex Bligh
--On 15 October 2004 11:46 -0400 Andy Dills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hmm...I'd have to disagree. Are you perhaps assuming a certain threshold (>100mbps, for instance)? I use rate limiting for some of my customers, and when correctly configured (you _must_ use the right burst sizes), you will get

Re: aggregation & table entries

2004-10-15 Thread Paul Vixie
> > And what do you do with a BGP customer which sends you traffic from > > prefixes he doesn't want to announce to you? There are such customers. > > Fail filter ACL? > > This has been my question with uRPF from the beginning. You can solve this > on for some networks, but it doesn't scale very

Re: why upload with adsl is faster than 100M ethernet ?

2004-10-15 Thread Andy Dills
On Fri, 15 Oct 2004, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > However, the cause can also be rate limiting. Rate limiting is deadly > for TCP performance so it shouldn't be used on TCP traffic. Hmm...I'd have to disagree. Are you perhaps assuming a certain threshold (>100mbps, for instance)? I use rate li

VoIP peering technology review: request for information

2004-10-15 Thread John Todd
I'd like to review any methods by which operators are currently exchanging e.164 telephony route information between VoIP systems (excluding SS7.) In the last ~1 year, I have not heard of any significant changes in the manner in which routes are exchanged; the typical method still seems to be

NANOG 32 PGP key signing announcement

2004-10-15 Thread John Kristoff
For those that have added your PGP key to the keyring at biglumber, thank you. If you have not yet submitted your key, please do so, and know that you can safely ignore the remainder of this message. At NANOG 32 we will be trying out a new, hopefully greatly improved method for signing keys for

Re: why upload with adsl is faster than 100M ethernet ?

2004-10-15 Thread Marc Binderberger
On Oct 15, 2004, at 14:24 Uhr, Alex Bligh wrote: I can't remember what the tool is now, but there used to be a tool which worked like ping but sent a udp stream at a given rate per second and told you about packet drops, iperf? (works for both, tcp and udp) Regards, Marc -- Marc Binderberger

Re: why upload with adsl is faster than 100M ethernet ?

2004-10-15 Thread Gordon
Alex Bligh wrote: --On 15 October 2004 13:33 +0200 Iljitsch van Beijnum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: However, the cause can also be rate limiting. Rate limiting is deadly for TCP performance so it shouldn't be used on TCP traffic. Add "unless appropriate shaping is performed prior to the rate-li

Re: I-D on operational MTU/fragmentation issues in tunneling

2004-10-15 Thread Joe Maimon
Stephen J. Wilcox wrote: On Thu, 14 Oct 2004, Joe Maimon wrote: Sabri Berisha wrote: On Mon, Oct 11, 2004 at 11:12:55AM +0300, Pekka Savola wrote: With the risk of stating the obvious I would say that normally, PMTUD should do the trick. On todays internet everything is more relia

RE: why upload with adsl is faster than 100M ethernet ?

2004-10-15 Thread Mike McSpedon
I've used QCheck (freeware) for testing response time, TCP and UDP performance, and packet loss. Works well. You need to install the enpoint on the target machine. Check out: http://www.ixiacom.com/products/performance_applications/pa_display.php?skey =pa_q_check -Mike McSpedon Arrow Global Data

Re: why upload with adsl is faster than 100M ethernet ?

2004-10-15 Thread Alex Bligh
--On 15 October 2004 13:33 +0200 Iljitsch van Beijnum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: However, the cause can also be rate limiting. Rate limiting is deadly for TCP performance so it shouldn't be used on TCP traffic. Add "unless appropriate shaping is performed prior to the rate-limiting with the para

The Cidr Report

2004-10-15 Thread cidr-report
This report has been generated at Fri Oct 15 21:44:38 2004 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of an AS4637 (Reach) router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org/as4637 for a current version of this report. Recent Table Hist

Re: why upload with adsl is faster than 100M ethernet ?

2004-10-15 Thread Jay Hennigan
On Fri, 15 Oct 2004, Joe Shen wrote: > > Hi, > > the network path is: > > > |-(ADSL)\ > customer/ --Edge_router---...---Japan > Server > \-(100Methernet)-/ > > > So, from edge_router to Japan server the path is > identical. > > Yes. But, for ftp TCP contr

Re: why upload with adsl is faster than 100M ethernet ?

2004-10-15 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 15-okt-04, at 12:04, Joe Shen wrote: Your explanation on TCP behavior seems reasonable, but why TCP over fast access line express so much packet loss than slow access line ? Do WindowsXP/Win2k determine its startup sending window according to access speed or path MTU ? I don't think there is muc

Re: why upload with adsl is faster than 100M ethernet ?

2004-10-15 Thread Joe Shen
> > It's generally a bad idea to turn of ethernet > autonegotiation unless > the equipment at the other side doesn't support it. > Yes, we've checked the configuration, both access router interface and customer's ethernet interface are forced to be (100Mbsp, full duplex). And, there is no CRC

Re: I-D on operational MTU/fragmentation issues in tunneling

2004-10-15 Thread Sabri Berisha
On Thu, Oct 14, 2004 at 06:05:06PM +0200, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > > On Thu, 14 Oct 2004, Sabri Berisha wrote: > > > for the lack of knowledge of the end-user administrators or webmasters. > > ... or vendors of equipment that these people use. There are plenty of > vendors out there who mak

Re: why upload with adsl is faster than 100M ethernet ?

2004-10-15 Thread Marc Binderberger
Hi Joe, "divide et impera" :-) Put a (FTP-)server in _your_ network to get an idea if the problem is with the edge device (or somewhere in your network) or on the WAN to Japan. The PING may not tell you much about short-term queue problems in a device. As Mikael Abrahamsson wrote use a sniffer

Re: why upload with adsl is faster than 100M ethernet ?

2004-10-15 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 15-okt-04, at 10:14, Joe Shen wrote: The measuring is scheduled 20packet per 20seconds, we also ping each hop address along the path to server. The result shows there is no packet loss along from monitoring computer to customer site, but packet loss increase at a special hop along the path to se

Re: why upload with adsl is faster than 100M ethernet ?

2004-10-15 Thread Joe Shen
Hi, the network path is: |-(ADSL)\ customer/ --Edge_router---...---Japan Server \-(100Methernet)-/ So, from edge_router to Japan server the path is identical. > > There is something wrong with both scenarios. > > A 5 Mbyte file is 40 megabits. W