Re: People being removed from the list and such

2004-10-18 Thread Matthew McGehrin
Who fucking cares. Fuck the world. Fuck Susan. Fuck Nanog. Have a nice day. -- Matthew - Original Message - From: "Richard Welty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 11:51 PM Subject: Re: People being removed from the list and such for discussion th

Re: People being removed from the list and such

2004-10-18 Thread Owen DeLong
Although I have not yet been censored, I have been warned more than once. I think, generally, Susan tries to do a good job, and, has a tough task trying to balance SNR, AUP, and, the general tendencies of this crowd of engineers. However, while I don't know the names of all the recent "victims", th

Re: People being removed from the list and such

2004-10-18 Thread Richard Welty
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:31:37 -0700 (PDT) Bill Woodcock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh, god, I hate myself for doing this, but: > Two wrongs doesn't make a right. > We can't solve the problem of off-topic postings by adding gratuitous > administrative off-topic postings. although one is incline

Re: ICMP weirdness

2004-10-18 Thread Bill Stewart
AT&T normally rejects bogons such as RFC1918, urpf-detected forgeries from customers, traffic pointed at internal network routers, etc. However, AT&T's network does support MPLS, so if InsightBB is part of the Comcast cloud, it may be that this _looks_ like the public internet but is really an MP

Re: People being removed from the list and such

2004-10-18 Thread Bill Woodcock
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, Malayter, Christopher wrote: > When people are removed/censored, be it temporary or > permanent, could we have a notice posted to the membership as to the person, > reason, and duration? Also, could we add an appeals process? Oh, god, I hate myself for doin

Re: People being removed from the list and such

2004-10-18 Thread Randy Bush
pfui! unless someone has gone so far off the deep end as to be seriously impeding any other discussion on the list (google for "plonk":-), people should not be censored, period. we all can filter mail as we wish, just as we can bgp announcements. i submit that this discussion itself should be s

Re: People being removed from the list and such

2004-10-18 Thread marc van hoof
uh oh - i think that may have been chris's last email 8-) -marc. On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, Malayter, Christopher wrote: It has come to my attention that recently several people have been censored from posting to the nanog@ list. I find it a bit unusual that from such an open discussion list that members

People being removed from the list and such

2004-10-18 Thread Malayter, Christopher
It has come to my attention that recently several people have been censored from posting to the nanog@ list. I find it a bit unusual that from such an open discussion list that membership would be censored without notice and reason to the rest of the membership. I wouldn't normally be the one to

Re: ICMP weirdness

2004-10-18 Thread Daniel Senie
At 05:02 PM 10/18/2004, Crist Clark wrote: Jim Popovitch wrote: From Comcast Cable, at my home in Atlanta, I can ping 10.10.1.1 which is pong'ed from a private client network hanging somewhere off of Insight Broadband's network in the North Central part of the US. Why on god's green earth do n

Re: ICMP weirdness

2004-10-18 Thread Robert Bonomi
> From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Oct 18 16:01:42 2004 > Subject: Re: ICMP weirdness > From: Jim Popovitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Stephen J. Wilcox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:01:39 -0400 > > > On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 15:54, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote: > > w

Re: ICMP weirdness

2004-10-18 Thread Alon Tirosh
Comcast uses parts of 10/8 for cable modem addressing, and these are pingable from within the comcast network. Could this be some other internal equipment address as well? On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:01:39 -0400, Jim Popovitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 15:54, Stephen J. Wi

Re: ICMP weirdness

2004-10-18 Thread Crist Clark
Jim Popovitch wrote: From Comcast Cable, at my home in Atlanta, I can ping 10.10.1.1 which is pong'ed from a private client network hanging somewhere off of Insight Broadband's network in the North Central part of the US. Why on god's green earth do network operators allow such nonsense as thi

Re: ICMP weirdness

2004-10-18 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 15:54, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote: > why not that seems ok to me.. ? > > assuming you accept the 1918 assignment to your cable then its not unreasonable > that you can get to other end users on that network Across other non-private IP space? I am not all that familiar w/ RFC

ICMP weirdness

2004-10-18 Thread Jim Popovitch
>From Comcast Cable, at my home in Atlanta, I can ping 10.10.1.1 which is pong'ed from a private client network hanging somewhere off of Insight Broadband's network in the North Central part of the US. Why on god's green earth do network operators allow such nonsense as this? -Jim P. Tracer

Re: IP Address Tracking?

2004-10-18 Thread Joe Boyce
Monday, October 18, 2004, 10:35:51 AM, you wrote: JS> A few years ago, it seemed freeipdb and NorthStar were the way to go. JS> freeipdb.org is DOA, and NorthStar's last development note is over a year JS> ago with CVS unreachable. Are these two projects dead? If do, what are JS> people using

IP Address Tracking?

2004-10-18 Thread Jason Slagle
A few years ago, it seemed freeipdb and NorthStar were the way to go. freeipdb.org is DOA, and NorthStar's last development note is over a year ago with CVS unreachable. Are these two projects dead? If do, what are people using now. Thanks, Jason -- Jason Slagle - CCNP - CCDP /"\ . . . . . .

RE: Level 3 US east coast "issues"

2004-10-18 Thread Chris Ranch
Title: RE: Level 3 US east coast "issues" > Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 9:32 AM PDT > > Level3 states that they have isolated the problem down to equipment in > their Washington DC Point of Presence.  They believe that they have > resolved the problem and things should be normalizing in >

RE: Level 3 US east coast "issues"

2004-10-18 Thread Sirius F. Crackhoe
It seems to be more than just the east coast, I am seeing blackholes coming from the West as well... Sirius -Original Message- From: Grant A. Kirkwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 12:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Level 3 US east coast "issues" Level

Re: Level 3 US east coast "issues"

2004-10-18 Thread Jon Lewis
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, Grant A. Kirkwood wrote: > Level 3 experiencing widespread "unspecified routing issues" on the US east > coast. Master ticket 1086844. Anyone have more specific information? More, but not specific. We shut off our BGP session to them as lots of sites were unreachable throug

Level 3 US east coast "issues"

2004-10-18 Thread Grant A. Kirkwood
Level 3 experiencing widespread "unspecified routing issues" on the US east coast. Master ticket 1086844. Anyone have more specific information? -- Grant A. Kirkwood - grant(at)tnarg.org Fingerprint = D337 48C4 4D00 232D 3444 1D5D 27F6 055A BF0C 4AED

WISP Coordination in California

2004-10-18 Thread Charlie Khanna - NextWeb
For those interested in unlicensed spectrum coordination for deploying wireless networks, here is the web site I mentioned after Tim Pozar’s speech (Good Engineering Practices as it Applies to Unlicensed Wireless Networks):   http://www.wbanc.com   (Mailing Lists) SF-BANC (San Franci