Re: Why do so few mail providers support Port 587?

2005-02-16 Thread Owen DeLong
--On Wednesday, February 16, 2005 2:16 + Thor Lancelot Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 09:00:11PM -0500, Sean Donelan wrote: Sendmail now includes Port 587, although some people disagree how its done. But Exchange and other mail servers are still difficult for system

Re: Why do so few mail providers support Port 587?

2005-02-16 Thread Owen DeLong
--On Tuesday, February 15, 2005 21:30 -0500 Sean Donelan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, Thor Lancelot Simon wrote: This is utterly silly. Running another full-access copy of the MTA on a different port than 25 achieves precisely nothing -- and this support has always been

Re: Why do so few mail providers support Port 587?

2005-02-16 Thread Owen DeLong
Um, you actually have to work somewhat to get sendmail to support unauthenticated submission on port 587. The default configuration is that port 25 is unauthenticated (albeit with some restrictions on relaying (only for local clients)) and port 587 is authenticated. As such, I'm not sure why you

Cisco 3640 Bootrom

2005-02-16 Thread Kim Onnel
I have a 3640 that while booting up gives the errors below at the console, Console Errors: _ C3600 processor with 65536 Kbytes of main memory Main memory is configured to 64 bit mode with parity disabled unknown flash deĆ¾ System Bootstrap, Version 11.1(7)AX [kuong (7)AX], EARLY

Re: Cisco 3640 Bootrom

2005-02-16 Thread Michael . Dillon
I have a 3640 that while booting up gives the errors below at the console, And I have a web page in front of me which says, cisco-nsp -- list for people using cisco in a NSP (Network service provider) environment https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp I know what I would do if

Re: Why do so few mail providers support Port 587?

2005-02-16 Thread Joe Maimon
Thor Lancelot Simon wrote: On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 09:00:11PM -0500, Sean Donelan wrote: Sendmail now includes Port 587, although some people disagree how its done. But Exchange and other mail servers are still difficult for system administrators to configure Port 587 (if it doesn't say click

Re: Why do so few mail providers support Port 587?

2005-02-16 Thread Daniel Senie
At 04:42 AM 2/16/2005, Owen DeLong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you accept unauthenticated mail on port 587, the problem isn't the spam you will receive, it is the spam you will forward. ONLY if that unauthenticated sender is also permitted to RELAY. That is not a given. The decision to relay or

RE: bad Vonage connection, was Vonage complains about VoIP-blocking

2005-02-16 Thread Daniel Senie
At 01:54 AM 2/16/2005, you wrote: Odd regarding the Vonage connection. Their sitting on UU from where I can see and I have excellent transit to them from Comcast. I'm on Sprint, and the service was fine for a year and a half. In recent months it deteriorated to the point where more often than

Re[2]: Vonage complains about VoIP-blocking

2005-02-16 Thread C. Hagel
Or even sftp. This could enhance the security and still allow the tftp style of getting the conigs. I know it's not widely used (if at all in this scenario) but it could be a fix. On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:45:16 +0100 Michael Hallgren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MH MH ssh, or other schemes of

Re: Why do so few mail providers support Port 587?

2005-02-16 Thread Chip Mefford
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thor Lancelot Simon wrote: | On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 09:00:11PM -0500, Sean Donelan wrote: | |Sendmail now includes Port 587, although some people disagree how |its done. But Exchange and other mail servers are still difficult |for system

Re: Vonage complains about VoIP-blocking

2005-02-16 Thread Jon Lewis
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005, Rob Thomas wrote: Hi, Dan. ] Why block TFTP at your borders? To keep people from loading new versions of ] IOS on your routers? ;) Funny you should mention that. :) We have seen miscreants do exactly that. They will upgrade or downgrade routers to support a

Re: Re[2]: Vonage complains about VoIP-blocking

2005-02-16 Thread Stephen Sprunk
Thus spake C. Hagel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or even sftp. This could enhance the security and still allow the tftp style of getting the conigs. I know it's not widely used (if at all in this scenario) but it could be a fix. I would think that HTTPS is both closer to the TFTP model (ask for a

Re: Why do so few mail providers support Port 587?

2005-02-16 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:46:09 PST, Owen DeLong said: --==04787AC3A7FDFBF67AA5== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Um, you actually have to work somewhat to get sendmail to

RE: Please Check Filters - BOGON Filtering IP Space 72.14.128.0/19

2005-02-16 Thread Kunjal Trivedi
Hi Folks - Due to the feedback we've received on the Autosecure bogon list issue, we've decided to do the following: 1) Provide a fix that removes bogon ACL creation and deployment from the Autosecure feature. This change will be available in mainline and maintenance software releases. For the

RE: Please Check Filters - BOGON Filtering IP Space 72.14.128.0/19

2005-02-16 Thread Sean Donelan
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, Kunjal Trivedi wrote: Due to the feedback we've received on the Autosecure bogon list issue, we've decided to do the following: 1) Provide a fix that removes bogon ACL creation and deployment from the Autosecure feature. This change will be available in mainline and

Re: bad Vonage connection, was Vonage complains about VoIP-blocking

2005-02-16 Thread John Levine
What caused that issue was file transfers and other bursty traffic overwhelming queues, resulting in vonage traffic being stomped. My router is a BSD/OS box and I see no evidence that it's losing packets. Keep in mind that the trouble was on inbound traffic, and my internal network, a 100Mb

Re: bad Vonage connection, was Vonage complains about VoIP-blocking

2005-02-16 Thread Fergie (Paul Ferguson)
In an update yesterday on advancedIPpipeline, Vonage said that the incident ... involved multiple Vonage customers whose service was being affected by a single provider. http://www.advancedippipeline.com/news/60400945 - ferg -- John Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What caused that issue was

Re: Why do so few mail providers support Port 587?

2005-02-16 Thread Sean Donelan
Yet another reason for supporting port 587 on your servers for remote authenticated mail submission from your users. If you don't support port 587, and use SPF, it may break when AOL or other providers re-direct port 25. http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/56437 with many questions

Re: Vonage complains about VoIP-blocking

2005-02-16 Thread John Todd
At 11:07 AM -0500 on 2/15/05, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: http://advancedippipeline.com/60400413 The FCC is investigating -- it's not even clear if it's illegal to do that. --Prof. Steven M. Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb This has been an interesting thread; lots of divergence. I'll

NANOG Changes

2005-02-16 Thread Betty Burke
Hi everyone - apologies for a rather long message, but I wanted to bring you up-to-date on some steps the Program Committee and Merit have taken to evolve NANOG since our community meeting in Las Vegas. *Many thanks* to those of you who attended and gave us feedback - we learned a lot and look

Re: NANOG Changes

2005-02-16 Thread Scott Weeks
Thank you Betty and the whole NANOG/Merit group for making great decisions on moving forward. This will help NANOG evolve. I'd like to ask that folks who know long time, clue heavy contributors who have left to return. Merit has reached out, we need to as well. Thanks, scott

RE: bad Vonage connection,

2005-02-16 Thread Jeffrey Race
Having sudden difficulties with VoIP service here in Bangkok (two providers) I called Vonage tech support who have recommended a comprehensive channel test (using a utility they recommend) from which the fault location should be analyzeable. I am running the 6-hour test now. Anyone interested