Re: public accessible snmp devices?

2005-03-07 Thread Alexei Roudnev
It's OK to see any garbage in SNMP; I never got surprised (as I was not surprised when I killed firewall by snmpwalk). No one (in reality) makes good QA on SNMP functions (on routers or switches). I already have a few sanity checks in 'snmpstat', may be I should add one more (ignore answers with

Re: public accessible snmp devices?

2005-03-07 Thread Alexei Roudnev
Cisco drops SNMP requests but not return '0', I saw it (dropped requests because of _busy_) many times. - Original Message - From: Petri Helenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jim Popovitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Alexei Roudnev [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; nanog@merit.edu Sent: Sunday,

Re: Is current DDoS detecting method effective?

2005-03-07 Thread Joe Shen
Hi, you aren't distinguishing between 'dos attack' and 'scan' or 'probe' or 'welcome to the Internet!' traffic. The Arbor systems may see 'scan' traffic (depending upon sample rates and traffic loads) and they may not... They aren't designed to see that, they are designed to:

Re: US slaps fine on company blocking VoIP

2005-03-07 Thread Michael . Dillon
and your phone number has to be local to your location. ^^ Thanks for proving my point. And who says that a location needs to have only a single phone number. Many VoIP providers will sell you extra vanity numbers anywhere in the USA or

Re: DNS Blackhole attack

2005-03-07 Thread Ketil Froyn
On Sat, 2005-03-05 at 14:43 -0800, william(at)elan.net wrote: Global DNS cache poisoning attack?; Update... It's a bit frustrating that problems this old and well-known can actually be used to cause damage. The easiest way to check if you are vulnerable to DNS poisoning is to try to poison

Re: Is current DDoS detecting method effective?

2005-03-07 Thread Kim Onnel
On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 06:11:35 + (GMT), Christopher L. Morrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of your cflowd gathering should also see these things, but they will need data correlation, something Arbor already went to the trouble of doing for you... So, define: attack and then see if your

Re: US slaps fine on company blocking VoIP

2005-03-07 Thread Adi Linden
If VOIP doesn't run on your network because you've oversold your capacity, no amount of QoS is going to put the quality back into your service. People will find better ISPs. If you deliberately set QoS to favor your services over a competitor, whom your customers are also paying for service,

RE: US slaps fine on company blocking VoIP

2005-03-07 Thread Network.Security
Do you also offer premium 80 traffic? Or guaranteed delivery of UDP? Unbundled services will give the best price, and good service. Maybe we won't get the service anytime soon, but 2 out of the magical 3 isn't bad. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Vonage service suffers outage

2005-03-07 Thread Fergie (Paul Ferguson)
Amidst all the hoopla w.r.t. port blocking their service, this outage couldn't have come at a worse time, methinks. The outage on Friday left about half of its 500,000 subscribers without phone service for about 45 minutes and ... was caused by a glitch with a software upgrade on Thursday

Re: Vonage service suffers outage

2005-03-07 Thread Jon Lewis
On Mon, 7 Mar 2005, Fergie (Paul Ferguson) wrote: Amidst all the hoopla w.r.t. port blocking their service, this outage couldn't have come at a worse time, methinks. The outage on Friday left about half of its 500,000 subscribers without phone service for about 45 minutes and ... was

Re: Vonage service suffers outage

2005-03-07 Thread Randy Bush
Amidst all the hoopla w.r.t. port blocking their service, this outage couldn't have come at a worse time, methinks. The outage on Friday left about half of its 500,000 subscribers without phone service for about 45 minutes and ... was caused by a glitch with a software upgrade on Thursday

Re: Vonage service suffers outage

2005-03-07 Thread Fergie (Paul Ferguson)
No, what makes this newsworthy is exactly what Om Malik says: VoIP is being oversold. http://www.gigaom.com/2005/03/06/voip-has-serious-problems/ - ferg -- Randy Bush [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amidst all the hoopla w.r.t. port blocking their service, this outage couldn't have come at a

Re: Vonage service suffers outage

2005-03-07 Thread Michael . Dillon
No, what makes this newsworthy is exactly what Om Malik says: VoIP is being oversold. Let's be clear here. Vonage is not a VoIP company. They do not offer a VoIP service. They are a phone company that offers a type of phone service which leverages VoIP to handle the last mile connection to

RE: Vonage service suffers outage

2005-03-07 Thread Neil J. McRae
Companies like Vonage are signing up subscribers because they provide real phone service connecting you to copperline subscribers on the real phone network. That is their business model. Verizon could sell exactly the same sort of service to subscribers in California leveraging the

Re: public accessible snmp devices?

2005-03-07 Thread vijay gill
Petri Helenius wrote: And lately, for reasons undetermined so far there has been instances of both vendor C and J where counters suddenly go to zero either temporarily (like 1,2,3,4,0,6,7,8,0,10,etc.) or reset altogether without any reason. Pete I am unclear as to what Vendors C and J are.

Re: US slaps fine on company blocking VoIP

2005-03-07 Thread Bill Nash
On Mon, 7 Mar 2005, Adi Linden wrote: If VOIP doesn't run on your network because you've oversold your capacity, no amount of QoS is going to put the quality back into your service. People will find better ISPs. If you deliberately set QoS to favor your services over a competitor, whom your

Re: US slaps fine on company blocking VoIP

2005-03-07 Thread Rachael Treu
On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 08:45:30AM -0600, Adi Linden said something to the effect of: If VOIP doesn't run on your network because you've oversold your capacity, no amount of QoS is going to put the quality back into your service. People will find better ISPs. If you deliberately set QoS

Re: DNS Blackhole attack

2005-03-07 Thread Rachael Treu
On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 11:38:53AM +, Ketil Froyn said something to the effect of: On Sat, 2005-03-05 at 14:43 -0800, william(at)elan.net wrote: Global DNS cache poisoning attack?; Update... It's a bit frustrating that problems this old and well-known can actually be used to cause

Re: Is current DDoS detecting method effective?

2005-03-07 Thread Jared Mauch
On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 01:43:29PM +0200, Kim Onnel wrote: On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 06:11:35 + (GMT), Christopher L. Morrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of your cflowd gathering should also see these things, but they will need data correlation, something Arbor already went to the trouble

NANOG 34: Call for Presentations

2005-03-07 Thread Steve Feldman
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * CALL FOR PRESENTATIONS NANOG 34 May 15-17, 2005 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * The North American Network

Re: Is current DDoS detecting method effective?

2005-03-07 Thread Florian Weimer
* Kim Onnel: So I can safely say that Detecting DDoS attacks is mostly done using Netflow data, now the only tool(known) on the market to analyze for attacks is Arbor, now besides being expensive, which is a problem for Mid-sizes ISPs, Who qualifies as a mid-sized ISP? What equipment is

Re: Is current DDoS detecting method effective?

2005-03-07 Thread Florian Weimer
* Jared Mauch: If you want some basic detection, I recommend doing something like this: sort by the top proto+dstip+dstport+tcpflags combination. The more of these you see, the more it may look weird. You should also run a similar query for source IPs in your netblocks,

www.nanog.org returning 403 Forbidden error?

2005-03-07 Thread Brent Chapman
I just tried accessing http://www.nanog.org/, and am getting back a 403 Forbidden error: Forbidden You don't have permission to access / on this server. Did somebody break the web server? -Brent -- Brent Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Great Circle Associates, Inc.

Clue on Europe

2005-03-07 Thread Ashe Canvar
Hi all, Plan to set up a 2 rack outpost in a colo in Europe. I am looking for prior experience(s) -- Good or ugly. My research leads me to believe that London and Amsterdam have the most dense connectivity. Is this true ? If so, then what colo's / ISPs in these 2 cities would you recommend.

Re: www.nanog.org returning 403 Forbidden error?

2005-03-07 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Mon, 2005-03-07 at 15:58 -0800, Brent Chapman wrote: I just tried accessing http://www.nanog.org/, and am getting back a 403 Forbidden error: Forbidden You don't have permission to access / on this server. Did somebody break the web server? Works for me. Perhaps it was

Re: www.nanog.org returning 403 Forbidden error?

2005-03-07 Thread Brent Chapman
At 10:43 PM -0500 3/7/05, Jim Popovitch wrote: On Mon, 2005-03-07 at 15:58 -0800, Brent Chapman wrote: I just tried accessing http://www.nanog.org/, and am getting back a 403 Forbidden error: Forbidden You don't have permission to access / on this server. Did somebody break the

Re: www.nanog.org returning 403 Forbidden error?

2005-03-07 Thread W.D.McKinney
-Original Message- From: Brent Chapman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 7, 2005 11:58 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: www.nanog.org returning 403 Forbidden error? I just tried accessing http://www.nanog.org/, and am getting back a 403 Forbidden error: Forbidden

Re: Clue on Europe

2005-03-07 Thread Subhi S Hashwa
Tuesday, March 8, 2005, 3:34:07 AM, Ashe Canvar wrote: Plan to set up a 2 rack outpost in a colo in Europe. I am looking for prior experience(s) -- Good or ugly. Avoid Redbux Hex (London) like the plague, just ask about their recent power outages. AFAIK their other facilities are ok. --

Re: Clue on Europe

2005-03-07 Thread Colin Johnston
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