Re: Is my BIND Server's Cache Poisioned ?

2005-06-30 Thread Joe Shen
Hi, thanks for the help. Because IPv6 aware nameservers make queries for the IPv6 addresses of the nameservers and as a result see the NXDOMAIN / CNAME. The IPv4 only nameservers don't make these queries, as a matter of practice, and only see the

Re: Is my BIND Server's Cache Poisioned ?

2005-06-30 Thread Fergie (Paul Ferguson)
Maybe Congress uncovered that mystery in their IPv6 hearings. ;-) http://www.techweb.com/wire/ebiz/164903883 - ferg -- william(at)elan.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 30 Jun 2005, Mark Andrews wrote: No. These are just a mis-configured zones. hangzhou.gov.cn only has

Re: ISP phishing

2005-06-30 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 04:35:30PM -0500, Brad Knowles wrote: Fortunately for me, all the phishing attempts were pretty stupid, and failed because they relied too much on Windows-specific attacks, Windows-specific MUAs, etc In my case they were merely amusing. If there *were* an

OMB: IPv6 by June 2008

2005-06-30 Thread Fergie (Paul Ferguson)
Just in case anyone was wondering, U.S. gummint agencies will be screaming in migration agony for the next couple of years. ;-) http://www.fcw.com/article89432-06-29-05-Web - ferg -- Fergie, a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL

RE: IPv6 by June 2008

2005-06-30 Thread Olsen, Jason
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fergie (Paul Ferguson) Just in case anyone was wondering, U.S. gummint agencies will be screaming in migration agony for the next couple of years. ;-) http://www.fcw.com/article89432-06-29-05-Web

Re: ATM

2005-06-30 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Wed, Jun 29, 2005 at 06:06:38PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jun 29, 2005 at 01:33:14PM -0400, Jason Frisvold wrote: On 6/29/05, Randy Bush [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: indeed! i use them often. remember when you had to go into the bank and wait in a queue for a teller?

Re: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008

2005-06-30 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:02:33 GMT Fergie (Paul Ferguson) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just in case anyone was wondering, U.S. gummint agencies will be screaming in migration agony for the next couple of years. ;-) http://www.fcw.com/article89432-06-29-05-Web Well, when I was in the gummint,

Re: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008

2005-06-30 Thread Fergie (Paul Ferguson)
Thought thief. ;-) - ferg -- Daniel Senie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just in case anyone was wondering, U.S. gummint agencies will be screaming in migration agony for the next couple of years. ;-) http://www.fcw.com/article89432-06-29-05-Web GOSIP II anybody? Will it be different this time

RE: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008

2005-06-30 Thread Kuhtz, Christian
No kidding. He should be nominated to head up coordinating transition planning to IPv6. ;-) Not that I'm complaining, GOSIP paid my contract fees in 1996/1997 (sic). Most of these clowns don't realize how hard these mandates are to stop if they turn out to be in error, especially if they

Re: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008

2005-06-30 Thread Edward Lewis
At 11:30 -0400 6/30/05, Daniel Senie wrote: At 10:02 AM 6/30/2005, Fergie (Paul Ferguson) wrote: Just in case anyone was wondering, U.S. gummint agencies will be screaming in migration agony for the next couple of years. ;-) http://www.fcw.com/article89432-06-29-05-Web GOSIP II anybody?

RE: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008

2005-06-30 Thread Kuhtz, Christian
So, the questions are: will OMB fund the transfer of the US gov't sites? Will there ever be a US gov't web site only on IPv6? (I think the API issue has been solved.) While that would certainly be nice.. There doesn't need to be. Unlike GOSIP, IPv6 is largely transparent, thanks to all the

Re: mobile user strawman argument

2005-06-30 Thread Brad Knowles
At 2:51 AM -0700 2005-06-29, Mike Leber wrote: Ya, ya, ya... you are going to say 1) its impossible to get people to use designated servers for outgoing email. Or you will say 2) even if you do this there will still be *spam*! (egads shock horrror!) Ugh please. That's not the problem.

Re: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008

2005-06-30 Thread Brad Knowles
At 11:30 AM -0400 2005-06-30, Daniel Senie wrote: http://www.fcw.com/article89432-06-29-05-Web GOSIP II anybody? Will it be different this time than it was with OSI? Everyone had to scramble in the late 1980s to get OSI stuff done, then the gov't never used it. I worked for DISA at

Re: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008

2005-06-30 Thread Fergie (Paul Ferguson)
I'm glad you brought that up. :-) As a follow-up to the two posts that I made earlier about Congressional hearings and the OMB mandate, let me applaud Congressman Tom Davis (did I really just say that?!?) for making a salient point during the hearings yesteday: Asian countries have been

Re: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008

2005-06-30 Thread Stephen Sprunk
Thus spake Kuhtz, Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, the questions are: will OMB fund the transfer of the US gov't sites? Will there ever be a US gov't web site only on IPv6? (I think the API issue has been solved.) While that would certainly be nice.. There doesn't need to be. Agreed,

Re: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008

2005-06-30 Thread Ted Fischer
On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:02:33 GMT Fergie (Paul Ferguson) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just in case anyone was wondering, U.S. gummint agencies will be screaming in migration agony for the next couple of years. ;-) http://www.fcw.com/article89432-06-29-05-Web Well, when I was in the

Re: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008

2005-06-30 Thread Larry Smith
On Thursday 30 June 2005 14:56, Ted Fischer wrote: On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:02:33 GMT Fergie (Paul Ferguson) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just in case anyone was wondering, U.S. gummint agencies will be screaming in migration agony for the next couple of years. ;-)

Re: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008

2005-06-30 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Thu, 30 Jun 2005, Fergie (Paul Ferguson) wrote: I'm glad you brought that up. :-) As a follow-up to the two posts that I made earlier about Congressional hearings and the OMB mandate, let me applaud Congressman Tom Davis (did I really just say that?!?) for please find some ivory soap

Re: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008

2005-06-30 Thread Fergie (Paul Ferguson)
The author of the TechWeb article wrote those words extolling improved security measures, not me, dude. :-) I stated explicitly that all of the new features lauded by v6 proponents have effectively been retro-fitted to v4, thereby negating almost every v6 migration argument, with the exception

Re: mobile user strawman argument

2005-06-30 Thread Mike Leber
On Thu, 30 Jun 2005, Brad Knowles wrote: At 2:51 AM -0700 2005-06-29, Mike Leber wrote: Ya, ya, ya... you are going to say 1) its impossible to get people to use designated servers for outgoing email. Or you will say 2) even if you do this there will still be *spam*! (egads shock

Re: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008

2005-06-30 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Thu, 30 Jun 2005, Fergie (Paul Ferguson) wrote: The author of the TechWeb article wrote those words extolling improved security measures, not me, dude. :-) the soap comment was aimed at you for the tom davis 'support' :) I understood you didn't write the other parts. I stated

RE: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008

2005-06-30 Thread Scott Morris
We could have been much better served adding 3-bits at the beginning. Effectively giving a full IP v4 space to every continent (even Antartica) and having an extra one for the extra-terrestrial working group. ;) And it would have given us real geographic-based filtering capabilities at the same

Re: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008

2005-06-30 Thread Andre Oppermann
Scott Morris wrote: We could have been much better served adding 3-bits at the beginning. Effectively giving a full IP v4 space to every continent (even Antartica) and having an extra one for the extra-terrestrial working group. ;) And it would have given us real geographic-based filtering

Re: mobile user strawman argument

2005-06-30 Thread Brad Knowles
At 2:02 PM -0700 2005-06-30, Mike Leber wrote: In practice if your remote users don't use the submit port on your servers it gives rise to all kinds of different issues involving you trying to support the outbound filtering AOL is doing on your customers sending from non AOL domains.

RE: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008

2005-06-30 Thread Scott Morris
Heheheh... But see, wasn't that one of the whole theories behind the aggregation schemes built into the allocation of IPv6 address? Come now... Because we have deployed it today in a manner where that's not possible doesn't make it a rule per se. Is this theory any different that simply

Re: mobile user strawman argument

2005-06-30 Thread Todd Vierling
On Thu, 30 Jun 2005, Brad Knowles wrote: In practice if your remote users don't use the submit port on your servers it gives rise to all kinds of different issues involving you trying to support the outbound filtering AOL is doing on your customers sending from non AOL domains.

RE: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008

2005-06-30 Thread Randy Bush
Effectively giving a full IP v4 space to every continent which will do so much for aggregation. not.

Re: mobile user strawman argument

2005-06-30 Thread Robert Boyle
At 05:02 PM 6/30/2005, you wrote: Of course, if you're going to do this, you should also be doing at least SMTPAUTH and preferably TLSSMTP, but then again many clients are broken and don't support these technologies or don't support them correctly. Or you support POP AUTH, which just

RE: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008

2005-06-30 Thread Randy Bush
Heheheh... But see, wasn't that one of the whole theories behind the aggregation schemes built into the allocation of IPv6 address? Come now... Because we have deployed it today in a manner where that's not possible doesn't make it a rule per se. nope. you're absolutely right. we just

New IANA IPv4 allocation for RIPE NCC (89/8, 90/8, 91/8)

2005-06-30 Thread Doug Barton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greetings, This is to inform you that the IANA has allocated the following three (3) IPv4 /8 blocks to RIPE NCC: 89/8 90/8 91/8 For a full list of IANA IPv4 allocations please see: http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space - -- Doug

Re: mobile user strawman argument

2005-06-30 Thread Brad Knowles
At 5:43 PM -0400 2005-06-30, Todd Vierling wrote: I've done a look-see around my network and acquaintances a while ago, and among them were quite a few mailers, all of which supported not only alternate ports, but also SMTP AUTH. MSA support is far more available than this classic FUD.

Equinox Power Failure

2005-06-30 Thread Pablo's Gmail
Does anyone have related and/or specific outage information to the Equinox IBX facility in Chicago that occurred this past weekend? I'm more curious of actual root cause of their power facilities, outage timelines, response times...etc. thanks, Pablo

Re: mobile user strawman argument

2005-06-30 Thread Niels Bakker
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brad Knowles) [Fri 01 Jul 2005, 00:33 CEST]: At 5:43 PM -0400 2005-06-30, Robert Boyle wrote: Support them all and let your customers decide which ones work for them based on their particular circumstances at the time and the network they happen to be using. That's

Re: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008

2005-06-30 Thread Todd Underwood
On Thu, Jun 30, 2005 at 01:21:33PM -0400, Edward Lewis wrote: Having been in the US gov't (too) at the time of GOSIP, there were three reasons why I never used it much: [...] 3) There was no tidbit of information available over the network that was on a server that spoke only GOSIP and

Re: Equinox Power Failure

2005-06-30 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Thu, Jun 30, 2005 at 03:52:00PM -0700, Pablo's Gmail wrote: Does anyone have related and/or specific outage information to the Equinox IBX facility in Chicago that occurred this past weekend? I'm more curious of actual root cause of their power facilities, outage timelines, response

Re: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008

2005-06-30 Thread Fred Baker
On Jun 30, 2005, at 5:37 PM, Todd Underwood wrote: where is the service that is available only on IPv6? i can't seem to find it. You might ask yourself whether the Kame Turtle is dancing at http://www.kame.net/. This is a service that is *different* (returns a different web page) depending

Re: mobile user strawman argument

2005-06-30 Thread Todd Vierling
On Thu, 30 Jun 2005, Brad Knowles wrote: I've done a look-see around my network and acquaintances a while ago, and among them were quite a few mailers, all of which supported not only alternate ports, but also SMTP AUTH. MSA support is far more available than this classic FUD.

Re: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008

2005-06-30 Thread Edward Lewis
At 21:29 -0400 6/30/05, Todd Underwood wrote: the rest of fred's comment stands with useful information but i'm still looking for the tipping point where people migrate, en-masse, away from the Internet to this new, incompatible network. You can color me skeptical on IPv6 - basing this on

Re: ATM

2005-06-30 Thread Michael Painter
- Original Message - From: James Laszko [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 7:34 AM Subject: RE: ATM Most MPLS networks use a combination of point to point, frame and ATM facilities as the infrastructure. The phone companies use ATM just about everywhere to deliver