[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Per Gregers Bilse) wrote:
My finest Dilbert moment; it's over ten years old now, in fact.
[...]
*g*
It is _so_ true and so happens in probably 80% of the companies.
It got so bad that if there was nothing to report (ie, no outages, no
problems, everything just worked) Boss
It can be of operational interest or it can fuel a new flame about
alternative DNS roots.
http://www.neustar.com/pressroom/files/announcements/ns_pr_09282005.pdf
GSM Association and NeuStar Sign Agreement to Offer Root DNS Services
to More than 680 Global GSM Mobile Operators
...
NeuStar's
different meaning of 'root server'. pretty surely written by a
droid.
randy
On Thu, Sep 29, 2005 at 05:39:30PM -0400, Mark Owen wrote:
Any suggestions?
Start with the OSI[1] model to grasp the fundamentals, next make sure
you have a basic knowledge of how TCP/IP addressing works[2]. To get
an understanding of routing-protocols, begin with RIP[3] and perhaps
run your
Crist Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
The problem I've seen is when an SMTP server does not accept emails
which have non-resolvable MAIL FROM domain. When the sender is a
dumb SMTP client, not an MTA, this can cause problems.
Well, that dumb SMTP client should stop pretending to be a MTA
Besides, what sort of dumb SMTP client did you have in mind?
Formmail scripts? Worms? Outlook Express? I can't say I'd miss mail
from any of those.
Pot, kettle...
Yours seem to have come via a train wreck of mua/mta's
From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Sep 30 08:42:11 2005
Delivered-To: [EMAIL
On Friday 30 Sep 2005 9:37 am, Brandon Butterworth wrote:
spam and virus rating on outgoing is pointless nobody in their
right mind is going to use them.
Whilst I think it is silly to do.
Why not drop emails that claim to be viruses or spam?
Of course why anyone would allow their servers
Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
It can be of operational interest or it can fuel a new flame about
alternative DNS roots.
Another flame fest? Possibly, but only if caused by lack of understanding where
the Neustar DNS root will be living. This DNS structure for GPRS roaming lives
in its own
Sabri Berisha [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
To get
an understanding of routing-protocols, begin with RIP[3] and perhaps
run your own RIP-lab
necromancy will be severely punished.
---rob
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 05:50:52 EDT, Robert E.Seastrom said:
Sabri Berisha [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
To get
an understanding of routing-protocols, begin with RIP[3] and perhaps
run your own RIP-lab
necromancy will be severely punished.
Sayeth RFC1925:
(4) Some things in life can never
On 30/09/05, Stephane Bortzmeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It can be of operational interest or it can fuel a new flame about
alternative DNS roots.
http://www.neustar.com/pressroom/files/announcements/ns_pr_09282005.pdf
It is not a public root and it is not available over the internet
It is not a public root and it is not available over the internet either
A closed service available solely over the gprs network
Until the users want to access the same stuff from their
PC and they petition for it to be in the public root too
To the public if it looks like internet they
This report has been generated at Fri Sep 30 21:45:58 2005 AEST.
The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of an AS4637 (Reach) router
and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table.
Check http://www.cidr-report.org/as4637 for a current version of this report.
Recent Table
It is not a public root and it is not available over the internet either
A closed service available solely over the gprs network
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brandon Butterworth) [Fri 30 Sep 2005, 12:55 CEST]:
Until the users want to access the same stuff from their
PC and they petition for it to
You are misunderstanding.
I'm extrapolating, things rarely stay restricted to the
original use they existed for. At some point I expect
they'll put something on it that users become aware of
and think it'd be much more convenient if we could
use the same on the internet
The data in .gprs is
Vint,
I don't think I know any longer, if I ever did, what IDN means.
Alternatives to Unicode were proposed during the IETF IDN WG lifetime, both
as a single normative reference, and as a normative reference.
Likewise an intermediate tables redefinition of Unicode, mentioned in my
last
Management of Naming, Addressing, and the related directory service (DNS)
is properly part of Network Operations. Thus, on topic for
NANOG.
At 9/30/2005 01:43 PM +0100, Brandon Butterworth wrote:
snip/
If they restrict it to internal use then it's non news,
anyone can make up stuff with risk of
To get an understanding of routing-protocols, begin with RIP[3] and
perhaps run your own RIP-lab
necromancy will be severely punished.
many hand-on routing workshops start with rip, though with the
warning you will now learn why not to use rip. it makes it
easy to teach poison reverse, ...
On 30-Sep-2005, at 09:32, Randy Bush wrote:
To get an understanding of routing-protocols, begin with RIP[3] and
perhaps run your own RIP-lab
necromancy will be severely punished.
many hand-on routing workshops start with rip, though with the
warning you will now learn why not to use rip.
On Fri, Sep 30, 2005 at 10:01:34AM -0400, Joe Abley wrote:
Hi,
RIP also has the advantage that a worked, non-trivial example of the
protocol can fit on a whiteboard, which makes it a reasonable way to
teach the concept of a routing protocol to a classroom full of people
who have never
On Fri, Sep 30, 2005 at 02:33:13PM +0200, Niels Bakker wrote:
Hi,
To the public if it looks like internet they expect it to
work like internet
You are misunderstanding. The data in .gprs is used by infrastructure
in the GSM networks to decide where a user's home station is. End users
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 15:57:47 +0200, Peter Dambier said:
http://www.cynikal.net/~baptista/P-R/2005-09-29%20Memo%20to%20the%20Internet%
20Community.pdf
There was an attempt by UNIDT to start a new root system called the
United-Root. Attempts by Ankara to test this root on l.public-root.net at
Peter Dambier wrote:
The Ankara root injected a number of older records into the DNS resulting
in false answers to queries. Ankara was also listing as root servers some
DNS that pointed back to ICANN data and did not resolve the Public-Root.
This was very unprofessional behavior on behalf of
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005, Peter Dambier wrote:
Statement of the Official Public-Root Representative
Public-Root resolution problems
I in my capacity as the Official Public-Root Representative and
whistle-blower, asked Peter Dambier to publish to NANOG a notice that the
Public-Root had
On Fri, Sep 30, 2005 at 04:05:34PM +0100,
Andy Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
a message of 19 lines which said:
A bit like an internationally organized, non-profit corporation
...
Has anyone considered this ?
Yes, replacing the DoC puppet by an internationally organized
corporation
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005, Peter Dambier wrote:
Statement of the Official Public-Root Representative
Public-Root resolution problems
I in my capacity as the Official Public-Root Representative and
whistle-blower, asked Peter Dambier to publish to NANOG a notice that the
Public-Root had
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Randy Bush writes:
To get an understanding of routing-protocols, begin with RIP[3] and
perhaps run your own RIP-lab
necromancy will be severely punished.
many hand-on routing workshops start with rip, though with the
warning you will now learn why not to use
Interesting:
regards,
Peter and Karin
Original Message
From: Markus Grundmann/ORSN [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 14:03:56 +0200
Organization: ORSN, Open Root Server Network
Subject: [ORSN.TECH] We Are Complete
List-Archive:
Are there operational issues to attempt to make this thread remotely on
point for NANOG? Probably not. Its just bits, and whether the bits are all
0x000 or quasi-random distributions between 0x000 and 0x177 is water under
somebody else's bridge. The constraint-space is solve in applications
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Peter Dambier writes:
Interesting:
I don't regard this as good, but note this from the ORSN FAQ:
* Has ORSN additional TLDs like .DNS, .AUTO?
No. ORSN is a Legacy Root and 100% compatible with ICANN's
root zone.
and
I don't understand why there's all these flame wars and pissing contests or
people unhappy with the noise I've added to this mailing list... all this
debate about what is or isn't on topic, Oy Vey! You'd think this list
existed for years before I learned about it and decided to spew my
Peter wrote:
Crist Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
The problem I've seen is when an SMTP server does not accept emails
which have non-resolvable MAIL FROM domain. When the sender is a
dumb SMTP client, not an MTA, this can cause problems.
Well, that dumb SMTP client should stop
I don't regard this as good, but note this from the ORSN FAQ:
* Has ORSN additional TLDs like .DNS, .AUTO?
No. ORSN is a Legacy Root and 100% compatible with ICANN's
root zone.
and
Furthermore, no additional (alternative) top level domains
will
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Mark Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 9/29/05, Warren Kumari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have met Senior Network Engineers who don't understand longest
match rule (The traffic will take 10/8 instead of 10.0.0.0/24
because it has a better admin distance,
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005, Christopher L. Morrow wrote:
ospf doesn't, for router-id on cisco's atleast, as Warren pointed out :(
however! switching from ospf to 'another igp' (ISIS would work well) would
avoid that, slide off ospf and onto ISIS, kill ospf when all next-hops
switch, which should be
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005, Paul Vixie wrote:
I don't regard this as good, but note this from the ORSN FAQ:
* Has ORSN additional TLDs like .DNS, .AUTO?
No. ORSN is a Legacy Root and 100% compatible with ICANN's
root zone.
and
Furthermore, no additional
# It is *not* the same as what you've been advocating.
#
# indeed, it is not. ...
#
# I don't get this. You pretend there is a difference between ICANN / VeriSign
# / US-DoC and universal IANA namespace. They are one and the same.
you must have misread me. see http://fm.vix.com/ today.
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005, Paul Vixie wrote:
# It is *not* the same as what you've been advocating.
#
# indeed, it is not. ...
#
# I don't get this. You pretend there is a difference between ICANN / VeriSign
# / US-DoC and universal IANA namespace. They are one and the same.
you must
# you must have misread me. see http://fm.vix.com/ today.
#
# I've read it. Twice now. I'd like some help on what part I've misread ?
i'm indifferent to their reasons, as long as they don't add any new TLD's...
# I don't think the independence argument holds, as explained by my previous
#
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005, Paul Vixie wrote:
# you must have misread me. see http://fm.vix.com/ today.
#
# I've read it. Twice now. I'd like some help on what part I've misread ?
i'm indifferent to their reasons, as long as they don't add any new TLD's...
I understood that you're indifferent
# I understood that you're indifferent to _their_ reasons. I'm curious about
# _your_ reasons. Solely to learn and for the stats? I couldn't deduct that
# from fm.vix.com.
internet governance ain't what it will be. anyone who wants to keep name
universality in place as the system evolves, can
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Paul Vixie writes:
it's enough for me that they're going to do it no matter what you (or i) say,
and that they're doing it responsibly (without any namespace pollution). if
ORSN is afraid war is going to break out somewhere and that ICANN might delete
the ccTLD's
it's enough for me that they're going to do it no matter what you (or i) say,
and that they're doing it responsibly (without any namespace pollution). if
ORSN is afraid war is going to break out somewhere and that ICANN might delete
the ccTLD's for countries that are part of the axis of
# Paul, if we ever get DNSSEC deployed, what will/should OSRN return for
#
# dig ns .
#
# --Steven M. Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb
i don't know ORSN's plans. i believe that the standard testbed methodology
(and bill manning would be the one to correct me here,
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005, Eric Brunner-Williams wrote:
I suppose I should mention that ICANN redelegated .iq for some mumble
reason, compare, .pn.
Not that it matters, but Hamas is the government of parts of Palestine,
no matter how much heartburn this gives some people, and
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005, Eric Brunner-Williams at a VSAT somewhere wrote:
For those who care about excesses of zeal, the Elashi brothers (operators
as well as sponsor delagees of .iq) of someplace in Texas, were charged with
giving money to Hamas or a charity linked to Hamas, and sending a PC to
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005, Peter Dambier wrote:
I also want to take this time to criticize NANOG (North American Network
Operators Group) and the inclusive and alternative namespace communities.
However, my main concern is NANOG. I find the fact the people of Turkey
are being the subject of
Bill,
Have you got an opinion on .mm? Last December (when Vint and I did exchange
notes on getting India to allow relief workers into the Andaman and Nicobar
Islands, and some British embassy in Baghdad guy who wanted to get .iq for
the Occupation regime-de-jour) it so happened that all their
Have you got an opinion on .mm? Last December it so happened that
all their servers (in the UK, which isn't part of Burma, or Burma
Shave, or ...) were dark. If those facts were present today, would
you be ready to delta dot?
My inclination has been to solve problems
For those who care about excesses of zeal, the Elashi brothers (operators
as well as sponsor delagees of .iq) of someplace in Texas, were charged with
giving money to Hamas or a charity linked to Hamas, and sending a PC to
Syria,
and parts of a PC -- perhaps a mouse pad -- to Libya.
Bill,
I forgot to mention that the idiot Brit who wanted .iq was going to run
it -- all of it -- off of generators from inside the Green Zone.
I don't know if my notes made a bit of difference, but I advised that
ICANN not redel and open the adverse redel can unnecesarily.
I'm not sure if I
And they did violate US laws in the US.
An export regulation, one normally punished by a fine.
Ah well, maybe they will get deported when they get released from prison,
just like their wives.
There is an interesting register of export violaters, and quite a few are
foreign nationals, and
On Fri, Sep 30, 2005 at 08:38:43AM -0400, Eric Brunner-Williams at a VSAT
somewhere wrote:
It all comes down to pretending a PC is a supercomputer,
An ordinary PC, by today's standards average, is defined by US law as
a supercomputer, legally a munition (weapon of war). Wether you
yourself
David,
Before turning to your certainty that laws are self-explanitory and not
nuanced, I should mention soething I forgot.
The Elashi case rattled the Export Controls Defense bar, because the Elashis
didn't actually send anything to Libya, their buyer was some computer broker
in Malta, and
It's worth noting that C's don't need actual IP address space assigned to
the router-id for OSPF. It's just an arbitrary value; it's probably better
karma to set it to whatever you want (maybe something that doesn't look
like an IP address).
RFC 2328:
Router ID
A 32-bit
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005, Bill Woodcock wrote:
...whereas post-redelegation, .iq is administered by the Iraqi
communications ministry from Bhagdad,
Current Iraq government exists because there is substantial US military
presence in the country. Lets assume that at some future point US gets
tired
Not that it matters, but Hamas is the government of parts of Palestine,
no matter how much heartburn this gives some people, and the Elashis
are diaspora Palestinians.
And they did violate US laws in the US.
Ah well, maybe they will get deported when they get released from prison,
just
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