RE: Comments or suggestions required Internap FCP 500 vs. OER

2005-11-09 Thread Mulrooney, Patrick
[EMAIL PROTECTED] may have said: > We're looking at possibly purchasing a Internap FCP500, everything > I hear about these boxes is good. We are simultaneously trying to You should also look at the Avaya CNA product (their Routescience acquisition).http://tinyurl.com/d7saf

Re: Peering VLANs and MAC addresses

2005-11-09 Thread Mike Hughes
On Thu, 10 Nov 2005, Alexander Koch wrote: > I know the changes the LINX has implemented, and I am > curious... and this might affect other folk as well. > > What is better - the LINX approach (blocking the port, > trying again in x minutes when too many MACs were seen) > or the Equinix approach

Re: Peering VLANs and MAC addresses

2005-11-09 Thread Alexander Koch
Mike, All, I know the changes the LINX has implemented, and I am curious... and this might affect other folk as well. What is better - the LINX approach (blocking the port, trying again in x minutes when too many MACs were seen) or the Equinix approach (we hardcode your MAC per VLAN/ per port if

Re: Peering VLANs and MAC addresses

2005-11-09 Thread Mike Hughes
On Wed, 9 Nov 2005, Randy Bush wrote: > thanks! this approaches reassuring. why does it tolerate 100 > macs? at first blush, i would think three or four would be a > bad enough sign. It's a balance to avoid unduly penalising a genuine mistake, or being too severe against some poor guy with a

Re: Peering VLANs and MAC addresses

2005-11-09 Thread sthaug
> > A lot of people are deploying C76xx as peering routers ... > > > ... which should be prohibited by law. Actually, C76xx should be > prohibited by law. > I've done my share of Cisco bashing in the past - but I have to say that 6500/7600 worked pretty well as peering routers at my previous e

Re: Comments or suggestions required Internap FCP 500 vs. OER

2005-11-09 Thread Matt Buford
We're looking at possibly purchasing a Internap FCP500, everything I hear about these boxes is good. We are simultaneously I have no experience with OER, but I have had a FCP5000 for a while now. We have numerous transit links, all of which have significantly more burst capacity than we act

Re: Peering VLANs and MAC addresses

2005-11-09 Thread Randy Bush
[ the voice of experience speaks ] > We used to police this policy semi-manually, but now the switch vendors do > decent hardware-based port-security/mac-locking functionality, so that > does it for us, and actually does it pretty well. > > - The switch learns the first address received on the

Re: Peering VLANs and MAC addresses

2005-11-09 Thread Lincoln Dale
Steven Bakker wrote: A lot of people are deploying C76xx as peering routers ... ... which should be prohibited by law. Actually, C76xx should be prohibited by law. i know the current sport de jour in nanog is vendor bashing - but what specifically do you see as faults in the c6500/7600?

Re: Peering VLANs and MAC addresses

2005-11-09 Thread Steven Bakker
On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 00:01 +, Mike Hughes wrote: > * How do you differentiate between a switch/router and a router? Ooh, that's easy: just look at the crap they spew towards the peering fabric. :-) > A lot of people are deploying C76xx as peering routers ... ... which should be prohibite

Re: Peering VLANs and MAC addresses

2005-11-09 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Wed, 9 Nov 2005, Robert Kiessling wrote: > Which rule would you suggest for the IXP? The naive "connect > only routers" wouldn't do of course in nowaday's world of > hybrids. yick hybrids...

Re: Peering VLANs and MAC addresses

2005-11-09 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Wed, Nov 09, 2005 at 11:59:38PM -, Chris Roberts wrote: > > I think the 'connect only routers' adage is probably a good conservative > motto to stick to. There are situations where connecting switches and > hybrids to IXPs is certainly more efficient and better suited, but only if > you kn

Re: Peering VLANs and MAC addresses

2005-11-09 Thread Mike Hughes
On Wed, 9 Nov 2005, Robert Kiessling wrote: > Which rule would you suggest for the IXP? The naive "connect > only routers" wouldn't do of course in nowaday's world of > hybrids. I've been following this with interest: * How do you differentiate between a switch/router and a router? A lot of

RE: Peering VLANs and MAC addresses

2005-11-09 Thread Chris Roberts
> > What is the problem with this for the IXP, assuming proper > safeguards are in place which are best practice anyway (BPDU > filters, port security, ...)? > Hello Robert :) > Which rule would you suggest for the IXP? The naive "connect > only routers" wouldn't do of course in nowaday's worl

Re: Peering VLANs and MAC addresses

2005-11-09 Thread Robert Kiessling
On Wed, 2005-11-09 at 11:55 -1000, Randy Bush wrote: > > > [IX---SwitchA---SwitchB---Router] > > I'm not saying that the practice is good, or recommended, > > or without peril. But it's certainly not isolated to the > > UK. > > perhaps it should be :-) > > as folk from all over read this list, i

Comments or suggestions required Internap FCP 500 vs. OER

2005-11-09 Thread Drew Weaver
We're looking at possibly purchasing a Internap FCP500, everything I hear about these boxes is good. We are simultaneously trying to decide if Cisco's Optimized Edge Routing solution (built into the IOS) should be a consideration as an alternative? We're basically just trying to find a sol

Re: Peering VLANs and MAC addresses

2005-11-09 Thread Randy Bush
> I'm not saying that the practice is good, or recommended, > or without peril. But it's certainly not isolated to the > UK. perhaps it should be :-) as folk from all over read this list, i just could not let discussion of how to do something that is generally broken and quite ill-advised go wit

Re: Peering VLANs and MAC addresses

2005-11-09 Thread Joe Abley
On 9-Nov-2005, at 16:35, Randy Bush wrote: IX---SwitchA---SwitchB---Router ok, i gotta ask. you folk really do this on exchanges? I seem to think I've seen people doing this at most exchanges ISC has installed an F-root node at. The motivation is usually the avoidance of either expe

Re: Peering VLANs and MAC addresses

2005-11-09 Thread Randy Bush
> IX---SwitchA---SwitchB---Router ok, i gotta ask. you folk really do this on exchanges? i guess so. well, if you're gonna shoot people for carrying backpacks, i guess shooting yourselves and eachother in the foot is small change, even if the coins are larger. randy

Re: Peering VLANs and MAC addresses

2005-11-09 Thread Stephen J. Wilcox
Hi Simon, so you have: IX---SwitchA---SwitchB---Router why not disable spanning tree? There is no redundancy here anyway so disable it in that particular VLAN. Steve On Wed, 9 Nov 2005, Simon Brilus wrote: > > Hi , > > We are unable to resolve a problem with our peering exchange connecti

Re: Peering VLANs and MAC addresses

2005-11-09 Thread Steven Bakker
On Wed, 2005-11-09 at 10:39 +, Simon Brilus wrote: > The peering exchange has an MoU that only 1 MAC address should be visible on > their switch. However they see 2 MAC addresses on our port. > > - MAC address of Peering router > - MAC address of the port they are connected to on switch A

Re: Peering VLANs and MAC addresses

2005-11-09 Thread Steven Bakker
On Wed, 2005-11-09 at 12:29 +0100, Arnold Nipper wrote: > no ip gratuitous-arps (general command) > > and > > no ip proxy-arp (interface subcommand) > > > makes your IXP-Operator even more happier. Depends on the IXP operator and the equipment being configured. Speaking for my particular n

Re: classful routes redux

2005-11-09 Thread Joseph S D Yao
On Tue, Nov 08, 2005 at 04:29:18PM +0100, Per Heldal wrote: ... > ... which is why I specifically said "no intention to ever connect to, > or communicates with nodes on, the global network". In which case > overlaps in adressblocks are irrelevant, as are any mention of NAT and > firewalls as there

Hotmail contact

2005-11-09 Thread Erik Sundberg
Hello trying to contact a hotmail postmaster admin... Can some one contact me off list or if any one has the number could you email it to me. All of the contact info at the below link is out of date and doesn't work. I get peoples personal cell phone numbers and the good old disconnected number

Re: Peering VLANs and MAC addresses

2005-11-09 Thread Arnold Nipper
On 09.11.2005 11:50 Ben Butler wrote *** Your mail has been scanned by InterScan VirusWall. ***-*** Hi, This should sort you out. no keepalive spanning-tree bpdufilter enable add no mop enabled if your IOS also supports DECnet. Having no ip gratu

RE: Peering VLANs and MAC addresses

2005-11-09 Thread Ben Butler
*** Your mail has been scanned by InterScan VirusWall. ***-*** Hi, This should sort you out. no keepalive spanning-tree bpdufilter enable Kind Regards Ben -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Simon Br

Peering VLANs and MAC addresses

2005-11-09 Thread Simon Brilus
Hi , We are unable to resolve a problem with our peering exchange connection and would like any assistance. Our peering setup is a follows: - Our peering exchange connection goes into switch A - Switch A has a dark fibre connection to switch B, which is in a different PoP - Our peering rou

Re: New improved Linux-foo(l) Worm noise

2005-11-09 Thread domain-admin
On Tuesday 08 Nov 2005 7:25 pm, Randy Bush wrote: > are you really an alias for fergie? Hehe, the great thing about this worm is when I checked my log files, we have less attempted exploits against the vulnerabilities since the worm was released? So not exactly a "Code Red". I don't think this