Re: AW: Odd policy question. (verification please)

2006-01-13 Thread Martin Hannigan
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Re: AW: Odd policy question.

2006-01-13 Thread Martin Hannigan
> > > > On Fri, 13 Jan 2006, Jeffrey I. Schiller wrote: > > > > > Let me attempt to bring this back to the policy question. > > > > Does someone have the *right* to put one of your IP addresses as an NS > > record for their domain even if you do not agree? > > Probably this is a multifaceted

Re: AW: Odd policy question.

2006-01-13 Thread Martin Hannigan
> > > > On Fri, 13 Jan 2006, Joe Abley wrote: > > > It seems to me that if someone else chooses to insert 32- or 128-bit > > integers > > of their choice into their zone files, then there's properly very little I > > can or should be able to do about it. But that's just me. > > So I'm sure

Re: AW: Odd policy question.

2006-01-13 Thread william(at)elan.net
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006, Joe Abley wrote: It seems to me that if someone else chooses to insert 32- or 128-bit integers of their choice into their zone files, then there's properly very little I can or should be able to do about it. But that's just me. So I'm sure you would not mind (and would

Re: AW: Odd policy question.

2006-01-13 Thread Simon Lyall
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006, Randy Bush wrote: > > it is a best practice to separate authoritative and recursive servers. > e.g. a small isp has a hundred auth zones (secondaried far > away and off-net, of course) and runs cache. why should > they separate auth from cache? and it means that you can use

Re: AW: Odd policy question.

2006-01-13 Thread Chris Owen
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006, Randy Bush wrote: > > it is a best practice to separate authoritative and recursive servers. > > why? > > e.g. a small isp has a hundred auth zones (secondaried far away and > off-net, of course) and runs cache. why should they separate auth from > cache? I absolutely hate

Re: AW: Odd policy question.

2006-01-13 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006, Jeffrey I. Schiller wrote: > > Let me attempt to bring this back to the policy question. > > Does someone have the *right* to put one of your IP addresses as an NS > record for their domain even if you do not agree? Probably this is a multifaceted question :( So.. If I unde

Re: Odd policy question.

2006-01-13 Thread Chris Owen
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006, Martin Hannigan wrote: > I heard something nasty about goatse.cx, but I checked www and I got: > > The registrar name servers have not been configured properly > > ..and nothing bad. I do think it's better to put up the page locally > though. > > > > > Granted that what your

Re: AW: Odd policy question.

2006-01-13 Thread Martin Hannigan
> > > On Fri, 13 Jan 2006, Jeffrey I. Schiller wrote: > > Let me attempt to bring this back to the policy question. > > > > Does someone have the *right* to put one of your IP addresses as an NS > > record for their domain even if you do not agree? > > > > Registrar policies imply that this is s

Re: AW: Odd policy question.

2006-01-13 Thread Joe Abley
On 13-Jan-2006, at 19:20, Sean Donelan wrote: On Fri, 13 Jan 2006, Jeffrey I. Schiller wrote: Let me attempt to bring this back to the policy question. Does someone have the *right* to put one of your IP addresses as an NS record for their domain even if you do not agree? Registrar polic

Re: AW: Odd policy question.

2006-01-13 Thread Sean Donelan
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006, Jeffrey I. Schiller wrote: > Let me attempt to bring this back to the policy question. > > Does someone have the *right* to put one of your IP addresses as an NS > record for their domain even if you do not agree? > > Registrar policies imply that this is so, and has been this

Re: AW: Odd policy question.

2006-01-13 Thread Jeffrey I. Schiller
Let me attempt to bring this back to the policy question. Does someone have the *right* to put one of your IP addresses as an NS record for their domain even if you do not agree? Registrar policies imply that this is so, and has been this way for a long time. A number of years ago (like 8-10 or

Re: AW: Odd policy question.

2006-01-13 Thread David W. Hankins
On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 12:57:22PM -1000, Randy Bush wrote: > at root, i am a naggumite. erik nagum was good at describing > why broken things should not be patched over. it's better to > amplify breakage if that's what it takes to get it fixed asap. In this case, the 'break' is only damaging if

Re: AW: Odd policy question.

2006-01-13 Thread Randy Bush
at root, i am a naggumite. erik nagum was good at describing why broken things should not be patched over. it's better to amplify breakage if that's what it takes to get it fixed asap. yes, this goes against "be liberal in what you accept." tough patooties, that way lies entropic death. an ana

Re: AW: Odd policy question.

2006-01-13 Thread bmanning
On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 12:09:51PM -1000, Randy Bush wrote: > > > Well, RFC2010 section 2.12 hints at cache pollution attacks, and that's > > been discussed already. Note that I can't seem to find the same claim > > in RFC2870, which obsoletes 2010 (and the direction against recursive > > servic

Re: AW: Odd policy question.

2006-01-13 Thread David W. Hankins
On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 12:07:11PM -1000, Randy Bush wrote: > and thereby hiding the fact that someone has either lame delegated > or i have forgotten to remove an auth zone, both cases i want to > catch. not a win here. Responding with stale data is, arguably, more damaging than failing to respo

Re: AW: Odd policy question.

2006-01-13 Thread Randy Bush
> I'm curious if the rest of my response was lost on you due to its > verbosity? no. it seemed to apply in some cases, and not in others. so it was useful info, but did not seem to be completely relevant to the more unconditional original position "it is a best practice to separate authoritativ

Re: AW: Odd policy question.

2006-01-13 Thread David W. Hankins
On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 12:09:51PM -1000, Randy Bush wrote: > > Well, RFC2010 section 2.12 hints at cache pollution attacks, and that's > > been discussed already. Note that I can't seem to find the same claim > > in RFC2870, which obsoletes 2010 (and the direction against recursive > > service is

Re: AW: Odd policy question.

2006-01-13 Thread Joe Abley
On 13-Jan-2006, at 17:07, Randy Bush wrote: it is a best practice to separate authoritative and recursive servers. why? Because it prevents stale, authoritative data on your nameservers being returned to intermediate-mode resolvers in the form of apparently authoritative answers, bypassing

Re: AW: Odd policy question.

2006-01-13 Thread Randy Bush
> Well, RFC2010 section 2.12 hints at cache pollution attacks, and that's > been discussed already. Note that I can't seem to find the same claim > in RFC2870, which obsoletes 2010 (and the direction against recursive > service is still there). despite others saying that 2870 should apply to ser

Re: AW: Odd policy question.

2006-01-13 Thread Randy Bush
>>> it is a best practice to separate authoritative and recursive >>> servers. >> why? > Because it prevents stale, authoritative data on your nameservers > being returned to intermediate-mode resolvers in the form of > apparently authoritative answers, bypassing a valid delegation chain >

Re: Is my router owned? How would I know?

2006-01-13 Thread Joseph S D Yao
On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 03:29:15AM +, Christopher L. Morrow wrote: ... > Some vendors have asked and received this sort of thing, does huwei (which > I butchered the spelling of) want one? (or need one?) how about netgear > and their lovely NTP issue? or checkpoint or ... there are quite a few

Re: AW: Odd policy question.

2006-01-13 Thread William Yardley
On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 01:47:48PM -0800, David W. Hankins wrote: > On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 10:09:51AM -1000, Randy Bush wrote: > > > it is a best practice to separate authoritative and recursive > > > servers. > > why? > I'm not sure anyone can answer that question. I certainly can't. > Not

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Re: AW: Odd policy question.

2006-01-13 Thread David W. Hankins
On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 10:09:51AM -1000, Randy Bush wrote: > > it is a best practice to separate authoritative and recursive servers. > > why? I'm not sure anyone can answer that question. I certainly can't. Not completely, anyway. There are too many variables and motivations. Some remember t

Re: AW: Odd policy question.

2006-01-13 Thread Joe Abley
On 13-Jan-2006, at 15:09, Randy Bush wrote: it is a best practice to separate authoritative and recursive servers. why? Because it prevents stale, authoritative data on your nameservers being returned to intermediate-mode resolvers in the form of apparently authoritative answers, bypa

RE: Odd policy question.

2006-01-13 Thread Drew Weaver
in named.conf zone "2.96.192.in-addr.arpa"{ type master; file "primary/bogus.ia"; }; in the zone file * PTR some.schmuck.lame.delegated.to.RAIN.PSG.COM. or zone "someschmuck.com" { type master; file "primary/bogus.fwd"; }; and @ MX

Re: AW: Odd policy question.

2006-01-13 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael Loftis writ es: > > > >--On January 13, 2006 10:09:51 AM -1000 Randy Bush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >>> it is a best practice to separate authoritative and recursive servers. >> >> why? > >Cache poisoning (though this is less likely with more modern bi

Re: AW: Odd policy question.

2006-01-13 Thread Randy Bush
> Cache poisoning let's assume that we're not dealing with the bugs of old versions of server software randy

Re: AW: Odd policy question.

2006-01-13 Thread Michael Loftis
--On January 13, 2006 10:09:51 AM -1000 Randy Bush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: it is a best practice to separate authoritative and recursive servers. why? Cache poisoning (though this is less likely with more modern bind's and other resolvers) and the age old your view is NOT the same a

Re: Odd policy question.

2006-01-13 Thread Martin Hannigan
> > > On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 08:32 -1000, Randy Bush wrote: > > > Don't forget: > > > wwwIN CNAME goatse.cx > > > > and don't forget the terminating dot on goatse.cx. > > > > but this did cause me to update those trapper zone files and > > bump the serials.

Re: AW: Odd policy question.

2006-01-13 Thread Randy Bush
> it is a best practice to separate authoritative and recursive servers. why? e.g. a small isp has a hundred auth zones (secondaried far away and off-net, of course) and runs cache. why should they separate auth from cache? randy

AW: Odd policy question.

2006-01-13 Thread John van Oppen
Assuming that you are running separate authoritative and recursive servers this would only be a problem when someone goes to a lame-delegated domain. It is probably also good to note that it is a best practice to separate authoritative and recursive servers. john -Ursprüngliche Nachric

Re: Odd policy question.

2006-01-13 Thread Christopher McCrory
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 08:32 -1000, Randy Bush wrote: > > Don't forget: > > wwwIN CNAME goatse.cx > > and don't forget the terminating dot on goatse.cx. > > but this did cause me to update those trapper zone files and > bump the serials. last time the serials

Re: Odd policy question.

2006-01-13 Thread Randy Bush
> Don't forget: > wwwIN CNAME goatse.cx and don't forget the terminating dot on goatse.cx. but this did cause me to update those trapper zone files and bump the serials. last time the serials had been bumped since 1995. so you had the suggestion of a decade.

Re: Odd policy question.

2006-01-13 Thread Chris Owen
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006, Randy Bush wrote: > > > Maybe not such an odd question; Anywhoo, we have quite a few > > people who register our IP addresses as nameservers, and then never > > delete the records. I don't suppose there is any way that we can delete > > these old records, we have appealed

Weekly Routing Table Report

2006-01-13 Thread Routing Table Analysis
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Re: Odd policy question.

2006-01-13 Thread Randy Bush
> Maybe not such an odd question; Anywhoo, we have quite a few > people who register our IP addresses as nameservers, and then never > delete the records. I don't suppose there is any way that we can delete > these old records, we have appealed to multiple registrars such as > godaddy, enom,

Odd policy question.

2006-01-13 Thread Drew Weaver
Maybe not such an odd question; Anywhoo, we have quite a few people who register our IP addresses as nameservers, and then never delete the records. I don't suppose there is any way that we can delete these old records, we have appealed to multiple registrars such as godaddy, enom, and the

The Cidr Report

2006-01-13 Thread cidr-report
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