Singapore seems to force all of their ISPs to send all HTTP requests
through a proxy that has a set of rules defining sites you are not allowed
to visit.
Owen
--On March 7, 2006 1:48:39 AM + "Christopher L. Morrow"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, Marco d'Itri wrote:
>
> Thus spake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Let's face it, IPv6 is close enough to IPv4 that any
> > attempt to put a price on IPv4 addresses will simply
> > cause a massive migration to free and plentiful IPv6
> > addresses.
>
> You assume that there will be a source of free and plentiful IPv6
addre
I love long discussion about dead cow (shim6). The early we forget about
this dumb idea the better.
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From: "Michael Loftis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: a plea re: shim6
>
>
>
> --On March 1, 2006 12:08:21 PM -0800 M
Not to digress too far, but, I guess that depends on your definition of
best.
I am sure that many peoples of this world would argue that capitalism has
been rather catastrophic in terms of resource allocation and resulting
effects with regard to oil, for example.
Owen
On 3/6/06 6:14 PM, "Stephen Sprunk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thus spake "Daniel Golding" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> On 3/6/06 10:25 AM, "Stephen Sprunk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> So, unless there's policy change, most end-user orgs will have no
>>> choice but to pay the market rate for IPv4
On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, Marco d'Itri wrote:
>
> On Mar 06, Rodney Joffe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > It appears that Italy has ordered Italian ISPs to block access to a
> > number of Internet Gambling sites. It would be interesting to see how
> > the Italian ISPs are handling this, what with dyn
On Mon, 06 Mar 2006 17:05:52 -0500
Daniel Golding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> ARIN (and/or RIPE, APNIC) should really use a bit of their budget surplus to
> provide a few grants to economics professors who are experts in commodity
> market issues. As engineers, we grope in the dark concerning
Thus spake "Daniel Golding" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On 3/6/06 10:25 AM, "Stephen Sprunk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
So, unless there's policy change, most end-user orgs will have no
choice but to pay the market rate for IPv4 addresses. Spot markets
are good when demand is elastic, but we're faced
On Mar 06, Rodney Joffe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It appears that Italy has ordered Italian ISPs to block access to a
> number of Internet Gambling sites. It would be interesting to see how
> the Italian ISPs are handling this, what with dynamic DNS and all
> that...
So far, the method o
On 3/6/06 10:25 AM, "Stephen Sprunk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Thus spake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Let's face it, IPv6 is close enough to IPv4 that any
>> attempt to put a price on IPv4 addresses will simply
>> cause a massive migration to free and plentiful IPv6
>> addresses.
>
> You assume
This just means that there will be an offshore proxy market in the near
future.
Owen
--On March 6, 2006 12:41:24 PM -0700 Rodney Joffe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> It appears that Italy has ordered Italian ISPs to block access to a
> number of Internet Gambling sites. It would be interesting
--On March 6, 2006 12:46:51 PM +0100 Iljitsch van Beijnum
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 6-mrt-2006, at 3:52, Roland Dobbins wrote:
>
>> fixed geographic allocations (another nonstarter for reasons which
>> have been elucidated previously)
>
> What I hear is "any type of geography can't
Rodney Joffe wrote:
>
> It appears that Italy has ordered Italian ISPs to block access to a
> number of Internet Gambling sites. It would be interesting to see how
> the Italian ISPs are handling this, what with dynamic DNS and all that...
>
where is the world going to ? what's next: banning of
It appears that Italy has ordered Italian ISPs to block access to a
number of Internet Gambling sites. It would be interesting to see how
the Italian ISPs are handling this, what with dynamic DNS and all
that...
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Randy Bush wrote:
Cut the ground wire in your power cords but ground the equipment
directly to a metal frame.
i strongly recommend that you do this, especially in your 240vac
environment. excellent solution to a lot of problems.
Don't even joke about doing this, please. If there is potent
Stephen,
> I'm not a fan of "build it and they will come" engineering.
I suppose a reasonable question one could ask is this: who's the
customer? Is the customer the ISP? I tend to actually it's the end
enterprise. But that's just me.
Eliot
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On (06/03/06 09:45), Berkman, Scott wrote:
>
> The best things I see coming out of the merger will be the drive
> for improvement and innovation.
having recently lived in a BS-service area I can say that there is no
improvement or innovation c
Going down to three companies controlling all of the last mile copper
doesn't change very much.
Regardless of who owns it, there has always been only been one
company to get local loop/last mile from. SBC and BellSouth (or BS as I
like to call it) have never been in any direct competitio
On 3/6/2006 7:17 AM, Omachonu O. Ogali wrote:
> Section 271 of "The Act" prevented RBOCs from selling long distance
> unless if they truly opened their networks to competitive access by
> CLECs (UNE-Ps primarily
Right, LD was the carrot in the MFJ
> Then, AT&T and Sprint exit the long dist
Thus spake "Justin M. Streiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Mon, 6 Mar 2006, Christian Kuhtz wrote:
That being said, the 'new ATT' with all those assets will need to be
integrated, and work efficiently. Turf battles will ensue. Tens of
Integration, going on past experience, is highly unlikely.
Thus spake "Eliot Lear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Stephen Sprunk wrote:
Shim6 is an answer to "what kind of multihoming can we offer to sites
without PI space?"; it is yet to be seen if anyone cares about the
answer to that question.
This argument is circular. The only real way to test demand is t
On Mon, 6 Mar 2006, Christian Kuhtz wrote:
That being said, the 'new ATT' with all those assets will need to be
integrated, and work efficiently. Turf battles will ensue. Tens of
Integration, going on past experience, is highly unlikely. The last time
I had any interaction with Worldcom r
Stephen,
> Thus spake "Tony Li" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Stephen Sprunk wrote:
> >>Who exactly has been trying to find scalable routing solutions?
> >
> >Well, for the last decade or so, there's been a small group of us who
> >have been working towards a new routing architecture. Primary
>
Thus spake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Let's face it, IPv6 is close enough to IPv4 that any
attempt to put a price on IPv4 addresses will simply
cause a massive migration to free and plentiful IPv6
addresses.
You assume that there will be a source of free and plentiful IPv6 addresses.
AFAIK, none of
On Mar 5, 2006, at 8:05 PM, Eric A. Hall wrote:
On 3/5/2006 7:10 PM, Steve Sobol wrote:
Eric A. Hall wrote:
What are people worried about here exactly?
The same lack of competition in telecommunications that we had in
the 1980s?
Well that's an overreach. And if the primary concern i
Thus spake "Tony Li" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Stephen Sprunk wrote:
Who exactly has been trying to find scalable routing solutions?
Well, for the last decade or so, there's been a small group of us who
have been working towards a new routing architecture. Primary
influences in my mind are Chiappa
On Mon, Mar 06, 2006 at 09:49:39AM -0500, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
>
> On Mon, 06 Mar 2006 21:17:17 +1100
> Matthew Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > (In the
> > UK where I served my apprenticeship, we were required to provide earth
> > bonding to the copper plumbing system, additiona
On Mon, 06 Mar 2006 21:17:17 +1100
Matthew Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> (In the
> UK where I served my apprenticeship, we were required to provide earth
> bonding to the copper plumbing system, additional bonding at every
> exposed fitting - this caused a few issues when plumbers firs
Randy Bush wrote:
Cut the ground wire in your power cords but ground the equipment
directly to a metal frame.
i strongly recommend that you do this, especially in your 240vac
environment. excellent solution to a lot of problems.
randy
I agree, dont propose this to a wood logger :)
But y
On Mar 6, 2006, at 4:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sadly, many of the folks who are involved with ARIN are sadly short
sighted
in this regard. They dismiss both the idea of an address market
upon v4
exhaustion and the idea of clear title to address blocks.
I can imagine a similar sce
Stephen Sprunk wrote:
> Shim6 is an answer to "what kind of multihoming can we offer to sites
> without PI space?"; it is yet to be seen if anyone cares about the
> answer to that question.
This argument is circular. The only real way to test demand is to offer
a service and see if customers bite
On 5-mrt-2006, at 20:38, Matthew Petach wrote:
Hotmail runs shim6 so that multihomed Hotmail users can keep sending
mail even when one ISP fails, while Gmail doesn't?
The customers who can't reach gmail will call their ISP to complain
about
the Internet being broken. They're not going to c
> Cut the ground wire in your power cords but ground the equipment
> directly to a metal frame.
i strongly recommend that you do this, especially in your 240vac
environment. excellent solution to a lot of problems.
randy
On 6-mrt-2006, at 2:34, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
What Tony said, especially about what happened to 8+8. A lot of the
grounds for rejection were security, but there wasn't a single
security
person on the committee. In my opinion, most of the arguments just
didn't hold up.
[RB = routing b
On Sun, 5 Mar 2006, Roland Dobbins wrote:
Given the manifold difficulties we're facing today as a result of these two
design decisions (#2 is a 'hidden' reason behind untold amounts of capex and
opex being spent in frustratingly nonproductive ways), perhaps it is time to
consider declaring t
On 6-mrt-2006, at 3:52, Roland Dobbins wrote:
fixed geographic allocations (another nonstarter for reasons which
have been elucidated previously)
What I hear is "any type of geography can't work because network
topology != geography". That's like saying cars can't work because
they can't
On Mon, 6 Mar 2006, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
Let's say we put a price of $1 per year per IP address you want allocated to
you. For the people really using their IP addresses according to current
policy, this is nothing. For the people with historic allocations (/8 for
instance), they would re
Jon,
Peter Dambier wrote:
Cut the ground wire in your power cords but ground the equipment directly
to a metal frame.
As a time-served electrician... *DO NOT DO THIS* - it will kill
someone.
However
You could try separate earth bonding of each components (ie connecting
all t
On 6 mar 2006, at 11.10, Per Heldal wrote:
On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 13:35:02 +0100, "Kurt Erik Lindqvist"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
On 2 mar 2006, at 21.42, Andre Oppermann wrote:
Putting routing decisions
into the transport layer (4) as it is done or proposed with SCTP and
SHIM6 is Total Evil
> RF problem or not, how would you track down this problem?
To start with I would install some cheap equipment that
is more likely to fail so that you can INCREASE your
failure rate and get some more data. Maybe consumer grade
DSL switch/routers or something like that. Also, talk to
radio expert
On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 13:35:02 +0100, "Kurt Erik Lindqvist"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
>
> On 2 mar 2006, at 21.42, Andre Oppermann wrote:
>
> > Putting routing decisions
> > into the transport layer (4) as it is done or proposed with SCTP and
> > SHIM6 is Total Evilness(tm) in my book.
>
> Not
On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Let's face it, IPv6 is close enough to IPv4 that any attempt to put a
price on IPv4 addresses will simply cause a massive migration to free
and plentiful IPv6 addresses.
Let's say we put a price of $1 per year per IP address you want allocated
to
> I can tell you this: the only scalable solutions
> on the horizon are:
>
> - moving multihoming related state out of the DFZ (this is what shim6
> does)
This is what geo-topological addressing does.
> - remove the requirement that every DFZ router carries every prefix,
> which can't be don
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/03/2006 00:16:28:
> > On 3-mrt-2006, at 11:30, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> The term LIR is used in IPv6 allocation policy in all regions
>
> no
Yes.
I checked all 5 RIR sites and they all use the term LIR
in their IPv6 policy. This is by design since the origina
> Sadly, many of the folks who are involved with ARIN are sadly short
sighted
> in this regard. They dismiss both the idea of an address market upon v4
> exhaustion and the idea of clear title to address blocks.
I can imagine a similar scenario in the boardrooms
of Exxon et al. A young executiv
On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 20:17:26 +0100, "Iljitsch van Beijnum"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> On 4-mrt-2006, at 14:07, Kevin Day wrote:
>
[snip]
>
> > Unless we start now working on getting people moved to IPv6, the
> > pain of running out of IPv4 before IPv6 has reached critical mass
> > is goin
On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 13:59:18 +0100, "Kurt Erik Lindqvist"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
>
> On 3 mar 2006, at 04.13, Marshall Eubanks wrote:
>
> > I would be surprised if Shim6 going into actual deployed boxes was
> > any faster. So, if Shim6 was finalized today, which it won't be,
> > in 20
Roland Dobbins wrote:
On Mar 3, 2006, at 10:50 AM, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
> OTOH, hosts go a lot longer between upgrades and generally don't have
> professional admins. It'll be a long, long time (if ever) until shim6
> is deployed widely enough for folks to literally bet their company on
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