Re: Determine difference between 2 BGP feeds

2006-04-18 Thread Tuc
> More than likely, one provider is feeding too many routes -- some that I > have run across tend to feed more specific internal routes (read: > redistributing IGP into BGP) to customer BGP sessions. > > The two I've run across, after I yelled, they fixed. > I quickly took a look for a

Re: Is your ISP Influenza-ready?

2006-04-18 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 14:55:11 -1000, Randy Bush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > According to the wikipedia's quote of WHO the weighted average > > mortality rate, which would be across 50 human cases, is 66% in 2006, > > and 56% across all 194 cases reported since 2004. > > > >

Re: Is your ISP Influenza-ready?

2006-04-18 Thread Randy Bush
> According to the wikipedia's quote of WHO the weighted average > mortality rate, which would be across 50 human cases, is 66% in 2006, > and 56% across all 194 cases reported since 2004. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H5N1 is this different if you run is-is as opposed to os

Re: Is your ISP Influenza-ready?

2006-04-18 Thread Barry Shein
According to the wikipedia's quote of WHO the weighted average mortality rate, which would be across 50 human cases, is 66% in 2006, and 56% across all 194 cases reported since 2004. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H5N1 -- -Barry Shein The World | [EMAIL PR

RE: Determine difference between 2 BGP feeds

2006-04-18 Thread Alex Rubenstein
More than likely, one provider is feeding too many routes -- some that I have run across tend to feed more specific internal routes (read: redistributing IGP into BGP) to customer BGP sessions. The two I've run across, after I yelled, they fixed. On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Mike Walter wrote:

Re: Is your ISP Influenza-ready?

2006-04-18 Thread Rusty Dekema
On 4/18/06, Crist Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Uhh... I think, I _hope_ that we are talking about 40% of your > workforce NOT SHOWING UP TO THE OFFICE for days or weeks, not > dropping dead, not even necessarily getting sick. > > A 40% mortality rate among otherwise healthy adults, and we ha

Re: Determine difference between 2 BGP feeds

2006-04-18 Thread Bill Nash
On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, David Andersen wrote: Much of what Bill described below is already present using Nick Feamster's bgptools release: http://nms.lcs.mit.edu/software/bgp/bgptools/ Start with zebra / quagga / etc., which do a great job of dumping tables and updates. Then use bgptools to

Re: Determine difference between 2 BGP feeds

2006-04-18 Thread Tuc
Hi, Thanks for all the replies! I've consolidated them here hoping to save some noise > From: Bill Nash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Were I faced with this reporting equirement on an on-going basis, I'd >suggest establishing a read-only BGP peer with both devices and comparing >directly.

RE: Determine difference between 2 BGP feeds

2006-04-18 Thread Lasher, Donn
On Apr 18, Scott Tuc Ellentuch at T-B-O-H <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there a utility that I can use that will pull the routes off each > router (Foundry preferred), and then compare them as best it can to > see why there is such a difference? I have one, but it's cisco-specific: >

Re: Determine difference between 2 BGP feeds

2006-04-18 Thread David Andersen
Much of what Bill described below is already present using Nick Feamster's bgptools release: http://nms.lcs.mit.edu/software/bgp/ bgptools/ Start with zebra / quagga / etc., which do a great job of dumping tables and updates. Then use bgptools to take the MRT-formatted dumps that Zebra sp

Re: Is your ISP Influenza-ready?

2006-04-18 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:53:33 PDT, "David W. Hankins" said: > So, which 40% can you afford to lose? How likely is it that the 60% > that's left behind will be able to do the job? Will they need step-by- > step instructions so that even an untrained monkey can muddle through? As we all find out t

Re: Determine difference between 2 BGP feeds

2006-04-18 Thread Bill Nash
Were I faced with this reporting equirement on an on-going basis, I'd suggest establishing a read-only BGP peer with both devices and comparing directly. I've got a perl BGP peering daemon that feeds and maintains a mirror of the BGP routing table into SQL, applying updates and withdrawals

Re: Determine difference between 2 BGP feeds

2006-04-18 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 04:28:40PM -0400, Scott Tuc Ellentuch at T-B-O-H wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Scott Tuc Ellentuch at T-B-O-H wrote: > > > > > Is there a utility that I can use that will pull the > > > routes off each router (Foundry preferred), and then compare > > > them as

Re: Is your ISP Influenza-ready?

2006-04-18 Thread David W. Hankins
On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 12:43:11PM -0700, Crist Clark wrote: > Barry Shein wrote: > >So if you're really expecting something as macro as 40% of the > >population dropping dead I think one has to think much bigger and much > >more in the realm of unexpected consequences. > > Uhh... I think, I _hop

Re: Determine difference between 2 BGP feeds

2006-04-18 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Apr 18, Scott Tuc Ellentuch at T-B-O-H <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there a utility that I can use that will pull the > routes off each router (Foundry preferred), and then compare > them as best it can to see why there is such a difference? I have one, but it's cisco-specific: htt

Re: Determine difference between 2 BGP feeds

2006-04-18 Thread John Kristoff
On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 16:13:12 -0400 (EDT) Scott "Tuc" Ellentuch at T-B-O-H <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there a utility that I can use that will pull the > routes off each router (Foundry preferred), and then compare > them as best it can to see why there is such a difference? I don't

Re: Determine difference between 2 BGP feeds

2006-04-18 Thread Warren Kumari
On Apr 18, 2006, at 1:19 PM, Mike Walter wrote: Sounds to me like one of your providers is not feeding you the full internet routing table. Have you checked with them to see if they are providing you that? Sounds to me like a: you are only looking at best routes or b: one of the provider

Re: Determine difference between 2 BGP feeds

2006-04-18 Thread Tuc
> > On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Scott Tuc Ellentuch at T-B-O-H wrote: > > > Is there a utility that I can use that will pull the > > routes off each router (Foundry preferred), and then compare > > them as best it can to see why there is such a difference? > > I can understand a handful of routes o

RE: Determine difference between 2 BGP feeds

2006-04-18 Thread Mike Walter
Sounds to me like one of your providers is not feeding you the full internet routing table. Have you checked with them to see if they are providing you that? Mike Walter Systems Administrator -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott "Tuc"

Re: Determine difference between 2 BGP feeds

2006-04-18 Thread Jon Lewis
On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Scott Tuc Ellentuch at T-B-O-H wrote: Is there a utility that I can use that will pull the routes off each router (Foundry preferred), and then compare them as best it can to see why there is such a difference? I can understand a handful of routes over what CIDR say

Determine difference between 2 BGP feeds

2006-04-18 Thread Tuc
Hi, We receive a BGP feed from different providers on two different routers. While one seems to be a reasonable amount of feeds after reviewing the CIDR report, the other is anywhere from 3K to 10K more routes. Is there a utility that I can use that will pull the routes off eac

Re: Is your ISP Influenza-ready?

2006-04-18 Thread Susan Harris
Sorry! I should have said that my deadline was early this morning (EST.) On Tue, 18 Apr 2006, Crist Clark wrote: Barry Shein wrote: [snip] So if you're really expecting something as macro as 40% of the population dropping dead I think one has to think much bigger and much more in the realm

Re: Is your ISP Influenza-ready?

2006-04-18 Thread Crist Clark
Barry Shein wrote: [snip] So if you're really expecting something as macro as 40% of the population dropping dead I think one has to think much bigger and much more in the realm of unexpected consequences. Uhh... I think, I _hope_ that we are talking about 40% of your workforce NOT SHOWING UP

Re: Is your ISP Influenza-ready?

2006-04-18 Thread Barry Shein
On April 18, 2006 at 10:53 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David W. Hankins) wrote: > On Mon, Apr 17, 2006 at 02:05:41PM -0400, Jared Mauch wrote: > >Back to the original question, how well could you cope for such > > an event? It's always challenging to think about what would happen > > as sometimes

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Re: Is your ISP Influenza-ready?

2006-04-18 Thread Marshall Eubanks
Hello; On Apr 18, 2006, at 1:53 PM, David W. Hankins wrote: On Mon, Apr 17, 2006 at 02:05:41PM -0400, Jared Mauch wrote: Back to the original question, how well could you cope for such an event? It's always challenging to think about what would happen as sometimes it includes the une

Re: Is your ISP Influenza-ready?

2006-04-18 Thread David W. Hankins
On Mon, Apr 17, 2006 at 02:05:41PM -0400, Jared Mauch wrote: > Back to the original question, how well could you cope for such > an event? It's always challenging to think about what would happen > as sometimes it includes the unexpected. All the guidance suggests you're going to lose as mu

Re: Is your ISP Influenza-ready?

2006-04-18 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 22:34:45 +0530, Suresh Ramasubramanian said: > Probably sell them a product where b/w is burstable to a much higher > level - at least for short periods of time, to deal with sudden use > spikes (or to create extra capacity for those periodic trojan > outbreaks that will otherw

Re: Is your ISP Influenza-ready?

2006-04-18 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
On 4/18/06, Martin Hannigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Vendors like it because it's a revenue boost. It obviously requires > build-ahead > capacity and maintenance of overload capacity that will likely sit > idle for 99% > of it's life span. Who pays? > > [ ..hears ISP product managers scurry

Re: data center space

2006-04-18 Thread Mike Sawicki
On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 09:34:41AM -0700, Philip Lavine wrote: > > Can someone tell me if I am out of luck. I am trying to get a 10x10 cage in > New Jersey (Jersey City area) but it seems everybody is at capacity. What > happened? > Try VZN/MCI Carteret, down the Turnpike about 8 miles. --

Re: data center space

2006-04-18 Thread Alain Hebert
If its like Montreal. The cost of electricity is getting high enought that Colo Space is better spend per rack than on a cage. I saw Colo literally double the price of big customer (cages) to get ride of them for rack space. Philip Lavine wrote: Can someone tell me if I am out of

data center space

2006-04-18 Thread Philip Lavine
Can someone tell me if I am out of luck. I am trying to get a 10x10 cage in New Jersey (Jersey City area) but it seems everybody is at capacity. What happened?

Re: Is your ISP Influenza-ready?

2006-04-18 Thread Michael . Dillon
> I think a lot of people would love to know just how they plan > to make that happen. :-) Well, they could require companies to test their ability to handle homeworking by having employees work from home on some kind of rota system. This would change traffic patterns quite a bit and that could c