Anyone got numbers on peering vs transit?

2006-05-04 Thread Aleksi Suhonen
Hello, I wonder if anyone has done any estimates on how many percent of the Internet traffic: A) does not pass a peering relationship (i.e. is AS internal or passes through transit connections only) B) passes a public peering relationship C) passes a private peering relationship I know this

Re: AOL 421 errors (and 554 errors too)

2006-05-04 Thread Joseph W. Breu
At the risk of posting a 'me too' email, we have also had issues getting a similar problem resolved with AOL. We have been receiving numerous ISP:B2 and ISP:B3 rejection codes from AOL email servers. We have contacted their postmaster # as posted on their website and each time talked with a very

Re: Multi ISP DDOS

2006-05-04 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 08:21:04PM -0400, Martin Hannigan wrote: > The killer here is that they asked a lot of people a year ago whether this > was a good idea and everyone said no. Agreed. It's just the latest in the series of fiascos that we've seen when people try to respond to abuse with abu

Re: Multi ISP DDOS

2006-05-04 Thread Martin Hannigan
At 07:16 PM 5/4/2006, william(at)elan.net wrote: On Thu, 4 May 2006, Martin Hannigan wrote: At 11:15 AM 5/3/2006, John Levine wrote: >Uh. Who let the Frog out? > >http://www.wired.com/news/technology/internet/0,70798-0.html?tw=r ss .technology It's all explained here: http://weblog.johnle

Re: Multi ISP DDOS

2006-05-04 Thread william(at)elan.net
On Thu, 4 May 2006, Martin Hannigan wrote: At 11:15 AM 5/3/2006, John Levine wrote: >Uh. Who let the Frog out? > >http://www.wired.com/news/technology/internet/0,70798-0.html?tw=rss .technology It's all explained here: http://weblog.johnlevine.com/2006/05/03 And this just hit wires with

Google - Contact

2006-05-04 Thread Sanfilippo, Ted
  Does anyone have a Google contact I can email, other then whats posted on the website? I have been emailing the posted contacts and have not received any response. Thanks  

Re: Multi ISP DDOS

2006-05-04 Thread Martin Hannigan
At 11:15 AM 5/3/2006, John Levine wrote: >Uh. Who let the Frog out? > >http://www.wired.com/news/technology/internet/0,70798-0.html?tw=rss .technology It's all explained here: http://weblog.johnlevine.com/2006/05/03 And this just hit wires with quotes from Renesys and SANS ISC. http://w

Crystal Tech

2006-05-04 Thread Elijah Savage
Is there anyone on the list from crystaltech.com if so can someone contact me off list. Your customers are having problems reaching my mx record and mail from you all to our domains are bouncing.

Re: Tier Zero (was Re: Tier 2 - Lease?)

2006-05-04 Thread Aaron Glenn
On 5/4/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: why would anyone do that? --bill Some companies feel entitled to charging more for their routes than they would for simple transit. aaron.glenn

Re: AOL 421 errors

2006-05-04 Thread Jim Popovitch
Matthew Black wrote: For what it's worth, I received a very nice e-mail and had an extended telephone conversation with a third-tier support manager from AOL. They do respond and that's why I placed my original post on this thread. I too received contact from AOL, and they have been extremel

Re: AOL 421 errors

2006-05-04 Thread Matthew Black
On Thu, 4 May 2006 10:47:28 -0700 (PDT) Matt Ghali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, 3 May 2006, Joe Maimon wrote: You know, people say things like this a lot. Its not relevant. What is relevant is how AOL is supposed to know that a) the email considered for rejection is actually wanted

Re: Tier Zero (was Re: Tier 2 - Lease?)

2006-05-04 Thread Brandon Ross
Well, I suppose that depends on what you mean by Tier 1. ;-) We do buy from a number of providers, many of which would be considered Tier 1 by many people. On Thu, 4 May 2006, Jon Lyons wrote: Internap? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 11:25:35AM -0500, John Dupuy wrote:

Re: AOL 421 errors

2006-05-04 Thread Matt Ghali
On Wed, 3 May 2006, Joe Maimon wrote: You know, people say things like this a lot. Its not relevant. What is relevant is how AOL is supposed to know that a) the email considered for rejection is actually wanted b) and wanted by AOL employees themselves And if they did know how to accuratel

Re: AOL 421 errors

2006-05-04 Thread Matt Ghali
Don't barrage them with bogus joejob bounce notifications? IIRC that is a feature of your mail configuration down there. matto On Wed, 3 May 2006, Matthew Black wrote: We've noticed a surge in 421 e-mail errors from AOL. Message soft bounced for '[EMAIL PROTECTED]', '4.3.2 - Not accepting me

Re: Tier Zero (was Re: Tier 2 - Lease?)

2006-05-04 Thread Martin Hannigan
At 12:57 PM 5/4/2006, Jon Lyons wrote: Internap? Yes. That's what I was thinking, but too easy? -M< -- Martin Hannigan(c) 617-388-2663 Renesys Corporation(w) 617-395-8574 Member of Technical Staff Networ

Re: Tier Zero (was Re: Tier 2 - Lease?)

2006-05-04 Thread Jon Lyons
Internap?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 11:25:35AM -0500, John Dupuy wrote:> > From an off-list discussion:> > Does anyone know of an ISP that has paid transit from all known SFP > (Tier 1) providers? (sort of the old SAVVIS model on steroids.)> > John why would anyone do that?--

Re: Tier Zero (was Re: Tier 2 - Lease?)

2006-05-04 Thread Jon Lyons
Internap?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 11:25:35AM -0500, John Dupuy wrote:> > From an off-list discussion:> > Does anyone know of an ISP that has paid transit from all known SFP > (Tier 1) providers? (sort of the old SAVVIS model on steroids.)> > John why would anyone do that?--

Re: Tier Zero (was Re: Tier 2 - Lease?)

2006-05-04 Thread bmanning
On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 11:25:35AM -0500, John Dupuy wrote: > > From an off-list discussion: > > Does anyone know of an ISP that has paid transit from all known SFP > (Tier 1) providers? (sort of the old SAVVIS model on steroids.) > > John why would anyone do that? --bill

Tier Zero (was Re: Tier 2 - Lease?)

2006-05-04 Thread John Dupuy
From an off-list discussion: Does anyone know of an ISP that has paid transit from all known SFP (Tier 1) providers? (sort of the old SAVVIS model on steroids.) John

Re: AOL 421 errors

2006-05-04 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
On 5/4/06, Simon Waters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just point your intended receivers to AOL's help desk. That just creates Chinese whispers. You can probably do that - but dont astroturf the postmasters, dont setup boilerplate that you ask people to email in en masse to their abuse desk o

Re: AOL 421 errors

2006-05-04 Thread Simon Waters
On Wednesday 03 May 2006 22:28, Joe Maimon wrote: > > > You know, people say things like this a lot. Its not relevant. What is > relevant is how AOL is supposed to know that On the subject of which I'm in discussion with AOL to get email through that contains something which is a known spammers

Re: Tier 2 - Lease?

2006-05-04 Thread Michael . Dillon
> to underline a point made previously though: Tier-1 is a routing > architecture term that doesn't have any useful direct bearing in how > best to select a service provider. some of the best service providers > in the world are not "tier-1" and some of the worst are ( i won't name > members of