Re: a fun hijack: 1/8, 2/8, 3/8, 4/8, 5/8, 7/8, 8/8, 12/8 briefly announced by AS 23520 (today)

2006-06-07 Thread Hank Nussbacher
At 01:58 PM 07-06-06 -0500, Gadi Evron wrote: On Wed, 7 Jun 2006, Hank Nussbacher wrote: > > On Wed, 7 Jun 2006, Josh Karlin wrote: > > I don't expect better from NW Network Cable, but I definitely expect > better from Sprint (their upstream). But this hasn't been the first and > most unfortuna

Re: Zebra/linux device production networking?

2006-06-07 Thread alex
On Wed, 7 Jun 2006, Justin W. Pauler wrote: > > I'm running ImageStream routers for the Internet distribution side of my > network (2 edge routers, 2 core routers) and I'm extremely happy... This > is a datacenter network and my customers are happy, I guess that's all > that counts. > > In my o

Re: Zebra/linux device production networking?

2006-06-07 Thread Joseph S D Yao
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 09:31:51PM +0530, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > > On 6/7/06, Nick Burke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >First, a little background.. > >My CTO made my stomach curdle today when he announced that he wanted to > >do away with all our cisco [routers] and instead use Linux/zeb

Re: Phantom packet loss is being shown when using pathping in connection with asynchronous routing - although there is no real loss.

2006-06-07 Thread Joseph S D Yao
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 12:49:04PM -0700, Joe Abley wrote: > On 7-Jun-2006, at 12:35, Joseph S D Yao wrote: > > >I can't tell you what is going on. But I can ask, (a) why are you > >doing > >asymmetrical routing in the first place? > > For any non-trivial path, it seems to me that asymmetry i

Re: Zebra/linux device production networking?

2006-06-07 Thread Justin W. Pauler
I'm running ImageStream routers for the Internet distribution side of my network (2 edge routers, 2 core routers) and I'm extremely happy... This is a datacenter network and my customers are happy, I guess that's all that counts. In my opinion, I prefer to go with a open-source based solution be

Re: Phantom packet loss is being shown when using pathping in connection with asynchronous routing - although there is no real loss.

2006-06-07 Thread Joe Abley
On 7-Jun-2006, at 12:35, Joseph S D Yao wrote: I can't tell you what is going on. But I can ask, (a) why are you doing asymmetrical routing in the first place? For any non-trivial path, it seems to me that asymmetry in forward and return paths is normal. Symmetrical paths are the except

Re: Phantom packet loss is being shown when using pathping in connection with asynchronous routing - although there is no real loss.

2006-06-07 Thread Joseph S D Yao
On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 05:19:33PM +0200, Gunther Stammwitz wrote: > > Hallo colleagues, > > Maybe someone of you can help me to understand the phenomenon of pack loss > when using asynchronous routing? > > I have customers who are complaining about packet loss and they are > providing me with

Re: Zebra/linux device production networking? (summary)

2006-06-07 Thread Stephen Stuart
> I've seen confliction on if *bsd or linux is better, this (hopefully) > isn't that surprising to anyone. You should do a PPS throughput analysis of your own to see which OS works better on the hardware that you plan to use. Drivers, and the susceptibility of the kernel to livelock, are where t

Re: a fun hijack: 1/8, 2/8, 3/8, 4/8, 5/8, 7/8, 8/8, 12/8 briefly announced by AS 23520 (today)

2006-06-07 Thread Josh Karlin
Wonder if it was intentional or a 'classful' issue. This is why we (Level 3) and ATT announce the /9s of 4/8, 8/8, and 12/8 :) -Kevin The /9s were stolen too, as well as a host of other prefixes. I just listed the biggies that I was pretty sure didn't belong to 23520. No clue if it

Re: a fun hijack: 1/8, 2/8, 3/8, 4/8, 5/8, 7/8, 8/8, 12/8 briefly announced by AS 23520 (today)

2006-06-07 Thread Gadi Evron
On Wed, 7 Jun 2006, Hank Nussbacher wrote: > > On Wed, 7 Jun 2006, Josh Karlin wrote: > > I don't expect better from NW Network Cable, but I definitely expect > better from Sprint (their upstream). But this hasn't been the first and > most unfortunately, not the last, cuz, almost no one gives a

Re: Zebra/linux device production networking?

2006-06-07 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, william(at)elan.net <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >you should be able >to set linux that is secure as freebsd. There are some differences >in the routing code whereas Linux is designed with per-flow based >switching in mind (which works very well when used as a server)

Re: a fun hijack: 1/8, 2/8, 3/8, 4/8, 5/8, 7/8, 8/8, 12/8 briefly announced by AS 23520 (today)

2006-06-07 Thread Hank Nussbacher
On Wed, 7 Jun 2006, Josh Karlin wrote: I don't expect better from NW Network Cable, but I definitely expect better from Sprint (their upstream). But this hasn't been the first and most unfortunately, not the last, cuz, almost no one gives a f*ck anymore. -Hank > > Check out the IAR for "Potent

a fun hijack: 1/8, 2/8, 3/8, 4/8, 5/8, 7/8, 8/8, 12/8 briefly announced by AS 23520 (today)

2006-06-07 Thread Josh Karlin
Check out the IAR for "Potential Prefix Hijacks" and if you're coming to this more than 24 hours after the post, do a search on AS 23520 as the hijacking AS. I don't know how long the routes were announced, but they seem to be gone now. Or maybe the IAR is horribly broken, in which case I will

Re: Zebra/linux device production networking? (summary)

2006-06-07 Thread Jon Lewis
On Wed, 7 Jun 2006, Nick Burke wrote: What about better case situations?* IE: toe cards custom kernel no moving parts (ie: hard drive, maybe fans if possible) up-to-date software packages with internal coders to fix ugly bugs, etc actual research into what packages & hardware would be best I

Re: Zebra/linux device production networking? (summary)

2006-06-07 Thread Nick Burke
Thanks to all for all the feedback! It seems what a lot of people are saying is that it's almost acceptable (in that, you shouldn't if you can afford other devices), given the right time and engineering. The cost of supporting seems to be unanimously higher then going with a specific vendor.

2006.06.06 NANOG-NOTES DDoS attack information collection

2006-06-07 Thread Matthew Petach
Information collection on DDoS attacks, Anna Claiborne, Prolexic Technologies. [slides are at: http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0606/pdf/anna-claiborne.pdf DDoS mitigation service. personal experience mitigating over 150 DDoS attacks. Popular topic, but nobody talks about how you can defend yourself or

Re: Zebra/linux device production networking?

2006-06-07 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
On 6/7/06, Nick Burke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: First, a little background.. My CTO made my stomach curdle today when he announced that he wanted to do away with all our cisco [routers] and instead use Linux/zebra boxen. This looks reasonable .. http://www.linux-vpn.de/lr101.php -- Suresh Ra

Subject: Found power supply at NANOG37

2006-06-07 Thread Duane Wessels
Found: HP laptop power supply left on a large round table late tuesday night in the main hallway. Here's hoping you have enough juice left to read this email...

Re: Zebra/linux device production networking?

2006-06-07 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
On 6/7/06, Peter Dambier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The installation, a nuclear bunker, used to house some websites and services. (And an XTC-lab :) Ah, I sometimes wonder about how people get the idea of deploying alternate roots. Then I see that email from Peter and it all becomes blindingl

Re: 2006.06.05 NANOG-NOTES BGP tools BOF notes

2006-06-07 Thread Bruno Quoitin
Matthew Petach wrote: Q: Randy Bush. Common problem we all face. I'm at 42 peering points; my neighbors are X. I have route views dumps, I have my BGP dumps. I have my netflow data. Want a whatifatron that shows what happens to my traffic if depeer someone, or add someone, or peer with SingT

Re: Zebra/linux device production networking?

2006-06-07 Thread william(at)elan.net
On Wed, 7 Jun 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First, a little background.. My CTO made my stomach curdle today when he announced that he wanted to do away with all our cisco [routers] and instead use Linux/zebra boxen. We are a small company, so naturally penny pinching is the primary motivation

Re: ipv6 @ sprint, somebody home?

2006-06-07 Thread bmanning
On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 07:38:51PM -0400, Jared Mauch wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 06, 2006 at 09:45:18PM +0200, Jeroen Massar wrote: > > And http://www.sprintv6.net/ doesn't contain any contact info before you > > say "google" it. Then again the following url clearly shows their > > 'interrest' http:/

Re: Zebra/linux device production networking?

2006-06-07 Thread Peter Dambier
Nick Burke wrote: Greetings fellow nanogers, How many of you have actually use(d) Zebra/Linux as a routing device (core and/or regional, I'd be interested in both) in a production (read: 99.999% required, hsrp, bgp, dot1q, other goodies) environment? Just have a look for MTU. If you

2006.06.06 NANOG-NOTES network-level spam behaviour

2006-06-07 Thread Matthew Petach
2006.06.06 Nick Feamster, Network-level spam behaviour [slides are at: http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0606/pdf/nick-feamster.pdf Spam unsolicited commercial email feb 2005, 90% of all email is spam common filtering techniques are content based DNS balcklist queries are significant fraction of DNS tra

RE: Zebra/linux device production networking?

2006-06-07 Thread Michael . Dillon
> I would be interested to know how many "software" (for want of a better > description) routers are in live production in this kind of environment > i.e. the 99.% Uptime variety, from speaking to people albeit > randomly in data centres it would seem to be more common than one might > expect.

2006.06.06 NANOG-NOTES DNS reflector attacks

2006-06-07 Thread Matthew Petach
(I was going to try to get all the notes from today's panels out before going to bed, but I fell asleep on my keyboard finishing up these notes, so I think I'm going to wait and send the batch of Tuesday and Wednesday notes out after things wrap up on Wednesday. Sorry about the delay, but I need

Re: Zebra/linux device production networking?

2006-06-07 Thread Michael . Dillon
> First, a little background.. > My CTO made my stomach curdle today when he announced that he wanted to > do away with all our cisco [routers] and instead use Linux/zebra boxen. > We are a small company, so naturally penny pinching is the primary > motivation. It is primarily small companies tha

Re: Phantom packet loss is being shown when using pathping in connection with asynchronous routing - although there is no real loss.

2006-06-07 Thread Michael . Dillon
> The only part that I don't get is that you can mtr to him without > packetloss. Although the path in-between may be different, the final hop > packetloss should exactly equal what he sees when mtring you. A round-trip > is a round-trip, and results should be identical regardless of who >

Re: ipv6 @ sprint, somebody home?

2006-06-07 Thread Pierfrancesco Caci
:-> "Jeroen" == Jeroen Massar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: host kay.sprintlink.net[199.0.233.8] said: 553 5.3.0 > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... User Unknown (in reply to RCPT TO command) > It's must be 6/6/6 that it ain't working. I guess they are scared that >