Re: Network Level Content Blocking (UK) for people who cant be bothered to read the article..

2007-06-08 Thread Alexander Harrowell
On 6/7/07, Leigh Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since only port 80 is passed through the filter then of course there are all manor of things you could do to circumvent the filter and this will of course always be the case as people will use whatever they can to get what they want. After all,

Re: Network Level Content Blocking (UK) for people who cant be bothered to read the article..

2007-06-08 Thread Leigh Porter
Alexander Harrowell wrote: On 6/7/07, Leigh Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since only port 80 is passed through the filter then of course there are all manor of things you could do to circumvent the filter and this will of course always be the case as people will use whatever they can to get

Re: Network Level Content Blocking (UK)

2007-06-08 Thread Simon Waters
On Thursday 07 June 2007 23:15, Deepak Jain wrote: I can't imagine this would fly in the US. Such systems have already been ruled unconstitutional in the US. -- The Home Office Minister has already said he expects it in place, thats not far from a precondition of operation. We are kind

Re: Network Level Content Blocking (UK) for people who cant be bothered to read the article..

2007-06-08 Thread Leigh Porter
ssshhh David Freedman wrote: Its too late, you've already admitted that the data exists and can be captured. This is always where it starts... Dave. Leigh Porter wrote: Alexander Harrowell wrote: On 6/7/07, Leigh Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since only port 80 is passed

Re: Network Level Content Blocking (UK) for people who cant be bothered to read the article..

2007-06-08 Thread David Freedman
Its too late, you've already admitted that the data exists and can be captured. This is always where it starts... Dave. Leigh Porter wrote: Alexander Harrowell wrote: On 6/7/07, Leigh Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since only port 80 is passed through the filter then of course

Re: Network Level Content Blocking (UK) for people who cant be bothered to read the article..

2007-06-08 Thread Alexander Harrowell
On 6/8/07, Leigh Porter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually removed the code in Squid that logs so it's impossible to log without significant development work ;-) -- Leigh Porter Internet governance by benevolent conspiracy:-)

RE: Network Level Content Blocking (UK) for people who cant be bothered to read the article..

2007-06-08 Thread michael.dillon
Have you been asked by the Dibble for the squid's server log yet? It's the obvious next step - if you had a URL request blocked, obviously you were where you shouldn't have been. You're either with us...or you're with the terrorists. If this website blocking is voluntary and if your goal

Re: Network Level Content Blocking (UK) for people who cant be bothered to read the article..

2007-06-08 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 8-jun-2007, at 12:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In this case I would suggest that it is in ISPs best interests to get involved with network content blocking, so that ISPs collectively become deep experts on the subject. We are then in a position to modify these

Re: Network Level Content Blocking (UK) for people who cant be bothered to read the article..

2007-06-08 Thread Adrian Chadd
On Fri, Jun 08, 2007, David Freedman wrote: Its too late, you've already admitted that the data exists and can be captured. This is always where it starts... The logging code in release versions of Squid is pretty horrible and won't handle the loads modern ISPs will put under it. You

The Cidr Report

2007-06-08 Thread cidr-report
This report has been generated at Fri Jun 8 21:50:57 2007 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of an AS4637 (Reach) router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org/as4637 for a current version of this report. Recent Table

BGP Update Report

2007-06-08 Thread cidr-report
BGP Update Report Interval: 25-May-07 -to- 07-Jun-07 (14 days) Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS4637 TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS Rank ASNUpds % Upds/PfxAS-Name 1 - AS647861867 1.0% 56.0 -- ATT-INTERNET3 - ATT WorldNet Services 2 - AS9583

Re: Network Level Content Blocking (UK)

2007-06-08 Thread Florian Weimer
* Jeroen Massar: I wonder how this solves the, from what I found out, common situation that people rent cheap root servers in a country like Germany where they VPN into and thus have full access to everything. In Germany, the legal framework for filtering transit traffic already exists, so

Re: Network Level Content Blocking (UK) for people who cant be bothered to read the article..

2007-06-08 Thread Leigh Porter
Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: On 8-jun-2007, at 12:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In this case I would suggest that it is in ISPs best interests to get involved with network content blocking, so that ISPs collectively become deep experts on the subject. We are then in a

Re: Network Level Content Blocking (UK) for people who cant be bothered to read the article..

2007-06-08 Thread Adrian Chadd
On Fri, Jun 08, 2007, Leigh Porter wrote: It is quite odd really that governments want to implement something to prevent people from breaking a law. And some posts have been correct in asking what's next? Automatic copyright/patent infringing filtering? Obviously you've not paid much

Re: Network Level Content Blocking (UK) for people who cant be bothered to read the article..

2007-06-08 Thread Donald Stahl
This was a very curious experience. What they want to achieve is protecting children from abuse. This is of course a laudable goal. But they think they can do that by ridding the internet of images depicting said abuse. There are pretty strong laws against that in the Netherlands*, but this

Re: Network Level Content Blocking (UK) for people who cant be bothered to read the article..

2007-06-08 Thread Alexander Harrowell
Well, it seems to be a standard operating procedure that anyone in a high profile case gets accused of possessing child porn via anonymous leaks from the police to the national press. (See the Forest Gate incident - not only did they tear the guy's house apart looking for nonexistent chemical

Re: Network Level Content Blocking (UK) for people who cant be bothered to read the article..

2007-06-08 Thread Donald Stahl
It is quite odd really that governments want to implement something to prevent people from breaking a law. And some posts have been correct in asking what's next? Automatic copyright/patent infringing filtering? On that subject- we should probably change the language as well. Make it so that

Re: Network Level Content Blocking (UK) for people who cant be bothered to read the article..

2007-06-08 Thread Leigh Porter
Why did they even go for him in the fist place? Has anybody heard of operation Ore in the UK? It looks like a bit of a disaster, who would have thought that stolen credit Card details would have been used to buy illegal porn? -- Leigh Alexander Harrowell wrote: Well, it seems to be a

Re: Network Level Content Blocking (UK) for people who cant be bothered to read the article..

2007-06-08 Thread alex
On Fri, 8 Jun 2007, Donald Stahl wrote: The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding. -Judge Louis Brandeis snip I am not willing to give up any of my own liberties to protect children. We already have laws that