* Rodney Joffe:
Do you have any real examples of significant recursive servers doing
this?
nscd in GNU libc has issues related to cache expiry. I'm not sure if
it is general brokenness, or some TTL-related issue. It's use is not
terribly widespread, and it's a host-specific cache only, but
Howdy, I know with the trans-atlantic and trans-pacific
connectivity being what it is these days that getting reliable (i.e. low
latency 200, low packet loss 5% total round-trip) to countries such as AE
and others is kind of a shot in the dark. However, I wanted to ping the
On Aug 13, 2007, at 2:25 AM, Florian Weimer wrote:
* Rodney Joffe:
Do you have any real examples of significant recursive servers doing
this?
nscd in GNU libc has issues related to cache expiry. I'm not sure if
it is general brokenness, or some TTL-related issue. It's use is not
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, Rodney Joffe wrote:
On Aug 13, 2007, at 2:25 AM, Florian Weimer wrote:
* Rodney Joffe:
Do you have any real examples of significant recursive servers doing
this?
nscd in GNU libc has issues related to cache expiry. I'm not sure if
it is general
That's exactly the problem the goal of tasting is to collect pay
per click ad revenue...
Ten years ago the internet was for porn, now it's for
MLM/Affiliate/PPC scams. As long as we put up with companies abusing
the Internet as long as they are making a buck, they'll keep doing it.
The
Drew Weaver wrote:
Howdy, I know with the trans-atlantic and trans-pacific connectivity
being what it is these days that getting reliable (i.e. low latency
200, low packet loss 5% total round-trip) to countries such as AE
and others is kind of a “shot in the dark”. However, I wanted to
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, John C. A. Bambenek wrote:
That's exactly the problem the goal of tasting is to collect pay
per click ad revenue...
Ten years ago the internet was for porn, now it's for
MLM/Affiliate/PPC scams. As long as we put up with companies abusing
the Internet as long
The real way to get rid of tasting would be to persuade Google and
Yahoo/Overture to stop paying for clicks on pages with no content
other than ads, but that would be far too reasonable.
I don't see a practical way to enforce it.
I believe the Net is an unstable system that will eventually
On Aug 13, 2007, at 11:03 AM, Chris L. Morrow wrote:
So, to be clear folks want to make it much more difficult for
grandma-jones to return the typo'd: mygramdkids.com for
mygrandkids.com right?
Grandma will still need to make a payment for the domain. Grandma is
also unlikely to find
Chris L. Morrow wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, John C. A. Bambenek wrote:
That's exactly the problem the goal of tasting is to collect pay
per click ad revenue...
Ten years ago the internet was for porn, now it's for
MLM/Affiliate/PPC scams. As long as we put up with companies abusing
On Aug 13, 2007, at 11:03 AM, Chris L. Morrow wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, John C. A. Bambenek wrote:
That's exactly the problem the goal of tasting is to collect pay
per click ad revenue...
Ten years ago the internet was for porn, now it's for
MLM/Affiliate/PPC scams. As long as
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, Douglas Otis wrote:
On Aug 13, 2007, at 11:03 AM, Chris L. Morrow wrote:
So, to be clear folks want to make it much more difficult for
grandma-jones to return the typo'd: mygramdkids.com for
mygrandkids.com right?
Grandma will still need to make a payment for
Before we flame Sargun for posting useless non sense, I figured I
would throw my opinions in.
I have seen great international results with some of the carriers you
currently have, but if you are adding a fourth which areas are you
looking to benefit most? Transatlantic/transpacific? I would
Drew Weaver wrote:
How about to this IP?
62.150.200.10
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Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 1:58 PM
To: Drew Weaver
Cc: 'nanog@merit.edu'
Subject: Re: US transit providers with slightly better than average
International
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, Carl Karsten wrote:
So, to be clear folks want to make it much more difficult for
grandma-jones to return the typo'd: mygramdkids.com for mygrandkids.com
right?
Not just that, they want registrars to take a revenue cut.
I am assuming that
A. a registrar would
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, Steve Atkins wrote:
On Aug 13, 2007, at 11:03 AM, Chris L. Morrow wrote:
So, to be clear folks want to make it much more difficult for
grandma-jones to return the typo'd: mygramdkids.com for
mygrandkids.com
right?
If grandma-jones orders custom stationery and
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, Chris L. Morrow wrote:
but today that provision is: If you buy a domain you have 5 days to
'return' it. The reason behind the return could be: oops, I typo'd or
hurray, please refund me for the 1M domains I bought 4.99 days ago!. The
'protect the consumer' problem is what's
but today that provision is: If you buy a domain you have 5 days to
'return' it. The reason behind the return could be: oops, I typo'd
Fine, I don't recall that being the case previously so somone thought
to introduce it
hurray, please refund me for the 1M domains I bought 4.99 days ago!.
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, Sean Donelan wrote:
Do people really not plan that far ahead, that they need brand new domain
names to be active (not just reserved) within seconds?
I'm really not sure, but I can imagine a slew of issues where 'marketting'
doesn't plan properly and corp-ID/corp-branding
Chris L. Morrow wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, Steve Atkins wrote:
On Aug 13, 2007, at 11:03 AM, Chris L. Morrow wrote:
So, to be clear folks want to make it much more difficult for
grandma-jones to return the typo'd: mygramdkids.com for
mygrandkids.com
right?
If grandma-jones orders custom
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, William Herrin wrote:
Chris,
Suggestion B in ICANN's information request was:
making the ICANN annual transaction fee (currently 0.20 USD per year)
apply to names deleted during the [5-day Add Grace Period],
Wouldn't this essentially end the bad-behavior domain
Do people really not plan that far ahead, that they
need brand new domain names to be active (not just
reserved) within seconds?
I can say from my experience working in a web development environment,
yes. I can recall several cases where we needed to get a domain online
quickly for one
Please tag me off-list, also if anyone knows of any way to reach anyone there
please let me know.
Thanks,
-Drew
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:52:37 -, Chris L. Morrow said:
I'm really not sure, but I can imagine a slew of issues where 'marketting'
doesn't plan properly and corp-ID/corp-branding end up trying to register
and make-live a domain at the 11th hour...
Failure to plan ahead on your part doesn't
Barry Shein wrote:
On August 13, 2007 at 10:11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Douglas Otis) wrote:
On Aug 12, 2007, at 6:41 AM, John Levine wrote:
The problems with domain tasting more affect web users, with vast
number of typosquat parking pages flickering in and out of existence.
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:52:37 -, Chris L. Morrow said:
I'm really not sure, but I can imagine a slew of issues where 'marketting'
doesn't plan properly and corp-ID/corp-branding end up trying to register
and make-live a domain at the 11th
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, Carl Karsten wrote:
Assuming a change takes place (which I doubt, but will ignore) I bet a
small non refundable fee (like $1) would drastically reduce the problem.
A agree that somehow you have to increase the cost to the 'tasters'
without hurting joe-six-pack. I think
On Aug 13, 2007, at 1:32 PM, Justin Scott wrote:
Usually it revolves around the
marketing department not being in-touch with the rest of the
company and
the wrong/misspelled domain name ends up in a print/radio/tv ad
that is
about to go to thousands of people and cannot be changed.
Yes, if grandma ordered a sign printed one way, and proofread it, and agreed
to pay for it, and the printer printed it, then the printer is normally
going to want money to make another different sign. If grandma, or anyone
else, orders a domain, and confirms that's the domain they want, and get's
Or perhaps domains can be on-line instantly for a $100 non-refundable rush
fee, or be cheaper and more refundable if you don't mind waiting longer
(long enough to fix the tasting issues) And yes, I suppose ICANN or similar
would have to collect or mandate the costs for it to affect all areas of
At 4:32 PM -0400 8/13/07, Justin Scott wrote:
Do people really not plan that far ahead, that they
need brand new domain names to be active (not just
reserved) within seconds?
I can say from my experience working in a web development environment,
yes. I can recall several cases where we
On Aug 13, 2007, at 2:06 PM, Chris L. Morrow wrote:
why don't the equivalent 'domain tasters' on the phone side exploit
the ability to sign
up 1-8XX numbers like mad and send the calls to their ad-music call
centers?
1. Maybe they do.
;
2. People tend to be much more
On Aug 13, 2007, at 4:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:52:37 -, Chris L. Morrow said:
I'm really not sure, but I can imagine a slew of issues where
'marketting'
doesn't plan properly and corp-ID/corp-branding end up trying to
register
and make-live a domain at
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There's a case to be made that a policy which results in
organizations registering and owning domain names which are close to
the intended domain anme but represent a common typographical
transition
Carl Karsten wrote:
That is, if you extend domains on credit w/o any useful accountability
of the buyer and this results in a pattern of criminality then the
liability for that fraud should be shared by the seller.
I am not sure tasting is criminal or fraud.
You got what you ordered. You
Ken Eddings wrote:
At 4:32 PM -0400 8/13/07, Justin Scott wrote:
Do people really not plan that far ahead, that they
need brand new domain names to be active (not just
reserved) within seconds?
I can say from my experience working in a web development environment,
yes. I can recall several
How about Telia or T Systems or PCCW?
All of those carriers are worthy of scrutiny.
Roderick S. Beck
Director of EMEA Sales
Hibernia Atlantic
1, Passage du Chantier, 75012 Paris
http://www.hiberniaatlantic.com
Wireless: 1-212-444-8829.
Landline: 33-1-4346-3209
AOL Messenger: GlobalBandwidth
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I was just struck by a couple of statistics:
[snip]
In January 2007, according to PIR five registrars deleted 1,773,910 domain
names during the grace period and retained 10,862. That same month,
VeriSign reported that among top ten registrars, 95%
J Bacher wrote:
Carl Karsten wrote:
That is, if you extend domains on credit w/o any useful accountability
of the buyer and this results in a pattern of criminality then the
liability for that fraud should be shared by the seller.
I am not sure tasting is criminal or fraud.
You got what
On Aug 13, 2007, at 2:01 PM, Carl Karsten wrote:
I am not sure tasting is criminal or fraud.
Tracking domain related crime is hindered by the millions of domains
registered daily for domain tasting. Unregistered domains likely
to attract errant lookups will not vary greatly from
On 8/14/07, Carl Karsten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That doesn't make anything criminal or fraud any more than free samples. If a
registrar wants to give a refund, I don't see anything wrong with that.
As John Levine once said - its like running a wholesale ketchup
business by picking up all
That doesn't make anything criminal or fraud any more than free
samples. If a
registrar wants to give a refund, I don't see anything wrong with that.
It is certainly fraud to take an entire pile of free samples. Domain tasting
is more like buying a plasma TV to watch the big game and then
Douglas Otis wrote:
On Aug 13, 2007, at 2:01 PM, Carl Karsten wrote:
I am not sure tasting is criminal or fraud.
Tracking domain related crime is hindered by the millions of domains
registered daily for domain tasting. Unregistered domains likely to
attract errant lookups will not vary
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, Douglas Otis wrote:
On Aug 13, 2007, at 2:01 PM, Carl Karsten wrote:
I am not sure tasting is criminal or fraud.
Tracking domain related crime is hindered by the millions of domains
registered daily for domain tasting. Unregistered domains likely
to attract
On Aug 14, 2007, at 12:19 AM, Paul Ferguson wrote:
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I was just struck by a couple of statistics:
[snip]
In January 2007, according to PIR five registrars deleted 1,773,910
domain
names during the grace period and retained 10,862. That same
On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, David Schwartz wrote:
That doesn't make anything criminal or fraud any more than free
samples. If a
registrar wants to give a refund, I don't see anything wrong with that.
It is certainly fraud to take an entire pile of free samples. Domain tasting
is more like
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