[funsec] The Great IPv6 experiment (fwd)

2007-09-04 Thread Gadi Evron
I am unsure what to say. -- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 11:14:34 +0200 From: Lubomir Kundrak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: funsec [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [funsec] The Great IPv6 experiment This is kind of... interesting. [snip] We're taking 10 gigabytes of the

Re: [funsec] The Great IPv6 experiment (fwd)

2007-09-04 Thread Petri Helenius
Gadi Evron wrote: I am unsure what to say. The idea is quite old and I'm happy to see that what started and continued as a joke is actually being tried out to see if it would really work. Hope they get it up and running soon. Pete -- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 04

Re: Congestion control train-wreck workshop at Stanford: Call for Demos

2007-09-04 Thread Tony Finch
On Mon, 3 Sep 2007, Sean Donelan wrote: Operators are probably more interested in the fairness part of congestion than the efficiency part of congestion. TCP's idea of fairness is a bit weird. Shouldn't it be per-user, not per-flow? Tony. -- f.a.n.finch [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dotat.at/

Re: Congestion control train-wreck workshop at Stanford: Call for Demos

2007-09-04 Thread Stephen Stuart
On Mon, 3 Sep 2007, Sean Donelan wrote: Operators are probably more interested in the fairness part of congestion than the efficiency part of congestion. TCP's idea of fairness is a bit weird. Shouldn't it be per-user, not per-flow? How would you define user in that context? Stephen

Re: Congestion control train-wreck workshop at Stanford: Call for Demos

2007-09-04 Thread Tony Finch
On Tue, 4 Sep 2007, Stephen Stuart wrote: On Mon, 3 Sep 2007, Tony Finch wrote: On Mon, 3 Sep 2007, Sean Donelan wrote: Operators are probably more interested in the fairness part of congestion than the efficiency part of congestion. TCP's idea of fairness is a bit weird.

Re: Congestion control train-wreck workshop at Stanford: Call for Demos

2007-09-04 Thread Sean Donelan
On Tue, 4 Sep 2007, Stephen Stuart wrote: Operators are probably more interested in the fairness part of congestion than the efficiency part of congestion. TCP's idea of fairness is a bit weird. Shouldn't it be per-user, not per-flow? How would you define user in that context? Operators

shameful-cabling gallery of infamy - does anybody know where it went?

2007-09-04 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
http://gallery.colofinder.net/shameful-cabling had a great collection of What not to do photos, but it has apparently evaporated in the mists of time. Anybody know if it's at a new location, or is the Wayback Machine my only hope? (ISTR it also had an adjacent cabling done right gallery - does

Re: Congestion control train-wreck workshop at Stanford: Call forDemos

2007-09-04 Thread Christian Kuhtz
And given that it is travelling between users who may or may not have trust established between them and intermediate systems which may or may not have trust established with each other or the endpoints, we got ourselves a bit of a pickle here. And trust is far bigger than trust in a security

Re: Congestion control train-wreck workshop at Stanford: Call forDemos

2007-09-04 Thread Christian Kuhtz
Lmao. Thanks, Sean, I just snorted my cup of freshly brewed coffee. Ouch. :-) --Original Message-- From: Sean Donelan Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stephen Stuart Cc: nanog Sent: Sep 4, 2007 10:30 AM Subject: Re: Congestion control train-wreck workshop at Stanford: Call forDemos On

Re: Congestion control train-wreck workshop at Stanford: Call for Demos

2007-09-04 Thread Fred Baker
On Sep 3, 2007, at 6:44 PM, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: More seriously -- the question is whether new services will cause operator congestion problems that today's mechanisms don't handle. and, it includes the questions of what operators will be willing to deploy. One of the questions on the

Re: [funsec] The Great IPv6 experiment (fwd)

2007-09-04 Thread Deepak Jain
Crap. Now people are going to start asking if the ipv6 platform does ipv6 forwarding in hardware or software. :| DJ Petri Helenius wrote: Gadi Evron wrote: I am unsure what to say. The idea is quite old and I'm happy to see that what started and continued as a joke is actually being