Re: Why do some ISP's have bandwidth quotas?

2007-10-07 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Mon, 8 Oct 2007, Mark Newton wrote: Thought experiment: With $250 per megabit per month transit and $30 - $50 per month tail costs, what would _you_ do to create the perfect internet industry? I would fix the problem, ie get more competition into these two areas where the prices are obv

Re: Why do some ISP's have bandwidth quotas?

2007-10-07 Thread Randy Bush
> AU's infrastructure has a long been a quagmire of political fumbling and > organised chaos. hey, i thought it was great of you folk to take joe nacio, convicted felon, off our hands. randy

Re: Why do some ISP's have bandwidth quotas?

2007-10-07 Thread Adrian Chadd
On Mon, Oct 08, 2007, Martin Barry wrote: > > At a certain point, the deployment cost of your telco network is covered, > > and it is no longer reasonable to be paying $50/line/month for mere access > > to the copper. > > nice rhetoric. can you come and convince our politicians of that? > I th

Re: Why do some ISP's have bandwidth quotas?

2007-10-07 Thread Martin Barry
$quoted_author = "Joe Greco" ; > > The real problem is the ability of users to adopt new killer apps. This > eventually breaks down to issues of "how long is it reasonable for users > to fund that shiny telco network at $50/line/month" and things like that, > because rather than solving the prob

Re: Why do some ISP's have bandwidth quotas?

2007-10-07 Thread Mark Newton
On Sun, Oct 07, 2007 at 10:33:19AM -0500, Joe Greco wrote: > Well, since I didn't insist that you follow any definition of "reasonable", > and in fact I started out by saying > > : Continued reliance on broadband users using tiny percentages of their > : broadband connection certainly makes

Re: Why do some ISP's have bandwidth quotas?

2007-10-07 Thread Joe Greco
> > > Comparative to Milwaukee, I'd be guessing delivering high performance > > > internet and making enough money to fund expansion and eat is harder at > > > a non US ISP. It's harder, but there's nothing wrong with it. It compels > > > you to get inventive. > > > > The costs to provide DSL up

Re: Why do some ISP's have bandwidth quotas?

2007-10-07 Thread Joe Greco
> On Sat, Oct 06, 2007, Joe Greco wrote: > > However, it is equally possible that there'll be some newfangled killer > > app that comes along. At some point, this will present a problem. All > > the self-justification in the world will not matter when the customers > > want to be able to do som