Joe
How many E1 customers can I plug into that device? You can take a cross section
on this issue at various points.
Think of the huge (sub RSP8) 7500 estates still in production, GSR Engine 5,
7609 RSP720 and Flexwan1 and I think the early Juniper boxes - that can cope
with todays size of
Very interesting interview of an Hollywood consultant (and former FBI
agent) about the facts in the movie 'Untraceable'. Among the many
technical details, I note:
Q: Any other elements in the movie the naysayers may call you and
the writers out on as being technically inaccurate?
A: The IP
On Sun, 20 Jan 2008, Tom Vest wrote:
Let's hear it for some of them. Let's give it to some of the others.
Yep, I was just commenting on the tendency of folks to personalize heroes
and villians.
There were probably lots of different factors and people involved in
both the Australian and
On Sun, January 20, 2008 11:40 pm, Andy Davidson wrote:
Thanks to the pricing model imposed on last-mile connectivity imposed
by the incumbent, it costs an ISP US$471/Mbit to send data to my
customer[1]. Maybe the same data that's just come all the way from Oz
through my transit for US$10.
On Jan 21, 2008, at 6:50 AM, Roderick Beck wrote:
I didn't find that very convincing. Overspending on infrastructure
does not force prices up or raise long term costs.
Excess capacity leads to prices falling in telecom and every other
market.
Basic economics.
Maybe we should go a
On 21 Jan 2008, at 01:43, Martin Barry wrote:
$quoted_author = Andy Davidson ;
.. think about what happens when your customers' routes start
appearing
through your MLP session as well.
Standard practice would be to localpref customer routes over peering
routes.[...] The customer's
OK, I give and admit my ignorance. What does MLP mean in this
context ?
A google search for Australia mlp reveals many hits for My Little
Pony,
which somehow I doubt is the intended meaning on this list.
A proper reference would be appreciated.
Regards
Marshall
On Jan 21, 2008, at
On 21 Jan 2008, at 14:02, Marshall Eubanks wrote:
OK, I give and admit my ignorance. What does MLP mean in this
context ?
A google search for Australia mlp reveals many hits for My Little
Pony,
which somehow I doubt is the intended meaning on this list.
Smile...
Here it stands for
On Mon, Jan 21, 2008, Marshall Eubanks wrote:
OK, I give and admit my ignorance. What does MLP mean in this
context ?
A google search for Australia mlp reveals many hits for My Little
Pony,
which somehow I doubt is the intended meaning on this list.
A proper reference would be
And DFZ yields either Duty Free Zone or the ticker symbol for
Rg Barry Corp. It took me two weeks to figure out PI (Provider
Independent, related to address assignments by a registry.)
The FAQ has no mention of a glossary, but it needs to.
Dale, AS 26424
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tony Finch) writes:
Not to start a debate but I've used OpenDNS since last year and been
VERY happy with it
It's fine if you don't mind your DNS server lying to you.
i was told that if one opts out of the nxdomain remapping service, opendns
behaves normally (no
On 21 Jan 2008 19:36:04 +, Paul Vixie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tony Finch) writes:
Not to start a debate but I've used OpenDNS since last year and been
VERY happy with it
It's fine if you don't mind your DNS server lying to you.
i was told that if one
Is this story relevant?
Undersea cable to slash Aust broadband costs
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2objectid=10486793
They seem have the sales angle all locked up.
Frank
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FWIW..
http://nanog.cluepon.net/index.php/NANOG_Glossary
=JeffH
You're right, the major cost isn't the bandwidth (at least the in the U.S.),
but the current technologies (cable modem, DSL, and wireless) are thoroughly
asymmetric, and high upstreams kill the performance of the first and third.
In the shorter-term, it's cheaper to find some way to minimize
For example, the Cisco 3750G has all of features except for the
ability to hold 300k+ prefixes. Per CDW, the 48-port version costs
$10k, so the difference (ergo cost attributable to prefix count) is
$40k-$10k=$30k, or 75%.
Unfortunately, I have to run real packets through a real
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008, Joe Greco wrote:
Given that the 3750 is not acceptable, then what exactly would you propose
for a 48 port multigigabit router, capable of wirespeed, that does /not/
hold a 300K+ prefix table? All we need is a model number and a price, and
then we can substitute it into
$quoted_author = Andy Davidson ;
I'm really happy for you to sell me some transit as long as I can peer with
you over MLP as well. Small commit. I agree to give you some of my
prefixes over the paid session, but I'm going to put all of my routes and
my customer's routes on the MLP.
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008, Frank Bulk wrote:
You're right, the major cost isn't the bandwidth (at least the in the U.S.),
but the current technologies (cable modem, DSL, and wireless) are thoroughly
asymmetric, and high upstreams kill the performance of the first and third.
There are symmetric
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008, Joe Greco wrote:
Given that the 3750 is not acceptable, then what exactly would you propose
for a 48 port multigigabit router, capable of wirespeed, that does /not/
hold a 300K+ prefix table? All we need is a model number and a price, and
then we can substitute it
On 21/01/2008, at 10:49 PM, Tom Vest wrote:
In the absence of competition (and esp. in the presence of risk of
empowering competitive entrants), supply has no general/necessary
effect on prices at all.
So excess capacity of a product that is completely monopolized (or
priced by cartel
Wouldn#39;t a reasonable approach be to take the sum of a 6500/msfc2 and a
2851, and assume that the routing computation could be offloaded?
The difficulty I have with this discussion is that the cost per prefix is zero
until you need to change eigenstate, where there#39;s a big cost, and then
There are symmetric versions for all of those. But ever
since the dialup days (e.g. 56Kbps modems had slower reverse
direction) consumers have shown a preference for a bigger
number on the box, even if it meant giving up bandwidth in
the one direction.
For example, how many people
On Jan 21, 2008 5:26 PM, Jon Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If using the 7600/3bxl as the cost basis of the upgrade, you might as
well compare it to the 6500/7600/sup2 or sup3b. Either of these would
likely be what people buying the 3bxls are upgrading from, in some cases
just because of DFZ
On Jan 21, 2008, at 6:10 PM, Mark Newton wrote:
On 21/01/2008, at 10:49 PM, Tom Vest wrote:
In the absence of competition (and esp. in the presence of risk of
empowering competitive entrants), supply has no general/necessary
effect on prices at all.
So excess capacity of a product that
Your points about the marketing and usage value of higher asymmetric is
right on. Not only are the higher numbers attractive, they generally
reflect a residential subscriber's usage pattern (there are some on this
listserv who have pointed out that those with very high symmetrical speeds,
100
Which of the telecom service providers is moaning about being a provider?
This conversation started with Time Warner's metered trial, and they aren't
doing it in response to people complaining -- I'm pretty sure there was a
financial/marketing motive here.
There are some subscribers who complain
I think a rate limited plan would appeal to most customers as it would
give them a fixed monthly budget item. But I am pretty sure this will
not happen in the US based on experiences with the broadband by cell
providers who prefer a 'bill-by-byte' method with no mechanism to stop
loss in
On 22/01/2008, at 10:21 AM, Tom Vest wrote:
On Jan 21, 2008, at 6:10 PM, Mark Newton wrote:
It goes a bit deeper than that when the monopoly can compound the
problem my artificially constraining capacity by underspending on
infrastructure (e.g., only lighting one pair on a multi-pair cable)
On Jan 21, 2008, at 8:20 PM, Roderick Beck wrote:
Tom,
With all due respect, what are you trying to say in simple, clear
English?
It is plain wrong to claim the DWDM can explain today's prices on
the Atlantic
Is it? Sorry, how do you explain it then? An unanticipated/
undiscounted
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008, William Herrin wrote:
Hmm. Well, the secondary market is flooded with sup2's right now, with
the card at sub-$1k prices and with a 6500+sup2 in the $5k range.
There isn't really a comparable availability of the sup720-3bxl
although eBay does have a few listed in the $12k
Here it stands for Multilateral peering, so in simplistic terms it
means you peer with everyone at an exchange. A route server.
My issue isn't that they exist (and in fact one network I maintain is
a member of three MLPs.) The issue is compelling people to join the
MLP. This dissuades
On Jan 21, 2008, at 9:53 PM, Mark Newton wrote:
On 22/01/2008, at 10:21 AM, Tom Vest wrote:
On Jan 21, 2008, at 6:10 PM, Mark Newton wrote:
It goes a bit deeper than that when the monopoly can compound the
problem my artificially constraining capacity by underspending on
infrastructure
Tom Vest wrote:
So if they don't have a billion or so dollars stored away somewhere,
they're
selling below replacement value.
With very few exceptions there's no they; the old they is gone, the
new they didn't take over until fairly recently, didn't bankroll the
original construction, and
On Tue, 22 Jan 2008, Mark Newton wrote:
That means unlimited ISPs almost exclusively attract the
most voracious, least profitable, noisiest, most difficult
to support, loudest complaining customers. And the metered
ISPs cater for normal folks who aren't like that.
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