Re: Sicily to Egypt undersea cable disruption

On Fri, Feb 01, 2008 at 10:56:26PM +, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: > On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:42:02 - > "Rod Beck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well, when you have all these cables running through narrow straits > > or converging to the same stretch of beach, it does not strike me as > > at al

Re: Sicily to Egypt undersea cable disruption

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - -- Steven M. Bellovin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I hope you're right. As I noted, by profession I'm paranoid. I've >even contemplated the uses of deliberate cable cuts; see >http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb/papers/reroute.pdf for some thoughts >f

Re: Sicily to Egypt undersea cable disruption

George William Herbert wrote: And, significantly, AQ would benefit from a telecommunications (and other things) disconnect from the West to the Middle East, in both tactical and strategic senses. Funny, I was thinking the same thing about the Pentagon...

Re: Sicily to Egypt undersea cable disruption

On Feb 2, 2008, at 8:56 AM, George William Herbert wrote: However, despite the "attractive target" angle of what got busted, and the proximity of the breaks to Islamic Terrorist problem spots, I don't see a statistical or evidentiary case made that these were anything but the usual occasional

Re: Sicily to Egypt undersea cable disruption

>Actually, last year, Scotland Yard claimed Al Qaeda planned on >blowing up one of the Telehouse facilities in the UK And, significantly, AQ would benefit from a telecommunications (and other things) disconnect from the West to the Middle East, in both tactical and strategic senses. However, d

Re: Another cablecut - sri lanka to suez Re: Sicily to Egypt undersea cable disruption

: bubba driving his backhoe ship Now that'd make a great NANOG shirt! :-) scott --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: "Suresh Ramasubramanian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Steven M. Bellovin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Scott Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Another cable

Re: Another cablecut - sri lanka to suez Re: Sicily to Egypt undersea cable disruption

On Feb 2, 2008 4:07 AM, Steven M. Bellovin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yah. I'm a security guy, and hence suspicious by nature -- our slogan > is "Paranoia is our Profession" -- and I'm getting very concerned. The > old saying comes to mind: "once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, > but th

Re: Another cablecut - sri lanka to suez Re: Sicily to Egypt undersea cable disruption

On Fri, 1 Feb 2008, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: Yah. I'm a security guy, and hence suspicious by nature -- our slogan is "Paranoia is our Profession" -- and I'm getting very concerned. The old saying comes to mind: "once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, but the third time is enemy action".

Re: Another cablecut - sri lanka to suez Re: Sicily to Egypt undersea cable disruption

More productively, there are real concerns with the cable routing around India and Pakistan. Connections across Egypt have geographical constraints that are probably more significant than the political ones, but having most of the connectivity into western India going into Mumbai and not Cochin o

Re: Another cablecut - sri lanka to suez Re: Sicily to Egypt undersea cable disruption

On Feb 1, 2008 2:37 PM, Steven M. Bellovin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > (either that, or the backhoe operators' union has decided there's > > better money to be made on water than on land.) Guys named Bubba can get fishing licenses just as easily as backhoe drivers' licenses. One of my customer

Re: Sicily to Egypt undersea cable disruption

Hi Michael: On Feb 1, 2008 6:44 PM, Michael Painter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Here's at least one: > > http://www.ofcc.com/procedures.htm Yes, this is the idea. My experience is that fisherman coops, similar to this one for network operators, are contacted during the desk top study "DTS"

Re: Sicily to Egypt undersea cable disruption

RE: Sicily to Egypt undersea cable disruption - Original Message - From: Rod Beck Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 12:42 PM Subject: RE: Sicily to Egypt undersea cable disruption Well, when you have all these cables running through narrow straits or converging to the same stretch of be

RE: Sicily to Egypt undersea cable disruption

RodBeck said: >Telecommunication facilities have rarely been targets of terrorism. There is only one known case - the Tamil Tigers destroyed a central office in Sri Lanka some years back. My guess is that terrorists want to kill people, not destroy optical muxes, >Class 5 switches, and the like.

RE: Sicily to Egypt undersea cable disruption

Telecommunication facilities have rarely been targets of terrorism. There is only one known case - the Tamil Tigers destroyed a central office in Sri Lanka some years back. My guess is that terrorists want to kill people, not destroy optical muxes, Class 5 switches, and the like. And the under

Re: Sicily to Egypt undersea cable disruption

On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 23:07:16 - "Rod Beck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Steve, > > TransAtlantic cables average three repairs a year. That's the > industry average. So given 7 high capacity cable systems, that's 21 > repairs a year. > > Now, not all damaged cables go out of service. In f

RE: Sicily to Egypt undersea cable disruption

Hi Steve, TransAtlantic cables average three repairs a year. That's the industry average. So given 7 high capacity cable systems, that's 21 repairs a year. Now, not all damaged cables go out of service. In fact, most stay in service until the repair begins. But the public rarely hears about

RE: Sicily to Egypt undersea cable disruption

Martin Hannigan wrote: > On Feb 1, 2008 2:25 PM, Ahmed Maged (amaged) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >> "Does look normal to me" is far from a global conspiracy theory. >> >> >> Thank you for the translation but I think you got it wrong. >> > > > I agree, there should be a sanity chec

Re: Sicily to Egypt undersea cable disruption

On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 22:42:02 - "Rod Beck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, when you have all these cables running through narrow straits > or converging to the same stretch of beach, it does not strike me as > at all extraordinary. > But they aren't near each other. http://www.nytimes.com

RE: Sicily to Egypt undersea cable disruption

Well, when you have all these cables running through narrow straits or converging to the same stretch of beach, it does not strike me as at all extraordinary. An important factor is cooperation. Is there cooperation between the fiber optic guys and fishing associations to minimize hits? I w

Re: Another cablecut - sri lanka to suez Re: Sicily to Egypt undersea cable disruption

On Feb 1, 2008 2:35 PM, Rod Beck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Not at all, there have been cables in the water since 1858 (first > TransAtlantic cable - telegraph). Right now there are 80 major cables out > there. > > Give yourself 170 years of undersea cables and calculate the odds. > > :)

RE: Another cablecut - sri lanka to suez Re: Sicily to Egypt undersea cable disruption

Not at all, there have been cables in the water since 1858 (first TransAtlantic cable - telegraph). Right now there are 80 major cables out there. Give yourself 170 years of undersea cables and calculate the odds. :) Roderick S. Beck Director of European Sales Hibernia Atlantic 1, Passage du

Re: Another cablecut - sri lanka to suez Re: Sicily to Egypt undersea cable disruption

On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:21:00 -0800 "Scott Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Feb 1, 2008 6:37 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/third-undersea-cable-reportedly-cut/story.aspx?guid={1AAB2A79-E983-4E0E-BC39-68A120DC16D9} >

Re: Sicily to Egypt undersea cable disruption

On Feb 1, 2008 2:25 PM, Ahmed Maged (amaged) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > "Does look normal to me" is far from a global conspiracy theory. > > > Thank you for the translation but I think you got it wrong. > I agree, there should be a sanity check as I understand that they are within close

Re: Another cablecut - sri lanka to suez Re: Sicily to Egypt undersea cable disruption

On Feb 1, 2008 6:37 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/third-undersea-cable-reportedly-cut/story.aspx?guid={1AAB2A79-E983-4E0E-BC39-68A120DC16D9} > > "We had another cut today between Dubai and Muscat three hours back. > The cable was a

Re: AAAAs in the Root and /48 Filtering

On 1 feb 2008, at 20:22, Scalzo, Frank wrote: I tried to gather as many of these blocks as I could find from the RIRs. Notably, I wasn't able to identify anything from AfriNIC -- hopefully someone on the list will be able to fill in that gap. Hope springs eternal... According to: http://w

Re: Another cablecut - sri lanka to suez Re: Sicily to Egypt undersea cable disruption

Dorn Hetzel wrote: perhaps my favorite magazine article of all time. . the original came with pictures . i tried the wayback machine, but could not find a version with them. :( i guess i should wget the great ones with pics before they

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Re: Another cablecut - sri lanka to suez Re: Sicily to Egypt undersea cable disruption

perhaps my favorite magazine article of all time. On Feb 1, 2008 1:13 PM, Randy Bush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Weight is a bigger issue than most people realize. > > perhaps folk would benefit from [re]reading Neal Stephenson's wonderful > classic bit of gonzo journalism in Wired, >

RE: Sicily to Egypt undersea cable disruption

Of course, we all know the Mossad (Israeli secret services) and CIA did it as part of the global conspiracy against the Middle East and Third World ... In recent years I have restrained myself, but from time to time the 'old Rod Beck' manages to evade the supervision of the Super Ego (presumably

Re: Another cablecut - sri lanka to suez Re: Sicily to Egypt undersea cable disruption

Weight is a bigger issue than most people realize. perhaps folk would benefit from [re]reading Neal Stephenson's wonderful classic bit of gonzo journalism in Wired, . randy

RE: Another cablecut - sri lanka to suez Re: Sicily to Egypt undersea cable disruption

-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Martin Hannigan Sent: Fri 2/1/2008 5:01 PM To: Steven M. Bellovin Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Another cablecut - sri lanka to suez Re: Sicily to Egypt undersea cable disruption On Feb 1, 2008 11:43 AM, Steven M. Bellovin <[EMA

Re: Another cablecut - sri lanka to suez Re: Sicily to Egypt undersea cable disruption

The Submarine Cable Improvement Group http://www.scig.net/ has plenty of details about trends in submarine cable damage and improvements in submarine cable protection.

Re: Another cablecut - sri lanka to suez Re: Sicily to Egypt undersea cable disruption

On Feb 1, 2008 11:43 AM, Steven M. Bellovin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There's an interesting article at > http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/technology/AP-Internet-Outages-Cables.html > on cable chokepoints. > "NEW YORK (AP) -- The lines that tie the globe together by carrying phone calls and In

Re: Another cablecut - sri lanka to suez Re: Sicily to Egypt undersea cable disruption

There's an interesting article at http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/technology/AP-Internet-Outages-Cables.html on cable chokepoints.

Re: Blackholing traffic by ASN

> wee! and for some extra fun, just append the bad-guy's ASN to your > route announcements, force bgp loop-detection to kill the traffic on > their end (presuming they don't default-route as well) Even more fun if you are not the only one filtering that ASN. :) Andras

Another cablecut - sri lanka to suez Re: Sicily to Egypt undersea cable disruption

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/third-undersea-cable-reportedly-cut/story.aspx?guid={1AAB2A79-E983-4E0E-BC39-68A120DC16D9} "We had another cut today between Dubai and Muscat three hours back. The cable was about 80G capacity, it had telephone, Internet data, everything," one Flag official,

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